Bitcoin core sucking up all the juices

[DYING_S0UL]

And look, I don't have a bad hardware: 16GB DDR4 RAM, 2TB SSD, Intel i7 11th Gen...
Right now, I'm running Bitcoin Core, and neither it nor other processes are crashing. Occasionally, it doesn't crash at all, I have a ton of processes open here.

I have never seen Bitcoin Core crashing on my system. The only issue was the slowness either because of my crap router or the speed.
Mine is 32GB Corsair DDR5, 1TB SSD (with Dram), AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUF TUF Gaming B850M Plus, Gigabyte Aorus Elite 850W 80 Plus Platinum, unfortunately no GPU (flexing a little  )

Sometimes the problem is the router.

The other day, I went to my mom's house and asked her to replace the router. She has a good and fast internet plan, but accessing websites and videos was very slow. So, the ISP replaced the router for free with a new one with 5G, and the entire slowdown issue was resolved.

Time to change it then!

This may seem funny, but sometimes when I'm facing issues with the speed, like damn slow as you described, I would just power on off my router a couple of times. And many times it worked..

[Satofan44]

And look, I don't have a bad hardware: 16GB DDR4 RAM, 2TB SSD, Intel i7 11th Gen...
Right now, I'm running Bitcoin Core, and neither it nor other processes are crashing. Occasionally, it doesn't crash at all, I have a ton of processes open here.

I have never seen Bitcoin Core crashing on my system. The only issue was the slowness either because of my crap router or the speed.
Mine is 32GB Corsair DDR5, 1TB SSD (with Dram), AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUF TUF Gaming B850M Plus, Gigabyte Aorus Elite 850W 80 Plus Platinum (flexing a little  )

It should never crash your system. If it does even occasionally it shows an intermittent software or hardware fault, so in your case that is a good sign. In the case of the other person it is not a good sign, but exploring that would be off topic. You have a pretty good system, you can definitely afford a decent router.  

It should suppprt QoS. I'll confirm it after I get back home.

No updates on any of this yet?

My apologies, I forgot about updating you. I didn't find any option named QoS in my router setting or maybe I was looking at the wrong place or it was named something else! So I asked ChatGPT whether my router (TP-Link wireless N router WR840N) supported QoS. It said it does but only the basics, rule based something, not anything advance.

That is a pretty old and budget solution, it may be the source of the problem. In any case you will reap some benefits from upgrading your router. I think that this model has not been updated in a long time unless the quick research that I did produced incorrect results. That itself is not a good sign. If you are not familiar with routers, I guess members here could help you pick depending on what is available. Just don't spend too much money, they can be quite expensive and have features which are important for you.

How are you connecting to your local ISP guy? Wired or wirelessly?

I should probably change my router now, it's quite old, and it doesn't even supports 5 GHz band. Nowadays all the routers comes with duel band support as well as advance control features.  

Actually many routers even support three bands now, and some even have band merging so you won't see 3 separate networks! 2.4, 5, and 6 GHz.

[LoyceV]

This may seem funny, but sometimes when I'm facing issues with the speed, like damn slow as you described, I would just power on off my router a couple of times. And many times it worked..

Back in the days when I had the crappy router, that was indeed be the first thing my ISP would tell me. At some point they even told me to regularly power cycle the damn thing, so "it wouldn't get full".
Your current hardware specs explain why Bitcoin Core is more demanding than your potato system. I notice my 16 GB is the bottleneck now, you won't have that problem.

For what it's worth: it's literally what Bitcoin Core warns you about when you first start it up:

The initial synchronisation is very demanding, and may expose hardware problems with your computer that had previously gone unnoticed.

I've seen many topics that relate to just hardware problems over the years.

[DYING_S0UL]

That is a pretty old and budget solution, it may be the source of the problem. In any case you will reap some benefits from upgrading your router. I think that this model has not been updated in a long time unless the quick research that I did produced incorrect results. That itself is not a good sign. If you are not familiar with routers, I guess members here could help you pick depending on what is available. Just don't spend too much money, they can be quite expensive and have features which are important for you.

How are you connecting to your local ISP guy? Wired or wirelessly?

Actually many routers even support three bands now, and some even have band merging so you won't see 3 separate networks! 2.4, 5, and 6 GHz.

I googled a bit, asked chatGPT, and according to them this particular model was released in 2015. Lol, I think I have been using a 10 year old crap!

Wired connection mate! We don't have StarLink or satellite here, LOL.

Wait what when did that happened? I have only seen duel band (2.4, 5 GHz) here at my place, even that it new to many people.

This may seem funny, but sometimes when I'm facing issues with the speed, like damn slow as you described, I would just power on off my router a couple of times. And many times it worked..

Back in the days when I had the crappy router, that was indeed be the first thing my ISP would tell me. At some point they even told me to regularly power cycle the damn thing, so "it wouldn't get full".
Your current hardware specs explain why Bitcoin Core is more demanding than your potato system. I notice my 16 GB is the bottleneck now, you won't have that problem.

For what it's worth: it's literally what Bitcoin Core warns you about when you first start it up:

The initial synchronisation is very demanding, and may expose hardware problems with your computer that had previously gone unnoticed.

I've seen many topics that relate to just hardware problems over the years.

Yup, I had a mess up recently, so I'm re-syncing everything from the start. So it might be one of those cases.

Note that, back in the days (1 year ago), when I ran the Bitcoin core using my potato laptop with the same shitty router, I never encountered this issue.


I'll let you guys know after 100% sync, whether this problems remains or not! Btw, it's still "jamming" everything when I run it.

[ABCbits]

So I asked ChatGPT whether my router (TP-Link wireless N router WR840N) supported QoS. It said it does but only the basics, rule based something, not anything advance.

ChatGPT probably give wrong information. I tried searching "qos" and "quality of service" on user guide for your router[1-2] with zero text result. So it's possible your modem doesn't even let you configure QoS at all.

And look, I don't have a bad hardware: 16GB DDR4 RAM, 2TB SSD, Intel i7 11th Gen...
Right now, I'm running Bitcoin Core, and neither it nor other processes are crashing. Occasionally, it doesn't crash at all, I have a ton of processes open here.

I have never seen Bitcoin Core crashing on my system. The only issue was the slowness either because of my crap router or the speed.
Mine is 32GB Corsair DDR5, 1TB SSD (with Dram), AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUF TUF Gaming B850M Plus, Gigabyte Aorus Elite 850W 80 Plus Platinum, unfortunately no GPU (flexing a little  )

Your system specification is great, which confirm my previous statement. Weird it doesn't have GPU, but integrated graphic on CPU these days is more than enough for watching high resolution video and even some old/online game.

[1] https://static.tp-link.com/res/down/doc/TL-WR840N_V1_UG.pdf
[2] https://static.tp-link.com/res/down/doc/TL-WR840N_V2_UG.pdf

[DYING_S0UL]

ChatGPT probably give wrong information. I tried searching "qos" and "quality of service" on user guide for your router[1-2] with zero text result. So it's possible your modem doesn't even let you configure QoS at all.

Your system specification is great, which confirm my previous statement. Weird it doesn't have GPU, but integrated graphic on CPU these days is more than enough for watching high resolution video and even some old/online game.

Yeah, thats pretty likely if we consider its release year, my guess it probably never came out with QoS support in the first place, if it were my router would have some settings to enable it but I didn't find any, unfortunately.

As for the GPU, well….. that's the obvious part, isn't it? I simply ran out of money! Anyway, I'm hoping to grab one next Friday.

At this moment, my budget only allows me this one (well balances with my current build): https://www.startech.com.bd/msi-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16g-shadow-2x-oc-plus-graphics-card

Sorry for going off topic a bit.

[DYING_S0UL]

Update:

I know It's a bit late to do that!

But here is the update. Nothing changed. My other devices still chokes to death when I run Bitcoin core. And the download progress has been very slow, feels like I'm moving at a tortoise's speed. But I guess that understandable, given my shitty crappy internet speed. Also I can't run it while I'm working. So I barely have any time to run it. Maybe like, a couple of hours each day, when I'm eating or reading a book or something.

So until I reach a 100%, there is no telling what the root cause of it (I guess). At least I couldn't figure it out. But thanks anyway to those, who tried to help, lend me their brains, I really appreciate it.  

[Satofan44]

Update:

I know It's a bit late to do that!

But here is the update. Nothing changed. My other devices still chokes to death when I run Bitcoin core. And the download progress has been very slow, feels like I'm moving at a tortoise's speed. But I guess that understandable, given my shitty crappy internet speed. Also I can't run it while I'm working. So I barely have any time to run it. Maybe like, a couple of hours each day, when I'm eating or reading a book or something.

So until I reach a 100%, there is no telling what the root cause of it (I guess). At least I couldn't figure it out. But thanks anyway to those, who tried to help, lend me their brains, I really appreciate it.  

Perhaps it would be wise to explain what exactly you tried? 

[LoyceV]

My other devices still chokes to death when I run Bitcoin core.

Did you replace your router?

And the download progress has been very slow, feels like I'm moving at a tortoise's speed.

What if you download other large files? Try a Linux .iso for example.

[ABCbits]

Update:

I know It's a bit late to do that!

But here is the update. Nothing changed. My other devices still chokes to death when I run Bitcoin core. And the download progress has been very slow, feels like I'm moving at a tortoise's speed. But I guess that understandable, given my shitty crappy internet speed. Also I can't run it while I'm working. So I barely have any time to run it. Maybe like, a couple of hours each day, when I'm eating or reading a book or something.

So until I reach a 100%, there is no telling what the root cause of it (I guess). At least I couldn't figure it out. But thanks anyway to those, who tried to help, lend me their brains, I really appreciate it.  

This is probably when you shouldn't force yourself to run full node.

And the download progress has been very slow, feels like I'm moving at a tortoise's speed.

What if you download other large files? Try a Linux .iso for example.

That may work to narrow down the possible root cause. But FWIW, Bitcoin Core can connect up to 10 other nodes (excluding incoming connection) while download typically connect to 1 server without any parallel.

[DYING_S0UL]

Perhaps it would be wise to explain what exactly you tried?  

maxuploadtarget=100 (until I reach 100% sync)
And a fresh installation  

Did you replace your router?

Unfortunately NO! I got overwhelmed with work and sickness that I couldn't manage the time or really forgot about that.

As you already know, I have: TP-Link wireless N router WR840N

And these are the available choices I have right now. So if you guys were to give a rough idea which one might be better, I'll buy it asap (you can also help me choose other models, if you have the free time).
Note that I will only buy from this particular store (I'm their regular loyal customer, and have a friendly relation with their salesperson )

1. https://www.ryans.com/mercusys-mr80x-v2-router
2. https://www.ryans.com/mercusys-mr60x-ax1500-gigabit-dual-band-wi-fi-6-router
3. https://www.ryans.com/tp-link-deco-m4-ac1200-mbps-gigabit-dual-band-wi-fi-system-1-pack

And what's the difference between (1,2) & (3)

Edit: Now I'm really pissed off! I have no idea why the hell I'm still using this shit router. I will change it today, no matter what! Although I'm sick (on medications - antibiotics), but I think I can manage.

What if you download other large files? Try a Linux .iso for example.

This is probably when you shouldn't force yourself to run full node.

I'm still learning though! And I shouldn't be limited by my place nor internet speed or anything. I don't plan on giving up. I did reached 100% sync previously. And I will reach it again. It's only a matter of time.  

[Satofan44]

maxuploadtarget=100 (until I reach 100% sync)
And a fresh installation  

What happens when you use the Torrent? Is 1.4 MiB/s your maximum speed? Do your other devices become unusable similar to when you are using Bitcoin Core?

3. https://www.ryans.com/tp-link-deco-m4-ac1200-mbps-gigabit-dual-band-wi-fi-system-1-pack

And what's the difference between (1,2) & (3)

The TP-Link one chooses design over functionality. It has fewer antennas and they are positioned on the inside. You will have a weaker range and it uses older WiFi technology. In any case I would skip this one.

1. https://www.ryans.com/mercusys-mr80x-v2-router
2. https://www.ryans.com/mercusys-mr60x-ax1500-gigabit-dual-band-wi-fi-6-router

They are pretty similar with the MR80x being rated for higher speeds. However, that is not really relevant for you given that you have a pretty slow internet. Nevertheless if the price difference is not significant for you (what is it, like $6?), I would go with the MR80X because it is a newer device that is positioned as slightly higher tier model. The hardware inside is difference and it may be worth it for longevity.

[DYING_S0UL]

What happens when you use the Torrent? Is 1.4 MiB/s your maximum speed? Do your other devices become unusable similar to when you are using Bitcoin Core?

They are pretty similar with the MR80x being rated for higher speeds. However, that is not really relevant for you given that you have a pretty slow internet. Nevertheless if the price difference is not significant for you (what is it, like $6?), I would go with the MR80X because it is a newer device that is positioned as slightly higher tier model. The hardware inside is difference and it may be worth it for longevity.

Bitcoin Core On = All devices struggles + includeing torrent

Bitcoin Core Off = Everything runs in harmony + that SS was taken with core off

Anyway, I'm already on my way! So unable to provide further ss. As for the router it would have been better if I could manage the v3 one, it has official OpenWRT support, while v2.2 doesn't. It won't make any significant differences but it was worth the try. And guess what, my old router has OpenWRT support, so I'm gonna become Dr. Frankenstein🧟‍♂️ and do our little experiment on it. Hopefully, I can make it work.

Will update on the situation later, hopefully...

Later Edit:

@LoyceV @Satofan44 (Not sure whether this will reach you, hours already passed and I'm only re-editing the post now)

Finally bought it...and it has many features, improvements and latest wifi technology, including the one QoS that you guys were asking about. Hopefully this will solve the jamming issue.
I have never used wifi6 btw! Eggcited.....

[Satofan44]

@LoyceV @Satofan44 (Not sure whether this will reach you, hours already passed and I'm only re-editing the post now)

Finally bought it...and it has many features, improvements and latest wifi technology, including the one QoS that you guys were asking about. Hopefully this will solve the jamming issue.
I have never used wifi6 btw! Eggcited.....

Nice. I am happy for you, I love clear technological upgrades especially when they are significant. This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

If it still does not solve the issue, check if it has any QoS settings. In case that it is just an on/off switch then we must proceed to other measures. At that point you need to revisit some limiting options on the previous page. There is another alternative approach which I believe i have not mentioned. You could run Bitcoin Core inside a container or a virtual machine and limit the network of that virtual machine. One of these solutions must work, the question is just which one. 

[DYING_S0UL]

Nice. I am happy for you, I love clear technological upgrades especially when they are significant. This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

If it still does not solve the issue, check if it has any QoS settings. In case that it is just an on/off switch then we must proceed to other measures. At that point you need to revisit some limiting options on the previous page. There is another alternative approach which I believe i have not mentioned. You could run Bitcoin Core inside a container or a virtual machine and limit the network of that virtual machine. One of these solutions must work, the question is just which one.  

This is still entry level to you? Lol, sorry to disappoint you then . What are you using wifi 7? I believe where I'm from, this is considered a huge upgrade. At least for general use (not enterprise) this is enough. I asked around a couple of my friends, and they are still using those cheap wifi 5 or below generation routers. So you can imagine the situation here.

Anyway, man this feels to surreal to me. I have never used/seen this 6 indicator on my phone..
As for the QoS, I have the option, but it isn't a simple on off thing. I have to specify the download and upload bandwidth.

[LoyceV]

This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

I'm just using the default my provider gave me, without any external antennas (and it works fine). This beast looks alien to me!

As for the QoS, I have the option, but it isn't a simple on off thing. I have to specify the download and upload bandwidth.

I suggest to try it without making any changes. See if it solves your problem out of the box.

[DYING_S0UL]

This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

I'm just using the default my provider gave me, without any external antennas (and it works fine). This beast looks alien to me!

Mine hooked me up with this shit router! Even the ONU they gave me was cheap and bad, later I had them replaced. He may have been using more beastyy then mine, hence he considered mine entry level! 

As for the old router, I'll flash OpenWRT on it, since the BIOS has only 4MB flash memory (not recommended), I'll have to manually solder a 8MB chip on it! Hopefully, I can make it work.

As for the QoS, I have the option, but it isn't a simple on off thing. I have to specify the download and upload bandwidth.

I suggest to try it without making any changes. See if it solves your problem out of the box.

So far so good. Everything runs smoothly! 

[Cricktor]

So far so good. Everything runs smoothly! 

You're not particularly detailed, but I assume you fired up Bitcoin Core, have it establish a number of connections, maybe sync to chain tip, and while this was syncing everything else on your local network didn't get grinded to a standstill as before?

If this is so, then nice improvement for you with the purchase of this more modern wifi router and likely no need to fiddle with QoS at all if it does the job already.

[Satofan44]

This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

I'm just using the default my provider gave me, without any external antennas (and it works fine). This beast looks alien to me!

The only problem with that is that it may no have regular updates, not because there are no security holes but because the ISPs are slow and lazy. I always recommend disabling WiFi on that one and using a more current model.  

This is still entry level to you? Lol, sorry to disappoint you then . What are you using wifi 7? I believe where I'm from, this is considered a huge upgrade. At least for general use (not enterprise) this is enough. I asked around a couple of my friends, and they are still using those cheap wifi 5 or below generation routers. So you can imagine the situation here.

I am just being precise.   My model is medium and it cost like $200. Routers can go into several hundred dollars and that is before you even get into the professional, enterprise grade hardware. The important thing is to always shop for current models, but according to your needs. The young folk these days have a tendency to buy expensive things that they need because someone told them so.  

Anyway, man this feels to surreal to me. I have never used/seen this 6 indicator on my phone..

Welcome to the future.  

As for the QoS, I have the option, but it isn't a simple on off thing. I have to specify the download and upload bandwidth.

It is pretty simple then. If you know your total bandwidths based on real performance then you can set it to 50% of that value. Even if you set it to 90% it should work for the problem that you have. In any case, if it works without setting anything then don't touch it.

So far so good. Everything runs smoothly! 

You're not particularly detailed, but I assume you fired up Bitcoin Core, have it establish a number of connections, maybe sync to chain tip, and while this was syncing everything else on your local network didn't get grinded to a standstill as before?

Yeah, we need to know if it works in the same scenario that was causing the problem. Please clarify OP.

[DYING_S0UL]

This model, even though it is an entry model, is a major step up from what you had before.

I'm just using the default my provider gave me, without any external antennas (and it works fine). This beast looks alien to me!

The only problem with that is that it may no have regular updates, not because there are no security holes but because the ISPs are slow and lazy. I always recommend disabling WiFi on that one and using a more current model.  

If update/security/feature are your concern, then you can buy a model with OpenWRT support. Usually after a couple of years, the regular router stops getting any updates. But with OpenWRT, you can easily replace your stock firmware and manually flash the latest one when made publicly available. They have a big community and lots of devs, who makes these possible.

I am just being precise.   My model is medium and it cost like $200. Routers can go into several hundred dollars and that is before you even get into the professional, enterprise grade hardware. The important thing is to always shop for current models, but according to your needs. The young folk these days have a tendency to buy expensive things that they need because someone told them so.  

I certainly can't afford or don't need a 200$ router. Where I live it's a big amount. So I rather spend it elsewhere.

Welcome to the future.  

So far so good. Everything runs smoothly!  

You're not particularly detailed, but I assume you fired up Bitcoin Core, have it establish a number of connections, maybe sync to chain tip, and while this was syncing everything else on your local network didn't get grinded to a standstill as before?

Yeah, we need to know if it works in the same scenario that was causing the problem. Please clarify OP.

It's all good guys. I'm using both my PC and mobile all together with Core on. It's usable and I'm not seeing that "Connected no internet" message anymore.   so many emoji'ssss