Donald Trump Summarily Executes 11 People Without a Trial

[franky1]

1. Is the death penalty ethical?
2. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
3. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?
4. Should this policy expand to sugar? Yes or no?

"The number of annual deaths attributed to sugar consumption, specifically through sugar-sweetened beverages, is estimated to be over 330,000 worldwide. These deaths are primarily due to diabetes and cardiovascular diseases linked to sugary drinks."
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-many-annual-deaths-can-be-oueSKf9oSNed5lbwYuPT8g

there are some extreme crimes which should warrant death penalty. also.. if america has gun laws and such where a homeowner can defend his property, you can possibly see how this can expand to defending territories against invaders too especially when the invaders are known to be part of groups that kill americans, and double-especially when just one of those causes deaths of multiple people

you really are doubling down on stupidity, comparing class A drugs to toothpaste/sugar/cannabis/alcohol(facepalm)
if you knew how little certain class A drugs are needed to kill a person vs how much weed/nicotine/beer is needed.. you might start to see the issue


what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were identified and they are not some lame street dealer thats just selling $10 weed
what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were not sailing their maiden voyage, its not the first trip they made

the traffickers are fully armed and supplying $Xm's per boat. which just that one boat can kill thousands
the risk:benefit loss:save ratios of lives lost vs lives saved based on actions taken on that boat. after fully identifying the boat and occupants determines the eligibility of authorising a strike on the boat

they know that if they sent some standard borderguard to try and stop/board the boat and drag it back to shore, the traffickers would most likely open fire on the borderguards

borderguards have previously made more peaceful attempts to stop certain cartels members, and results didnt lead to arrests, so things have to escalate

yep these traffickers are not some slumlord selling drugs in his basement. these traffickers are known armed maniacs that would do anything to not get caught
they have been designated as such. its not some random fire on some random boat of some peaceful guy just trading weed with his college buddies on a fishing trip

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the amount of deaths from sugar/[or your other lame alternative suggested products] do not come from one shipment of one team of people. also sugar is regulated to not kill someone in one dose.... unlike unregulated drugs that avoid customs/regulations and can kill in one dose

[caroasi]

1. Is the death penalty ethical?
2. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
3. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?
4. Should this policy expand to sugar? Yes or no?

"The number of annual deaths attributed to sugar consumption, specifically through sugar-sweetened beverages, is estimated to be over 330,000 worldwide. These deaths are primarily due to diabetes and cardiovascular diseases linked to sugary drinks."
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-many-annual-deaths-can-be-oueSKf9oSNed5lbwYuPT8g

there are some extreme crimes which should warrant death penalty. also.. if america has gun laws and such where a homeowner can defend his property, you can possibly see how this can expand to defending territories against invaders too especially when the invaders are known to be part of groups that kill americans, and double-especially when just one of those causes deaths of multiple people

you really are doubling down on stupidity, comparing class A drugs to toothpaste/sugar/cannabis/alcohol(facepalm)
if you knew how little certain class A drugs are needed to kill a person vs how much weed/nicotine/beer is needed.. you might start to see the issue


what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were identified and they are not some lame street dealer thats just selling $10 weed
what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were not sailing their maiden voyage, its not the first trip they made

the traffickers are fully armed and supplying $Xm's per boat. which just that one boat can kill thousands
the risk:benefit loss:save ratios of lives lost vs lives saved based on actions taken on that boat. after fully identifying the boat and occupants determines the eligibility of authorising a strike on the boat

they know that if they sent some standard borderguard to try and stop/board the boat and drag it back to shore, the traffickers would most likely open fire on the borderguards

borderguards have previously made more peaceful attempts to stop certain cartels members, and results didnt lead to arrests, so things have to escalate

yep these traffickers are not some slumlord selling drugs in his basement. these traffickers are known armed maniacs that would do anything to not get caught
they have been designated as such. its not some random fire on some random boat of some peaceful guy just trading weed with his college buddies on a fishing trip

..
the amount of deaths from sugar/[or your other lame alternative suggested products] do not come from one shipment of one team of people. also sugar is regulated to not kill someone in one dose.... unlike unregulated drugs that avoid customs/regulations and can kill in one dose

1. Is a death penalty for drug smuggling appropriate?
2. When an alleged criminal is armed, should they be killed sight on scene rather than arrested?
3. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
4. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?

[pooya87]

the 11 drug kingpins who got taken out

Gullible?
You do realize these fast moving drug boats don't have 11 "kingpins" in them, they have at most 2 or 4.

Donald Trump announced he ordered the summary execution of 11 people

I don't give a shit what you call it

What would have been the response of J.D. Vance if the Nigerian government ordered the execution of eleven Americans who were shipping drugs to Nigeria? Maybe Nigeria would have been another Gaza.

Your comments remind me of this quote: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" -George Orwell

Let me introduce you to the former president of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai who was president during the US invasion of and war crimes in Afghanistan. https://www.aparat.com/v/vulzfo1
Translation:
Karzai asks US regime officials "whether the bombs going off in Kabul or the bombs going off in Afghanistan villages killing dozens of women and children at a time were considered terrorism".
"No", they responded!
He asks them "then what is terrorism?".
"Terrorism is when our interests are threatened" responded the rogue US regime.

Right now the Venezuelans have control of vast amounts of resources (one of which is oil) inside Venezuelan soil and US regime interests is threatened because they don't control it instead! So now innocent people are being slaughtered by the US regime in clear act of terrorism.

[OgNasty]

the 11 drug kingpins who got taken out

Gullible?
You do realize these fast moving drug boats don't have 11 "kingpins" in them, they have at most 2 or 4.

That was a quote from an article, but thank you for sharing your intricate knowledge of drug kingpins.  I'm sure you have plenty of experience working with them.   In truth, obviously there are 0 drug kingpins on these boats.  This is a job for lower level smugglers who probably are doing this to feed their families and try to get out of a bad situation.  It is unfortunate that they chose to poison Americans to try and better their situation, and now this is no longer a concern for them.

I live by the base for the F-35 and I can tell you that from what I'm seeing in the air this week, there are going to be a lot more of these attacks happening in the near future.

[pooya87]

That was a quote from an article, but thank you for sharing your intricate knowledge of drug kingpins.  I'm sure you have plenty of experience working with them.

I know bcash is a shitcoin, it don't need to bag-hold it to know that

I live by the base for the F-35 and I can tell you that from what I'm seeing in the air this week, there are going to be a lot more of these attacks happening in the near future.

Only US military would use the most expensive supposedly stealth strike fighters to bomb civilian boats at sea

But jokes aside Unless you live in Puerto Rico it is unlikely for any movement in an airbase inside US soil to be related to this. For starters the distance would at least be 3000+ km (2000+ miles) from Florida (obviously more from deeper inside mainland). F-35 needs multiple refueling and the cost would be through the roof.
But also even though US doesn't seem like having any operational aircraft carriers, there are already air-assets deployed to Puerto Rico including the shitty and super expensive MQ-9 drones which most probably were used in this strike.

[Skydrill]

Trump said he was going to put an end to the drug smuggling. He said he was going to use the military to do it. Nobody should be surprised by this. I actually think it is one of those most badass things I’ve seen a President make the call to do. Dems had no problem when Obama wanted to use a drone on American citizens but they’re outraged Trump used weapons on foreign drug smugglers. That’s all you need to know about Democrats.

for a country whose democracy is a role model to many I think this is a very serious issue which will send a very wrong precedents and interpretation to the rest of the world, the US has always been known for human rights, respect for the rule of law and due process, but for something like this to happen then it means the US is beginning to deviate from what it once preached and wouldn't have the moral justification to question the likes of North Korea, Iran, Russia and perhaps Israel whenever they indulge in similar barbaric acts.

[Fiatless]

for a country whose democracy is a role model to many I think this is a very serious issue which will send a very wrong precedents and interpretation to the rest of the world, the US has always been known for human rights, respect for the rule of law and due process, but for something like this to happen then it means the US is beginning to deviate from what it once preached and wouldn't have the moral justification to question the likes of North Korea, Iran, Russia and perhaps Israel whenever they indulge in similar barbaric acts.

You assume that the US is a role model of human rights because you listen to Western-controlled media houses.  The US is a well-known violator of human rights and several cases have proved that. Any country that sees its citizens as superior to others cannot claim to respect the rule of law. No nation has the right to extrajudicially kill people because they are not its citizens.  It happened in Iraq,  Libya,  Afghanistan, Gaza and now shifting to Venezuela. 

Three more people have just been murdered by the US claiming that they are drug dealers.  Maybe an investigation might prove later that they were not drug peddlers.

[OgNasty]

for a country whose democracy is a role model to many I think this is a very serious issue which will send a very wrong precedents and interpretation to the rest of the world, the US has always been known for human rights, respect for the rule of law and due process, but for something like this to happen then it means the US is beginning to deviate from what it once preached and wouldn't have the moral justification to question the likes of North Korea, Iran, Russia and perhaps Israel whenever they indulge in similar barbaric acts.

You assume that the US is a role model of human rights because you listen to Western-controlled media houses.  The US is a well-known violator of human rights and several cases have proved that. Any country that sees its citizens as superior to others cannot claim to respect the rule of law. No nation has the right to extrajudicially kill people because they are not its citizens.  It happened in Iraq,  Libya,  Afghanistan, Gaza and now shifting to Venezuela. 

Three more people have just been murdered by the US claiming that they are drug dealers.  Maybe an investigation might prove later that they were not drug peddlers.

I love how people can simultaneously believe that the government watches everything that everyone does, but then thinks they would drone strike a boat full of peaceful goods peddlers.  Obviously they have men on the inside of these organizations giving them information, spy drones watching them load cocaine or fentanyl onto boats, and confirmation on the ground that the men on these boats are bad.  I promise you they aren't out there dropping hellfire missiles on fisherman.  As sexy as that idea may seem to those on the left...

[caroasi]

I promise you they aren't out there dropping hellfire missiles on fisherman.  As sexy as that idea may seem to those on the left...

If they were out there doing exactly that, what would that mean as a result?

[paxmao]

I personally believe the government of Trump carried out some misuse of force with those in the boat, allegedly transporting drugs through the Caribbean sea... Those alleged drug trafficked cold have been an useful source of information for the Trump administration, so they could have got information from them, in exchange of a shorter stay in prison, a plea deal.
Anyways, there are people who are happy with these people dying, they forget about human rights and the right people is supposed to have to get a fair trial, even if those people in boat were American citizens, Trump could get away with it, as the supreme court already gave much power to be figure of the presidency .

It is illegal. An act of war.

[OgNasty]

I promise you they aren't out there dropping hellfire missiles on fisherman.  As sexy as that idea may seem to those on the left...

If they were out there doing exactly that, what would that mean as a result?

If “if” were a fifth then we would all be drunk. If it were possible to be born in the wrong body then trannies wouldn’t be mentally ill. It may be fun to speculate in hypotheticals, but I’d rather keep political discussions to reality. The reality is that Donald Trump doesn’t have an axe to grind against fisherman and isn’t ordering they be obliterated for no reason.

[paxmao]

This is just an assassination. Killing without a trial, without evidence, using the army to do so...

The fact that the US law admits such act does not mean the world and international admits it. All I have to do to kill anyone that is annoying me is to declare it is part of an terrorist organisation. Since proofs are not needed and dead do not talk, this is a blank death sentence to be filled at will.

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there are some extreme crimes which should warrant death penalty. also.. if america has gun laws and such where a homeowner can defend his property, you can possibly see how this can expand to defending territories against invaders too especially when the invaders are known to be part of groups that kill americans, and double-especially when just one of those causes deaths of multiple people

you really are doubling down on stupidity, comparing class A drugs to toothpaste/sugar/cannabis/alcohol(facepalm)
if you knew how little certain class A drugs are needed to kill a person vs how much weed/nicotine/beer is needed.. you might start to see the issue


what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were identified and they are not some lame street dealer thats just selling $10 weed
what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were not sailing their maiden voyage, its not the first trip they made

the traffickers are fully armed and supplying $Xm's per boat. which just that one boat can kill thousands
the risk:benefit loss:save ratios of lives lost vs lives saved based on actions taken on that boat. after fully identifying the boat and occupants determines the eligibility of authorising a strike on the boat
[...]

a) Capital punishment may be legal in the US. Killing in foreign waters or international waters is murder.
b) No, your jurisdiction does not apply in foreign waters because they are in another country that has its own laws and as much right as the US to have them

Example: Venezuela considers Trump a murderer - acording to Venezuelan law - so according to your theory, it is absolutely OK if they send hitman to kill Trump.
Do you see how little sense you make or shall I put a more clear example?

c) Drug cartels do not kill drug users. Drug users kill themselves and in the way they create failed estates all over Latin America and kill millions of innocent people. Unless you are going to argue that people are not aware that using certain drugs is (a) illegal (b) extremelyt dangerous (c) addictive and that such drugs may contain shitloads of various poisons at the dealer's whim.

But all this is non-sense, this is about the Venezuelan oil. Trump is all about recreating the past and it is not that long ago that 25% of the oil used in the US was from Venezuela. You just need "the right government".


From Wikipedia, but any source will tell you this...

As of 2006, Venezuela was one of the largest suppliers of oil to the United States, sending about 1.4 million barrels per day (220×103 m3/d) to the U.S.[3]

In October 2007, the Venezuelan government said its proven oil reserves was 100 billion barrels (16×109 m3). The energy and oil ministry said it had certified an additional 12.4 billion barrels (2.0×109 m3) of proven reserves in the country's Faja del Orinoco region.[4] In February 2008, Venezuelan proven oil reserves were 172 billion barrels (27×109 m3).[5] By 2009, Venezuela reported 211.17 billion barrels (3.3573×1010 m3) of conventional oil reserves, the largest of any country in South America.[6] When 2015 ended, Venezuela's confirmed oil reserves were estimated to be around 300.9 billion barrels in total.

[programmer3666]

for a country whose democracy is a role model to many I think this is a very serious issue which will send a very wrong precedents and interpretation to the rest of the world, the US has always been known for human rights, respect for the rule of law and due process, but for something like this to happen then it means the US is beginning to deviate from what it once preached and wouldn't have the moral justification to question the likes of North Korea, Iran, Russia and perhaps Israel whenever they indulge in similar barbaric acts.

You assume that the US is a role model of human rights because you listen to Western-controlled media houses.  The US is a well-known violator of human rights and several cases have proved that. Any country that sees its citizens as superior to others cannot claim to respect the rule of law. No nation has the right to extrajudicially kill people because they are not its citizens.  It happened in Iraq,  Libya,  Afghanistan, Gaza and now shifting to Venezuela. 

Three more people have just been murdered by the US claiming that they are drug dealers.  Maybe an investigation might prove later that they were not drug peddlers.

The US always calls itself a defender of democracy and human rights in the global settings!!! but many times their actions shows the opposite of it. history has shown several cases of killings without trial and unnecessary foreign interventions just take the case of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and other places even right this 2025 they are talking about attacking other sovereign country like venuzuela just imagine the hypocrisy. when a government kills people without giving them a fair trial, it goes against the same justice and fairness it says it believes in. if this continues!!! the US will not have the right to question other countries for doing the same thing. but the good thing is that a lot of US citizens are beginning to speak out against the government so hopefully things will start going on a more diffrent direction...

[Hispo]

the 11 drug kingpins who got taken out

Gullible?
You do realize these fast moving drug boats don't have 11 "kingpins" in them, they have at most 2 or 4.

Kingpins do not risk their necks to transport tons of cocaine across the Caribbean sea, they command their traffickers and mules to do so in their behalf from their fortified drug bunkers, away from the reach of law enforcement, anyone who calls those killed in this operation by the United States "kingpins" has no idea how drug cartels work and the fact they keep a very well organized like of command, similar to what you would find in a western corporation.
In the war against drugs those in the front line the ones who receive least money and those few who live comfortably are never seen outside their headquarters without their personal armies of sicarios.

[Fiatless]

I love how people can simultaneously believe that the government watches everything that everyone does, but then thinks they would drone strike a boat full of peaceful goods peddlers.  Obviously they have men on the inside of these organizations giving them information, spy drones watching them load cocaine or fentanyl onto boats, and confirmation on the ground that the men on these boats are bad.  I promise you they aren't out there dropping hellfire missiles on fisherman.  As sexy as that idea may seem to those on the left...

The US feels they are not accountable to anybody. At least Trump would have shown evidence that there were drugs on the boat. You think those people who were killed came from trees. They have families that have so many questions. Let us see videos and pictures from spy drones to prove that these guys were transporting drugs.

Based on the United States Sentencing Commission the average sentence for individuals trafficking drugs in 2024 was 82 months. You decided to kill them because they are Venezuelans since you see them as less humans.

[OgNasty]

I love how people can simultaneously believe that the government watches everything that everyone does, but then thinks they would drone strike a boat full of peaceful goods peddlers.  Obviously they have men on the inside of these organizations giving them information, spy drones watching them load cocaine or fentanyl onto boats, and confirmation on the ground that the men on these boats are bad.  I promise you they aren't out there dropping hellfire missiles on fisherman.  As sexy as that idea may seem to those on the left...

The US feels they are not accountable to anybody. At least Trump would have shown evidence that there were drugs on the boat. You think those people who were killed came from trees. They have families that have so many questions. Let us see videos and pictures from spy drones to prove that these guys were transporting drugs.

Based on the United States Sentencing Commission the average sentence for individuals trafficking drugs in 2024 was 82 months. You decided to kill them because they are Venezuelans since you see them as less humans.

I didn’t decide to kill anyone. I may have laughed and joked with friends about a small drug boat getting absolutely destroyed by a missile because I don’t have any sympathy for people who would poison citizens of another country to enrich themselves. Nothing to do with them being Venezuelans. Anybody trying to poison my fellow Americans can get it.

3 boats obliterated now by my count.

[franky1]

In truth, obviously there are 0 drug kingpins on these boats.  This is a job for lower level smugglers who probably are doing this to feed their families and try to get out of a bad situation. 

to be more accurate(logically)
no top level kingpin, but these boats do carry a heck of alot more than a couple of swallowed balloons they bribe a hobo to mule.. so atleast a few mid level ranking cartel members they trust enough, but still expendable enough. atleast to keep each other straight and on task and not decide to retire with $Xm of stash on a boat

[BADecker]

The whole idea of drugs has become a way for politicians to make money. How? Politicians make laws to spend money on caring for drug-harmed citizens. The they get paid by the people in the medical who are trying (if you can believe them) to save the drug-harmed people.

Any minute Congress wants, they can enforce the simple Constitution rules, and step up advertising against drug use, and how drug users will be left on their own to find their own help without government funding. Then block Federal funding for all agencies and companies that rehabilitate drug users using government funds.

The only funding that government should supply is, government funds when necessary to bury dead drug users in mass graves if they don't have relatives who will take care of their remains.

Illegal drug use would simply (almost) shut down, and cartels would break up because it wouldn't be profitable for them any longer.



Government won't do the above because Congress people are getting kickbacks from the cartels... if not funding them directly. Trump is simply doing it the simple way. But cartels will always find a way around what Trump is doing. De-funding is really the only way.

[EluguHcman]

Donald Trump announced he ordered the summary execution of 11 people for associating them self with Tren de Aragua, which the USA labeled as a terrorist organization with connections to Venezuela, an enemy state of the USA. He did not seek any legal process and instead simply ordered the United States military to blow up the boat in which they were in, in international waters.

What do you think? Should the USA military summarily execute people when they believe someone is associated with a terrorist group? If you believe Donald Trump overstepped his authority, what do you think should be the penalty for doing that?

We can for all we cares cries out loud or tries to quote the same laws that is implemented by the governments which governs us as humans, but bear it in mind that those in power as Donald Trump will always do whatever they choose. Currently those who makes the laws are felt above the laws.
Donald Trump might be wrong with his actions by ordering immediate execution of those guys without following the discreet orderliness which abides to the terms of legal processes.

If I must say, that was a barbaric act which does not prove civil act but if we look at the military formations, shooting at sight is part of a way to deal with terrorists who are on the security wanted list and when victims has seemed difficult to be captured, then shooting at sight comes the only way especially when the victims are so terrifying.

On that course, there will be no room for trial before executions even when justice is said to be properly served only by the laws.