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July 25, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
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Well I find it the natural follow up to the legalization of same sex marriage in many countries...., what's next Bestiality ? ....

I found "marriage" absurd on all its extent. Marriage is nothing but a dark age attempt to force someone to stay with someone else.
It's also the bureaucratic hypocrites best thing! Take Muslims for an instance, they're mostly adulterers with strong anti-adultery laws. What would be just funny if they won't sentence anybody (women mostly) to death over that hypocrite non-sense.

Hmm I disagree, I think marriage is something important and it is part of what makes human beings, while at the same time we still have the choice of marrying or not marrying, but that's not even the point of my comments

as for the Muslim case that's totally wrong, and feel free to post a legitimate source to that claim if you have one, as for death penalty for adultery (it's not woman mostly) it's a by passed law, that you only find in tribal and extremist regions. to my knowledge the death penalty is limited to married people couples cheating and this has the same punishment in other religions such as christinans if I remember correctly you can check out Leviticus 20:10 and there tons of references I just don't remember everything , as for people that are not married it's 60 lashes or something like.
I invite you to do some reading because it's seems you are misinformed with everything that is put in the media
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July 25, 2014, 09:00:12 PM
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Marriage is meaningless, is a bureaucratic bullshit and you made no point in its favor. That doesn't make us any "humans", born human makes you human, not any bullshit around it.

By the simple fact a muslim man can marry more than one woman makes him engaging multi-partner relationships. Or in other words, when he gets the second woman he is committing adultery to the first one, regardless the bullshit of marriage papers.

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July 25, 2014, 09:07:40 PM
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Marriage is meaningless, is a bureaucratic bullshit and you made no point in its favor.

By the simple fact a muslim man can marry more than one woman makes him engaging multi-partner relationships. Or in other words, when he gets the second woman he is committing adultery to the first one, regardless the bullshit of marriage papers.

Again this is wrong, misinformed
-well this one might be a matter of opinion but if marriage for you just a bureaucratic bullshit, that's just your opinion and I disagree, It's more than that, it's the uniou of to people that pledge to take care of each other for life.
-As for Muslims being able to marry more, maybe you need to check the conditions for a man to be able to marry another wife, you'll be surprised and you'll understand, why polygamy is very rare and almost non existent in the islamic world
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July 25, 2014, 09:16:03 PM
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Rare? It may have some requirements, but it's allowed (up to 4 depending how strictly the muslims take it) as if the word "marriage", because that's all that is, a word, makes a whole difference in matters of the act itself being adultery or not.
Twisting the World to make it fit in Islam is a common practice. Islam is like a tailor that when the suit doesn't fit tries to make amendments at the customer.

And I love that "you're media misinformed" bullshit! I read the Quran and Hadeeth to see what is that about, been to Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia... don't need to read in the papers.
From all of it, what got me more amazed is how much of a religion-lovers muslims are, they put religion above everything, parents included, and don't think much before jump into a Taqqyia-mood if see it attacked.

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July 25, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
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Rare? It may have some requirements, but it's allowed (up to 4 depending how strictly the muslims take it) as if the word "marriage", because that's all that is, a word, makes a whole difference in matters of the act itself being adultery or not.
Twisting the World to make it fit in Islam is a common practice. Islam is like a tailor that when the suit doesn't fit tries to make amendments at the customer.

And I love that "you're media misinformed" bullshit! I read the Quran and Hadeeth to see what is that about, been to Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia... don't need to read in the papers.
From all of it, what got me more amazed is how much of a religion-lovers muslims are, they put religion above everything, parents included, and don't think much before jump into a Taqqyia-mood if see it attacked.
I don't know which parts you've missed on my comment, but I think I was clear about, you think Polygamy is a common occurrence in the arab/Islamic world as you are basing your argumentation on Polygamy, I invite again to check your facts, as you are really misinformed if you disagree, then post one static study that shows that polygamy is common in Islamic/arab world
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July 25, 2014, 09:46:37 PM
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You got me totally wrong, I DO NOT condemn polygamy - not my business. What I condemn is the fact that Muslims, being a culture that allows polygamy, harasses people due to adultery. If you want polygamy then stop lashing, killing and god knows what about adultery, polygamy is just another name for allowed adultery! - Usually sexist, like any Dark Aged law.
That sounds like a non-sense sick joke!

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Fine with me I do enjoy my animes that go into that realm  Grin (or the not related by blood root)
http://www.crunchyroll.ca/the-irregular-at-magic-high-school/episode-1-enrollment-part-i-652193
http://www.crunchyroll.ca/oreimo/episode-1-my-little-sister-cant-be-my-love-582472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ_It6s_9Ss
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAmFwltD-tg
Historically royalty more or less did the same.

Threw a jackknife at it

Throws two more if Homosexuality equates as acceptable is it really out of range to throw taboos such as incest and pedophilia under different radars.
What makes them so different besides a perception

Even now in many societies homosexuality along with the other two are all considered serious taboos teens are allowed to marry in Africa because of either poverty or lower life expectancy, heck even labor standards allow children in the USA to work on farms such as the Amish and this has not changed for centuries even with the changes to labor standards regarding child labor which is a byproduct of this century so its all a slippery slope between individual rights and societal values.

The right to privacy didn't even exist until 1890 when a law review article written by Samuel Warren and Louis Brandeis, published in the 1890 Harvard Law Review created the concept in legal terms.
Until that point there was no concept in relation to that point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Privacy_(article)

Warren and Brandeis begin their article by introducing the fundamental principle that "the individual shall have full protection in person and in property.” They acknowledge that this is a fluid principle that has been reconfigured over the centuries as a result of political, social, and economic change.

The first three paragraphs of the essay describe the development of the common law with regard to life and property. Originally, the common law "right to life” only provided a remedy for physical interference with life and property. But later, the scope of the "right to life” expanded to recognize the "legal value of sensations.” For example, the action of battery—a protection against actual bodily injury—gave rise to the action of assault—fear of actual bodily injury. Similarly, the concept of property expanded from protecting only tangible property to intangible property.

In my opinion pedophilia does not extend onto teenagers but rather is a societal change that has occurred as an average persons lifespan increased, incest as the judge pointed out genetics which in the future could be circumvented.  

The key word was he said MAY and it very well could become accepted once again into society as it once was historically.
Outrage as Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society

More on the Amish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_life_in_the_modern_world

As time has passed, the Amish have felt pressures from the modern world. Child labor laws, for example, are threatening their long-established ways of life, and raise questions regarding the treatment of children in an Amish household, and also in the way the Amish view emotional and medical support. A modern society places little emphasis on the emotional and spiritual bonds found in an Amish household that bind them together as a people. There is instead a negative perception regarding how the Amish choose to view some medical conditions as being 'The Will of God', without always receiving modern medical treatment found in hospitals or medical clinics; though many Amish communities maintain communal telephones to reach others in cases of emergency. Amish children often follow in their faith's long-standing tradition of being taught at an early age to work jobs in the home on the family's land or that of the community. Children are taught the traditions of their parents or immediate family until adolescence, when they are able to go into the world and compare their family's teachings with those of the world through rumspringa. Viewed as a respectful and enduring group, the Amish still spark controversy in modern society relating to their methods of raising young children, which vary greatly from the non-Amish.

They also changed the perception of mental health and forestry so I can say that sometimes older approaches were not incorrect but changed over time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Public_Service

The CPS men objected to the mistreatment and abuse of patients and determined to improve conditions in the psychiatric wards. They wanted to show other attendants alternatives to violence when dealing with patients.

Frank Olmstead, chairman of the War Resisters League observed:

One objector assigned to a violent ward refused to take the broomstick offered by the Charge. When he entered the ward the patients crowded around asking, "Where is your broomstick?" He said he thought he would not need it. "But suppose some of us gang up on you?" The CO guessed they wouldn't do that and started talking about other things. Within a few days the patients were seen gathering around the unarmed attendant telling him of their troubles. He felt much safer than the Charge who had only his broomstick for company.

Outraged workers surveyed CPS men in other hospitals and learned of the degree of abuse throughout the psychiatric care system. Contacting church managers and government officials, the COs begin advocating for reforms to end the abuses. Conditions were exposed in institutions such as Cleveland State Hospital, Eastern State Hospital in Virginia and Hudson River State Hospital. One explained:

And the governor came in and they cleaned out the hospital. I mean, they had hearings. We all had to appear in court and all that kind of stuff. And within a month or so, the hospital was completely changed. The superintendent was fired and the new superintendent was put in, and not only did they do our hospital, they did all the hospitals, mental hospitals in Virginia.

The reformers were especially active at the Byberry Hospital in Philadelphia where four Friends initiated the The Attendant magazine as a way to communicate ideas and promote reform. This periodical later became The Psychiatric Aide, a professional journal for mental health workers. On May 6, 1946 Life Magazine printed an exposé of the mental healthcare system based on the reports of COs. Another effort of CPS, Mental Hygiene Project became the National Mental Health Foundation. Initially skeptical about the value of Civilian Public Service, Eleanor Roosevelt, impressed by the changes introduced by COs in the mental health system, became a sponsor of the National Mental Health Foundation and actively inspired other prominent citizens including Owen J. Roberts, Pearl Buck and Harry Emerson Fosdick to join her in advancing the organization's objectives of reform and humane treatment of patients.

Anyways history is full of little things like that always interesting stuff.

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July 27, 2014, 04:17:44 AM
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Fine with me I do enjoy my animes that go into that realm  Grin (or the not related by blood root)
http://www.crunchyroll.ca/the-irregular-at-magic-high-school/episode-1-enrollment-part-i-652193
http://www.crunchyroll.ca/oreimo/episode-1-my-little-sister-cant-be-my-love-582472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ_It6s_9Ss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mksNEWUszas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAmFwltD-tg
Historically royalty more or less did the same.

(...)

Anyways history is full of little things like that always interesting stuff.

Cool! Thanks for the links!

And also, thanks for your sensible and balanced post. Indeed, the knowledge of History (as well as of other cultures) is an interesting and very important tool to put ideas into perspective.
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Australian government is run by idiot if this ruling is true.
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Australian government is run by idiot if this ruling is true.

Well, actually, being idiot is a very common quality in any government, anyway Wink
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You got me totally wrong, I DO NOT condemn polygamy - not my business. What I condemn is the fact that Muslims, being a culture that allows polygamy, harasses people due to adultery. If you want polygamy then stop lashing, killing and god knows what about adultery, polygamy is just another name for allowed adultery! - Usually sexist, like any Dark Aged law.
That sounds like a non-sense sick joke!
I don't know if my English is that bad or you don't even read what I'm saying properly. While polygamy is technically allowed there are too many restriction on it that it's basically very rare and non existance, again your argument is that it's polygamy is allowed yet not adultery, I'm telling you and repeating my self, polygamy more or less not allowed unless it has it legitimacy, (and Just for your information, the reason why polygamy was allowed in the first place, was to protect women in difficult situations such, as widows, or women that lost their family with no one to support them, in case of disease or inability and this at the time where women used to not work and couldn't support them selfs or families .....ect why of course there is always a minority and the minority that would wants to abuse the system for their own pleasure, but we cannot take such a minority as a general rule and that's what you are doing right now!
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I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.

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Again:

I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.

You've made 5 lengthy posts describing how polygamy is unfair and it is adultery and it is allowed in Islam while at the same Islamic law on adultery are harsh so this position and biased, and no you are telling me that you don't care about polygamy? you are just being to dodgy here, so you admit that your previous argument doesn't stand, so we can talk about "honor killing" ?
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Again:

I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.

You've made 5 lengthy posts describing how polygamy is unfair and it is adultery and it is allowed in Islam while at the same Islamic law on adultery are harsh so this position and biased, and no you are telling me that you don't care about polygamy? you are just being to dodgy here, so you admit that your previous argument doesn't stand, so we can talk about "honor killing" ?

No I didn't. You are so up to moral judgments that pointing out the simple FACT that polygamy is a form of adultery is seen by you as criticism. It's only unfair for sexism.

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