Balancing Financial security and Bitcoin Accumulation

[PhilosopherKing]

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DCA does not need to be consistent.
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That's true. The whole reason for DCA is to keep stacking bitcoin overtime and not to pressure yourself into investing a fixed amount that you may not longer afford as usual. That is why investors can apply flexibility when using the DCA approach, so that it aligns and fit with their personal situation even if the buying is not consistent. E.g, a investor of bitcoin, who in the past used to invest regularly because of his stable income source, he may by chance later lose that job and start having inconsistent earnings from his side jobs. But that should not be what should go force him to completely abandon his DCA approach of accumulating. He can just simply adjust the time of his buying to match his income pattern

[GIF-JOBS]

This is actually a good way to get your discretionary funds before month or week end that someone will receive salary or wages that is if their payment is constant and doesn't vary because of it does vary you can not be able to determine how much to allocate to some certain needs or want but on the other hand doing this because one can easily forget their needs doesn't make any sense because I wonder what will make someone forget his needs unless the person doesn't know what scale of preference is all about. A wise investor will never forget his needs whenever money comes in because he knows what will be the consequences or the damage it can cause or create of they forgot.

Whether you receive wages, salary, contracts, pay check to pay check or pension. It doesn't matter at all, what matters is that you are able to cover the necessary expenses you have and also have enough discretionary income to buy more Bitcoin. That is the most important thing here. No matter how you get your income, you can always dca if you choose to. There is no exemption to anyone as long as your income keeps coming, at the same time, your income is enough to cover your emergencies, including any other expenses for you to have discretionary income for investment.

I completely agree with you on this, whatever your source of income, the first thing to do is to ensure the necessary expenses. Then if you have discretionary income in hand, then take the next decision to manage the matter of DCA, you have to see whether you will be able to manage this DCA consistently, whether you will be able to manage the investment without destroying the continuity of this investment in any emergency situation, you have to take a good care of all these things and decide to invest here, since the journey here is long-term, so you have to consider all aspects, because deciding to sell the holding in the middle can cause losses.

[Cryptokuus]

I completely agree with you on this, whatever your source of income, the first thing to do is to ensure the necessary expenses. Then if you have discretionary income in hand, then take the next decision to manage the matter of DCA, you have to see whether you will be able to manage this DCA consistently, whether you will be able to manage the investment without destroying the continuity of this investment in any emergency situation, you have to take a good care of all these things and decide to invest here, since the journey here is long-term, so you have to consider all aspects, because deciding to sell the holding in the middle can cause losses.

long term investment is not something an investor needs to get into without a proper plan on how they intend to hold there bitcoin. There should be room for an emergency funds as this will make an investor not to temper with there holding whenever they are being faced with real emergency.For it to be possible to hold bitcoin for a long term there should be need to invest using discretionary income.

[JayJuanGee]

Haha bro calm down, you’re right from an angle, I am not dragging lump sum with you. If someone has big money ready at once, of course going heavy makes sense, nobody is arguing that. But where my point still stands is this,  most people do not have that kind of cash just sitting there waiting. like you said “ if I have the right amount” meaning even you yourself don’t have it. For the average person, consistency is literally the only way they even get a decent position in Bitcoin.

And that is why I rate DCA. It removes the whole pressure of waiting to gather big money. Instead of wasting months trying to stack a big lump sum, someone can slowly build their bag while learning the market.

The fear of pulling out large amounts of money at once may also be part of the reason why some investors especially new investors who are just venturing or starting to buy bitcoin may decide to play it safe by not using lump sum strategy. They may choose to start with DCA since it is possible to start or spread ones buying into different prices. It just because some investors don't have enough cash to do lump sum, is because of safety that makes some of this investor use DCA strategy .

Some folks assume that lump sum only applies to rich people, and it does not.

Sure, we understand that many times poor people do not have extra cash.  They only have their regular income which also might be uncertain.. and same with expenses that might have some irregularities... .yet even poor people will sometimes receive some extra payments that they will be able to dedicate some or all of it to bitcoin, and the longer that the poor people are in bitcoin and they are able to organize their cashflow management to strengthen it, then they well may recognize more opportunities to lump sum based on their putting themselves into situations of having extra cash by increasing their income and/or decreasing their expenses.

On the other hand, even if logistically, a person might be able to get some access to lump sum funds, it might be better and more convenient to use a DCA method to move those funds into bitcoin over time rather than all at once - especially if they might be in some other investment or maybe you have a business with another person, and you agree that you are going to sell your half of the business to your business partner.. The two of you agree that you could receive $4,000 right away or if you agree to allow your partner to pay you over the next two years, you would receive $50 per week (which would add up to $5,200), and financially for you, you would rather receive the larger amount through the payments plan.  You can find yourself in similar situations in regards to how you might want to treat lump sum funds.

There could also be situations where you have some funds, and you have those funds dedicated for a certain purpose, and all of a sudden you see that the bitcoin price has dropped around 25%, so you decide to rush to get those funds so you can use them to buy bitcoin, even though you might have to pay some extra fees based on your wanting to get quick access to the funds.  You may or may not end up getting bitcoin on the dip, or perhaps after you buy on the dip, the BTC price keeps dipping for another year.. so.. even though you took your chance, the price kept dipping, but you don't mind because you thought that it was a good buying opportunity even though maybe it takes a couple of years before the price returns back to the price that you bought it at.  Those are real scenarios that can end up happening with real people.

[The Founding Titan]

I still believe consistency beats amount.

Are you sure consistency beats amount? Please don't go there
Some bitcoiners lump sum; most of them go big in Bitcoin the moment they are ready to invest. Only a pleb should make DCA and consistency a priority. Do you think with the knowledge I know about Bitcoin, if I have the right amount to go big in Bitcoin, I wouldn't do so? The value of 1 Bitcoin is high, but that is everyone's wish to hold up to 1, if not more.

Haha bro calm down, you’re right from an angle, I am not dragging lump sum with you. If someone has big money ready at once, of course going heavy makes sense, nobody is arguing that. But where my point still stands is this,  most people do not have that kind of cash just sitting there waiting. like you said “ if I have the right amount” meaning even you yourself don’t have it. For the average person, consistency is literally the only way they even get a decent position in Bitcoin.

And that is why I rate DCA. It removes the whole pressure of waiting to gather big money. Instead of wasting months trying to stack a big lump sum, someone can slowly build their bag while learning the market.

The DCA actually only works with consistency and that's why consistency is very important for anyone who wants to invest in bitcoin with the DCA method, this doesn't necessarily work for others investment strategies,

You don't even know what you are talking about.

Are you actually attempting to employ any of these strategies or are you just talking from some theoretical position that has nothing to do with reality?

DCA does not need to be consistent.

DCA allows a person to invest whenever he has money available and to choose the amount to invest when it is available.  He can choose to invest aggressively or he can choose to invest whimpily, and there are many variations that would not necessarily end up being employed in a consistent way and still be considered as DCA.

buying the DIP is only possible if there is a DIP to buy

I suppose that could be true.  The idea behind buying the dip is that you already have some money and you wait for a dip with that money, and so if no dip comes or the dip is not enough then the buys would not end up happening.  The fact that the buy prices might not be reached is a trade off for buying the dip as a practice.

Buying dip can be strategically employed or systematically employed depending on the circumstances that a person might consider it to be a good idea to attempt.

and you can only lump sum if you have the amount of money needed to do so available to you, of course this amount varies from individual to individual but if a person can not even DCA then how are they supposed to be able to buy in lump sum since they don't even have enough money to DCA,

You are talking gobble-dee-gook.  A lump sum could be some extra amount of money that comes in, or maybe it is an amount of money that a person decides to reallocate into bitcoin.  Even within the lump sum amount a person does not need to invest it all right away, and he could consider allocating some of the lump sum for DCA and another part for buying the dip.  There is flexibility.

Let's say if a person had been buying $100 per week of bitcoin for a year, so he had invested right around $5,200, and then for some reason all of a sudden he got a bonus at work of $2,600, which is equal to 6 months (or 26 weeks) of his previous invested amount.

When he gets it, if he decides to dedicate the money towards bitcoin buys, he can decide how much he wants to put in each category, and he can do whatever he wants in terms of the division if he thinks that it makes sense to his situation.

and buying the DIP can be even trickier since we don't know when a DIP will happen, so that's why most people prefer to invest with DCA.

I think DCA is a better approach, but yeah of course, people can do whatever they like, even if they end up choosing an inferior method/practice.

For me every investment strategy works just fine as long as they are applied the right way, if you have the extra cash available then you can lump sum and if this cash is available during a DIP then you can also buy that DIP but without a DIP happening and you not having access to the amount of money you can consider as lump then the DCA is the only other available option, this is what makes it so much better, it's all up to you as an investor whether to invest or not provided that you have you discretionary income available to you.

Sure.  A person can choose which method or combination of methods to use.

My talk on consistency isn't about buying with the same amount all the time but just about buying, I might be wrong but that's also why I'm here, to learn from people who know more than I do about bitcoin and to be able to apply the better investment principles I learn here to my own accumulation journey, I've also always stated that an investor should endeavour to keep investing preferably with the DCA as long as they have the discretionary income to do so available to them this is because I don't think it's very smart to invest in bitcoin outside of your discretionary income and this stand that I am taking on not buying outside of our discretionary income is backed up with the current fluctuations in bitcoin price, especially by the current DIP, people who invented outside of their discretionary income are under alot of pressure right and most have already considered selling to mitigate their losses, if they had just invested with their discretionary income then they wouldn't be this afraid of the DIP and would just keep holding.
And concerning limb summing I believe that what can be considered lump sum depends on the individual as I started in this other thread

Just because the DCA is a budget friendly bitcoin investment strategy doesn't mean it an investment strategy for poor people, the purpose of the DCA is to ensure that anyone with enough discretionary income can invest in bitcoin, if your discretionary income is low then don't conclude the same for others, there are people who get around $10 discretionary every week and for some people it can be up to $100 and to others it could even be $1000, and each of od these people can DCA if they want to , while you might consider buying bitcoin with $500 as buying lump there is someone else who sees that amount as the lowest they can go in their DCAing so what's too much for you might be too small for someone else so while you might see a person investing with $1k you might think that the person is lump suming but in truth that person is just DCAing on the cheap side as far as they are concerned since that $1k but even be less than their 50% of their discretionary income.

I could be wrong in my theories and I'm not in any way trying to impose them on others, it's just my view and I'm open to corrections.

[Cgrexp]

I completely agree with you on this, whatever your source of income, the first thing to do is to ensure the necessary expenses. Then if you have discretionary income in hand, then take the next decision to manage the matter of DCA, you have to see whether you will be able to manage this DCA consistently, whether you will be able to manage the investment without destroying the continuity of this investment in any emergency situation, you have to take a good care of all these things and decide to invest here, since the journey here is long-term, so you have to consider all aspects, because deciding to sell the holding in the middle can cause losses.

long term investment is not something an investor needs to get into without a proper plan on how they intend to hold there bitcoin. There should be room for an emergency funds as this will make an investor not to temper with there holding whenever they are being faced with real emergency.For it to be possible to hold bitcoin for a long term there should be need to invest using discretionary income.

No matter how someone gets money, the investment must be within their considered income. Because if this limit is not followed, the investment may have to be broken to meet daily expenses in the future, which can cause losses in the long run. In reality, most people do not have any other source of investment except a fixed income. Therefore, the DCA strategy is a relatively safe and realistic way for them. It gives them the opportunity to invest in Bitcoin regularly. On a weekly or monthly basis according to their income so that their financial stability is maintained. The definition of the word lump sum or lump sum is not the same for everyone. When a common person receives any extra money such as a $150 bonus or unexpected income, it may seem like a lump sum to him. Even if one is not rich, one can get such money and how to use that money is the main question here. If someone wants, they can use that money to buy Bitcoin all at once, while someone else can use it gradually or by buying it in the market. The decision to invest depends not only on the amount of money but also on the investor's mentality, risk-taking ability and financial situation.  So, whether it is a one-time investment or a regular investment strategy, the two most important things are investment responsibility and staying within your limits.

[cxtreenal]

Some folks assume that lump sum only applies to rich people, and it does not.

There is some logic to the idea of ​​many folk. It is difficult for many poor folk to meet their basic needs and accumulate Bitcoin through DCA. I am going through that stage and I realize how disciplined it is to invest in Bitcoins through discretionary income. I agree with you that many investors have the ability to buy Bitcoin at a time and they do so if they can understand the intrinsic value of Bitcoin. Many investors can earn extra money in addition to their salary which they get as overtime. They can add Bitcoin at a time through that fund. If we relax the consideration of the extremely poor in terms of investment then a fairly level investor can definitely buy Bitcoin at a time.

[PhilosopherKing]

Some folks assume that lump sum only applies to rich people, and it does not.

Sure, we understand that many times poor people do not have extra cash.  They only have their regular income which also might be uncertain.. and same with expenses that might have some irregularities... .yet even poor people will sometimes receive some extra payments that they will be able to dedicate some or all of it to bitcoin, and the longer that the poor people are in bitcoin and they are able to organize their cashflow management to strengthen it, then they well may recognize more opportunities to lump sum based on their putting themselves into situations of having extra cash by increasing their income and/or decreasing their expenses.

On the other hand, even if logistically, a person might be able to get some access to lump sum funds, it might be better and more convenient to use a DCA method to move those funds into bitcoin over time rather than all at once - especially if they might be in some other investment or maybe you have a business with another person, and you agree that you are going to sell your half of the business to your business partner.. The two of you agree that you could receive $4,000 right away or if you agree to allow your partner to pay you over the next two years, you would receive $50 per week (which would add up to $5,200), and financially for you, you would rather receive the larger amount through the payments plan.  You can find yourself in similar situations in regards to how you might want to treat lump sum funds.

There could also be situations where you have some funds, and you have those funds dedicated for a certain purpose, and all of a sudden you see that the bitcoin price has dropped around 25%, so you decide to rush to get those funds so you can use them to buy bitcoin, even though you might have to pay some extra fees based on your wanting to get quick access to the funds.  You may or may not end up getting bitcoin on the dip, or perhaps after you buy on the dip, the BTC price keeps dipping for another year.. so.. even though you took your chance, the price kept dipping, but you don't mind because you thought that it was a good buying opportunity even though maybe it takes a couple of years before the price returns back to the price that you bought it at.  Those are real scenarios that can end up happening with real people.

Sure. lump sum has nothing to do with our social class, neither does it even have anything to do with being rich . It rather has everything to do with extra cash at particular moments and then choosing what you will want to do with it. People usually misconceives lump sum as a strategy for the rich usually because of their confusion of what the term- lump sum is. The thing is that if we are honest with ourselves, we would confirm that we receive some extramoney sometimes, which is most time usually outside of our daily/weekly/monthly income. The extra money may come as gifts or reward from -friends, workplaces, family members, online task,  profits gotten from betting, bonuses, maybe lottery, crypto mining activity and the likes. And we receiving this money most times does not matter if we are a poor or rich. and one can decide to invest sufh money in one go into Bitcoin, and that's definitely lump sum. But yet people will do whatever shit they like, like blowing up that money of shitty stuff, simply because they think that they cannot lump sum.

[BTC-blaad]

Some folks assume that lump sum only applies to rich people, and it does not.

Sure, we understand that many times poor people do not have extra cash.  They only have their regular income which also might be uncertain.. and same with expenses that might have some irregularities... .yet even poor people will sometimes receive some extra payments that they will be able to dedicate some or all of it to bitcoin, and the longer that the poor people are in bitcoin and they are able to organize their cashflow management to strengthen it, then they well may recognize more opportunities to lump sum based on their putting themselves into situations of having extra cash by increasing their income and/or decreasing their expenses.

On the other hand, even if logistically, a person might be able to get some access to lump sum funds, it might be better and more convenient to use a DCA method to move those funds into bitcoin over time rather than all at once - especially if they might be in some other investment or maybe you have a business with another person, and you agree that you are going to sell your half of the business to your business partner.. The two of you agree that you could receive $4,000 right away or if you agree to allow your partner to pay you over the next two years, you would receive $50 per week (which would add up to $5,200), and financially for you, you would rather receive the larger amount through the payments plan.  You can find yourself in similar situations in regards to how you might want to treat lump sum funds.

There could also be situations where you have some funds, and you have those funds dedicated for a certain purpose, and all of a sudden you see that the bitcoin price has dropped around 25%, so you decide to rush to get those funds so you can use them to buy bitcoin, even though you might have to pay some extra fees based on your wanting to get quick access to the funds.  You may or may not end up getting bitcoin on the dip, or perhaps after you buy on the dip, the BTC price keeps dipping for another year.. so.. even though you took your chance, the price kept dipping, but you don't mind because you thought that it was a good buying opportunity even though maybe it takes a couple of years before the price returns back to the price that you bought it at.  Those are real scenarios that can end up happening with real people.

Sure. lump sum has nothing to do with our social class, neither does it even have anything to do with being rich . It rather has everything to do with extra cash at particular moments and then choosing what you will want to do with it. People usually misconceives lump sum as a strategy for the rich usually because of their confusion of what the term- lump sum is. The thing is that if we are honest with ourselves, we would confirm that we receive some extramoney sometimes, which is most time usually outside of our daily/weekly/monthly income. The extra money may come as gifts or reward from -friends, workplaces, family members, online task,  profits gotten from betting, bonuses, maybe lottery, crypto mining activity and the likes. And we receiving this money most times does not matter if we are a poor or rich. and one can decide to invest sufh money in one go into Bitcoin, and that's definitely lump sum. But yet people will do whatever shit they like, like blowing up that money of shitty stuff, simply because they think that they cannot lump sum.

lump sum gets tossed around like it’s some elite only play, but at the end of the day it’s just extra cash you happen to have right now. Whether it’s a birthday gift, a bonus, a lucky win, or a little crypto mining profit, that money shows up for anyone, rich or not.
The real distinction is what you decide to do with it. If you’ve got a chunk you’re comfortable putting into Bitcoin all at once, that’s a perfectly valid move especially if you’ve already built a solid DCA habit to smooth out the day to day volatility.