USA to be dismantled by internal & external threats

[jaysabi]

Jaysabi, I am willing to put my real name here and my permanent contact info.

Will you accept my challenge to do this same?

Because I want to make sure I can call you out when all this comes true and see what your reaction is then.

How are you going to feel when everything I have written comes true? Honestly? Will you feel any shame for being a dumb-ass?

I remember you from the discussion of Obama's take-over plan for the internet, a.k.a. net neutrality regulation. You are a socialist pig. Your type of thinking dies hard in chaos, deprivation, and mega-death.

Btw, I see another thread on this topic:

Story is at Redflag site, doesn't seem to be loading.
As well on some of the political discussion sites I've used, threads speaking of government corruption and related I've seen deleted.  You can use google cache to access some stuff that is down or has been removed.

This site http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/breaking-several-admirals-and-generals-accusing-obama-of-treason ?
They accuse Obama of being a communist!! xD I don't think they know what that means lol.
I didn't read everything but at least the arming of groups that are said to be terrorists isn't new. You need to change a lot more than the president for that to change. : /

Lol, you're gonna be posting on the internet that the global EMP and nuclear war somehow managed not to destroy? You're more delusional than I first thought.

Oh, you're one of those conspiratards from the Obummer's gonna ruin the internet thread? Nice new name you got there, your bullshit makes a lot more sense now. Hey, how's the disintegration of the internet been treating you since your worst nightmare has come true? When are my rates going up and when is Obama gonna break all the internets? I can't believe it hasn't happened already!1!!

[wearefucked]

Jaysabi predictably did not accept my challenge for both of us to provide our real names and permanent contact info. Instead he did a weasel words reply asserting that I expected the recent Obama takeover of the internet to have an instant effect which is obviously never what I said would happen.

I am pretty well convinced that Jaysabi is a paid shrill of the government and that is why he will not provide verifiable contact information. I for one would call and speak to him personally, because I would love to have a live debate with him. I would destroy him intellectually and he knows it and thus hides from me.

Beliathon & galdur, you must distinguish between usury model "capitalism" of the industrial age with the knowledge capital of the fledgling Knowledge Age. Stored money is not the real capital in an economy, thus I think you misplace blame on capitalism when in fact what we have now is not capitalism rather socialism or collectivism. I explained this in great detail throughout the One-World Reserve Currency thread and the Economic Devastation thread.

[jaysabi]

Jaysabi predictably did not accept my challenge for both of us to provide our real names and permanent contact info. Instead he did a weasel words reply asserting that I expected the recent Obama takeover of the internet to have an instant effect which is obviously never what I said would happen.

I am pretty well convinced that Jaysabi is a paid shrill of the government and that is why he will not provide verifiable contact information. I for one would call and speak to him personally, because I would love to have a live debate with him. I would destroy him intellectually and he knows it and thus hides from me.

Beliathon & galdur, you must distinguish between usury model "capitalism" of the industrial age with the knowledge capital of the fledgling Knowledge Age. Stored money is not the real capital in an economy, thus I think you misplace blame on capitalism when in fact what we have now is not capitalism rather socialism or collectivism. I explained this in great detail throughout the One-World Reserve Currency thread and the Economic Devastation thread.

Hold on, lemme just post my personal information for some whackadoo on the internet. 

Come at me with all your intellect bro. You're making an epic case for how superior it is with your deep reverence of conspiracy theories and your confusion of the word "shill" (noun: an enthusiastic hawker of ideas) with the word "shrill" (adjective: high pitched and piercing). URSOSMRT! Or best yet, your conclusion that anyone who doesn't agree with you or post their personally identifiable information on the internet must obviously be a government agent.  If that's the level of intellect I could expect to encounter in a debate with you, I'll gladly pass up the opportunity to waste my time.

[wearefucked]

with your deep reverence of conspiracy theories

Perhaps you haven't noticed that one of the articles I linked in the opening post on this threat on the EMP threat comes from the Wall Street Journal. Are you asserting that reputable newspaper publishes conspiracy theories?

Hold on, lemme just post my personal information for some whackadoo on the internet.  

Obviously a paid disinformation tactic. Clever.

Readers will clearly see my sincerity and your obfuscation methods.

You will not reveal who you are and readers know my real name.

Come at me with all your intellect bro.

I have in the past and you were entirely humiliated and caught in an escapable logic error. Do you need to me to provide a link to that past humiliation?

your confusion of the word "shill" (noun: an enthusiastic hawker of ideas) with the word "shrill" (adjective: high pitched and piercing).

Is attacking a  typo with such vengeance the best feeble obfuscation you can muster? And it is mildly humiliating again for you because you are incorrect:

shrill
noun
a shrill sound or cry.

Your irate tone indicates I've already won because I got inside your head and under your skin. I own you.

[wearefucked]

Oh another "conspiracy theory":

Agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration reportedly had “sex parties” with prostitutes hired by drug cartels in Colombia, according to a new inspector general report released by the Justice Department on Thursday.

In addition, Colombian police officers allegedly provided “protection for the DEA agents’ weapons and property during the parties,” the report states. Ten DEA agents later admitted attending the parties, and some of the agents received suspensions of between two to 10 days.


The stunning allegations are part of an investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general into claims of sexual harassment and misconduct within DEA, FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the U.S. Marshals Service. The IG’s office found that DEA did not fully comply with its probe.

The congressional committee charged with federal oversight is already promising hearings and an investigation into the allegations.

[toddtervy]

Corporatism IS capitalism.

The corporatism that became dominant in the eighties and nineties WAS the zenith of capitalism. Capitalism has been declining for the past twenty years. It is a dying system on life support, and the evidence is all around you.

It remains to be seen how long people are willing and able to ignore the slow death of capitalism. How much suffering can we endure before we accept that it's time to start thinking about what comes next?

Well said.  I find people like to spend more time arguing about the cause(or just arguing in general) then figuring out a solution.

[jaysabi]

with your deep reverence of conspiracy theories

Perhaps you haven't noticed that one of the articles I linked in the opening post on this threat on the EMP threat comes from the Wall Street Journal. Are you asserting that reputable newspaper publishes conspiracy theories?

No, I'm asserting you conflate an opinion piece published by a reputable news organization with disreputable sources and believe them all regardless of credibility. Were you confused as to which part of your post was a conspiracy theory?

As an aside, I signed back up to the forum to share some wild conjecture about how the USA might fall into chaos instantly due to an EMP attack by Russia and a military coup that might be lurking already.[/size]

The ETA is 2017 to 2019 for start of full blown war, chaos, and a global pandemic also. Armstrong's reliable cyclical models are all pointing to this.

I believe the powers-that-be have orchestrated these future conflicts as a sort of false flag to bring about a new world order (and one world reserve currency) wherein we are enslaved by the totalitarianism of oligarches in Russia, China, and the USA. In the linked post above, I link to an Armstrong blog post wherein he continues to promote the top-down debt restructuring of for example China as good development. Armstrong would drive us straight into the global Technocracy that the powers-that-be have planned out, bringing us to a 666 world of top-down enslavement. He mischaracterizes this top-down planned circus (remember Kissinger and Nixon were traveling to China!) as "creative destruction".

That's funny, the credible news source didn't say anything about a military coup in the US or a cyclical model predicting a global pandemic or a new world order. That was all your conspiracy theory. But I guess because you prefaced a ridiculous conjecture on an actual news report, the conclusions are completely justified!

[wearefucked]

No, I'm asserting you conflate an opinion piece published by a reputable news organization with disreputable sources and believe them all regardless of credibility. Were you confused as to which part of your post was a conspiracy theory?

Funny I am rereading my opening post, and I don't see any statement from me conflating either the various sources I provided on the potential effects and capabilities for an EMP attack, nor any statement from me that the alleged the occurrence of military mutiny (not coup) is not orthogonal the former.

You even quoted me below acknowledging this is "wild conjecture":

As an aside, I signed back up to the forum to share some wild conjecture about how the USA might fall into chaos instantly due to an EMP attack by Russia and a military coup that might be lurking already.

Again you humiliate yourself because (you have an agenda which clouds your) you lack basic logic and reading comprehension skills. And I notice you haven't asked me to link to the logical ass whipping you received in one of our net neutrality debates.

That's funny, the credible news source didn't say anything about a military coup in the US or a cyclical model predicting a global pandemic or a new world order. That was all your conspiracy theory.

I have made no statement as to the likelihood of a military coup. I only quoted a source about potential mutiny brewing in the ranks of the U.S.A. military. We have many indications that the circumstances surrounding Benghazi are rife with corruption and abnormalities. The latest development in that ongoing saga is our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has refused to reveal all of her communications as Secretary of State having hidden her communications behind a private email server contrary to government norms.

I notice you have not challenged the statistical likelihood that Michelle Obama is not a woman by birth, and implications thereof of the honesty and transparency in the highest ranks of our executive governance.

I fail to understand how a cyclical model which has predicted 100s of events correctly (and many exactly to the day) over the past 30 years and has not made an incorrect prediction, can be characterized as a conspiracy theory.  Even if you successfully challenge the veracity of the model's past performance, the best you end up with is YOUR ontological (taxonomy) error.

The-pot-calling-the-kettle-black on conflation.

Note Armstrong has not yet clarified whether the prediction for a pandemic is 100% probability. Also he has indicated that it was not yet clear if it would be a major event similar to the Black Death or a manageable event such as the HIV pandemic which has spread around the world since the 1980s.

The 2017 to 2019 timeframe for the USA to fall into an economic abyss is ≈100% probable according to this cyclical model which has never been incorrect. Some folks will misconstrue generalized statements from Armstrong about potential events (such as his recent statements about weather becoming more volatile) as specific events that must happen verbatim and will thus erroneously accusing him of being incorrect. Any one who has taken the time to read him exhaustively as I have will understand that over a series of communications he conveys an understanding of the probabilities and specificity of timings. Also those who have access to his paid reports have much greater clarity as the exact qualities (time, price, probability) of his cyclical model. Thus any one making accusations without such paid access has more of an agenda than actual data.

But I guess because you prefaced a ridiculous conjecture on an actual news report, the conclusions are completely justified!

Which exactly again in your mind is "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the capability for an EMP attack on the USA "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the high likelihood (>90% statistically) that Michelle Obama is a man "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the near certain probability of the USA starting to fall into an economic abyss in the 2017 to 2019 timeframe "ridiculous conjecture"? (note the cyclical model time frame for the end of this crisis is 2033, so the bottom of abyss may not be reached until say 2024 or later)

I stated "wild conjecture" on the likelihood of an EMP attack and on the potential for their to be sufficient discord within the military to bring about an actual coup. My rough intuition is that the former is more likely before the latter could become feasible enabled by the former. And both remain "wild conjecture" for me. Armstrong wrote recently that the mostly likely timeframe for the beginning of the spread of war is 2017. I believe his conjecture is the festering in Ukraine will eventually reach a more overt shooting war, either in Ukraine or some proxy. And that eventually this has the potential to spread to a direct attack on the USA.

Wild in this context means the data is insufficient to calculate probabilities with sufficient precision.

I do not characterize them as "ridiculous conjecture", because in the case of the potential for EMP attack there seems to be abundant evidence that such a capability might exist. And in the case of heightened levels of discord and mutiny within the military, we have evidence such as Obama replacing roughly 200 top military officers which afaik hasn't happened in such sweeping fashion in the U.S.A. in recent history, we have the Benghazi morass which continues to fester and grow more bizarre, we have the Syrian incident where the U.S.A. funded rebels are alleged to have chemical attacked the citizens, we have the debacle with ISIS allegedly being an offshoot of rebels the U.S.A. was funding and providing arms to, we have the Iraq theater which Ron Paul warned would end up costing more than $100 billion and by now we are $trillions in the hole there and reentering the military threater 3 or 4 times already after declaring victory how many times.

It seems you are the one with a ridiculous stance.

Also it seems to me you are likely a young, liberal punk with no respect for a fellow patriot who is older and wiser than you. I am nearing 50 years old and I have watched my country slide into a pit of corruption and malfeasance.

Perhaps I am mistaken about you being a government propaganda agent, yet I see you are not willing to put credibility behind your opinions by putting your personal reputation on the line. I have put my real name and identity at stake.

[wearefucked]

I am lacking two very important pieces of data on Michelle Obama's gender.

1. I don't know if the digit ratio statistics are valid for individuals of African ancestry. I noticed in my own experience that black females often have more athletic shoulders and thus more male hormone.

2. I am unaware of any measurement of Michelle's digit ratio, nor am I aware of any medical records indicating which genitalia she has.

The great irony is she could squash the issue very simply by submitting to the same TSA de-clothing body scan microwaves that all Americans have to humiliatingly pass through to board an airplane.

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/airportscans.jpg

[jaysabi]

Also it seems to me you are likely a young, liberal punk with no respect for a fellow patriot who is older and wiser than you. I am nearing 50 years old and I have watched my country slide into a pit of corruption and malfeasance.

Perhaps I am mistaken about you being a government propaganda agent, yet I see you are not willing to put credibility behind your opinions by putting your personal reputation on the line. I have put my real name and identity at stake.

Mate, I was responding point by point which I have now deleted in the hopes of finding a less hostile way to converse with you. First, I am not liberal or conservative. I have liberal values, and I have conservative values. I cannot be placed into an either/or box, no matter how convenient that is for dismissing me. Your assumptions on my age and disposition ("a young, liberal punk") are quite off though, and really seems to have colored how you respond to me, as if you can't stand to have someone you perceive to be younger/dumber than you not respect your life experience. (That's my conjecture, btw.) Taking that baggage into a conversation isn't productive. Opinions are a two-way street, but I've noticed that the more I fight with you to express mine, the more entrenched I get into them. That's also not productive for dialogue. I think more than anything else, it has to do with the brash and dismissive nature in which we both communicate with each other. I would guess based on your responses, you are the same way; that the more you express an opinion that is challenged, the more entrenched you get in forcing the other side to validate them. That's more conjecture, I suppose ultimately it's not important why these conversations aren't productive, only that they aren't.

As for this government propaganda agent, it's just ridiculous. That's fine if you're good with putting your identity on the internet. (I don't know who you are, I have no way of verifying if you actually have. Ultimately, I don't care and it's not important to me.) But I'm not inclined to do so. The thing I find revolutionary about bitcoin is the decentralized anonymity of it. I value privacy (the stripping of it, incidentally, is one of my biggest complaints against the government). I further don't see how putting your name down on the forum will have any consequence whatsoever. So what if you put your name down and are proven wrong? Is anyone going to care? Is that going to mark some shift in your life in some way because you put your name behind an idea that didn't come to fruition? It seems very odd to me that someone would ask for that. I'm not inclined to give up my anonymity, and the stated reason for me to do so is not compelling.

In any event, I don't think our interactions are productive, and I don't think that will change. I'll take an equal share of the blame on that. Hell, assign me more if you want. I honestly don't think either of us is open to considering the other person's perspective, as each of us immediately dismisses the other side, often with insults. I'll bow out for that reason.

I am on the record as saying I don't believe a global war/pandemic is likely in 2017-2019. If it comes true, come back and gloat. I'll still be here under this screen name.

[wearefucked]

Jaysabi bro, thank you. I concur with all that you said. It is possible to verify who I am, and I do think there is more credibility when a person puts their personal identity on the line, but I will also concur with you that it depends on the integrity or conscience of the person thus your valid point about its relative worth being dubious.

I am hoping a global war doesn't materialize. I doubt it would be an all out war in case, because the USA no longer has the capacity to fight an all out war in multiple hemispheres, so the opponents wouldn't need to. The EMP concept is a very innovative because it means Russia could potentially turn some American "patriots" (survivalists, some radical gun owners, etc) into lovers of Russia for providing a power vacuum they could step into. It doesn't drive the world to a nuclear winter, yet could still achieve the goals of altering the global hegemony of the USA.

It is notable that the USA has been decreasing spending on our external military, while increasing spending radically on our internal militarized police force and "homeland security". Is that just a coincidence?

If you are in favor of decentralization, privacy, and Bitcoin (which I share with you), then how can you reason that increased regulation by the government will not hurt our cause?

I understand that you felt that corporations could exert control over the internet and thus it would be better in your opinion to have the government exerting some control over the corporations. As you know, I believe the corporations and government get in bed together and form oligarchies in order to maximize corrupt benefits. Even if we dismiss my assumption of the basic nature of government and corporatism, how would even a top-down control over the internet from government help our cause for decentralization, privacy, and Bitcoin when Snowden has taught us that the government is unconstitutionally recording everything via the NSA?

Any way, I think we could side-step the entire debate about net neutrality, because I believe it is a morass either way so it doesn't really matter what happens on that political issue.

I believe any and all real solutions will come from technology that empowers the individual and renders politics entirely irrelevant. For example potentially using stenography to by pass internet filters, etc..

I am a programmer. And since my health has suddenly improved, I am hoping to actually attempt some solutions. So this isn't just hot air from me.

Thank you again for raising the dialogue to a civil tone. You deserve heaps of respect for that unexpected, upstanding action.

[galdur]

The EMP concept is a very innovative because it means Russia could potentially turn some American "patriots" (survivalists, some radical gun owners, etc) into lovers of Russia for providing a power vacuum they could step into. It doesn't drive the world to a nuclear winter, yet could still achieve the goals of altering the global hegemony of the USA.

It is notable that the USA has been decreasing spending on our external military, while increasing spending radically on our internal militarized police force and "homeland security". Is that just a coincidence?

Well, that´s an interesting point but I doubt that Russia has any real motivation for this. And the U.S. has plenty of nuclear power in subs and bases around the world to strike back. So, it´s mutual assured destruction which means that it won´t happen. Hopefully.

[wearefucked]

The EMP concept is a very innovative because it means Russia could potentially turn some American "patriots" (survivalists, some radical gun owners, etc) into lovers of Russia for providing a power vacuum they could step into. It doesn't drive the world to a nuclear winter, yet could still achieve the goals of altering the global hegemony of the USA.

It is notable that the USA has been decreasing spending on our external military, while increasing spending radically on our internal militarized police force and "homeland security". Is that just a coincidence?

Well, that´s an interesting point but I doubt that Russia has any real motivation for this. And the U.S. has plenty of nuclear power in subs and bases around the world to strike back. So, it´s mutual assured destruction which means that it won´t happen. Hopefully.

That is #1 if you assume this isn't all just coordinated show like it was in WW2 where Bush's grandfather Prescott was financing Hitler.

Also factor in that the scenario enables Kissinger's promise of UN blue hat troops on U.S. soil.

Orthogonally you #2 also assume the USA would opt for mutually assured destruction when it can instead respond in kind with an EMP attack. I don't think the chain of command would allow nuclear holocaust to be initiated from our side. The lurking mutiny is something Obama (and Putin) is surely aware of. The coup would happen instantly because they American people are not in favor of a nuclear holocaust as a response to an EMP attack.

Hey I had already worked out all that logic in my mind at the start of this thread.

[wearefucked]

Oh btw, the reason I was emphasizing that we'd been fooled on Obama and "wife's" sexuality and gender is that it is not outside the realm of speculation that Obama was put in office for the purpose of causing mutiny in the military.

Presumably the masculine, highly logical minds in the military can see clearly what Obama and Michelle really are and plausibly conclude the nation has been taken over by forces that are intent on showing the military how fooled the people are. Thus causing the military coup to forment but be withheld by the lack of awareness (cooperation) of the American public. Thus holding it in the wings to spring forward in martial law post EMP attack with support of the broad, scared public.

These are psy ops. This is the handiwork of CIA (Bush former head), KGB (Putin former head), and the DEEP STATE.

It is plausibly very scripted.

P.S. My ancestor was Isaac Shelby a key general in the revolutionary war and a governor of Kentucky. My name is Shelby Moore. I take my first name from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Shelby

[galdur]

I don´t necessarily assume that Uncle Sam would launch nuclear missiles in response to a Russian EMP attack. It´s more about the threat sometimes being stronger than the execution. Being such great chess players the Russians realize this very well. And it´s easy to start wars but more difficult to control how they develop. That´s why I doubt that the nuclear powers will escalate things much from the usual proxy wars. Unless there´s friggin lunatics in charge which can´t be ruled out totally.

[wearefucked]

galdur that makes sense except that I assume the powers-that-be want to bring society to its knees in order to obtain their one-world new order where nations give up their sovereignty.

I think nations and people will only relinquish sovereignty when they've been thoroughly pummeled.

However I do hold out hope for your scenario too.

[wearefucked]

Kissinger has said we may need 30 years of war & pestilance

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-henry-kissinger-on-state-of-global-politics-a-1002073.html

Interview with Henry Kissinger: 'Do We Achieve World Order Through Chaos or Insight?'

SPIEGEL: Dr. Kissinger, when we look at the world today, it seems to be messier than ever -- with wars, catastrophes and chaos everywhere. Is the world really in greater disorder than ever before?

Kissinger: It seems that it is. There is chaos threatening us, through the spread of weapons of mass destruction and cross-border terrorism. There is now a phenomenon of ungoverned territories, and we have seen in Libya, for example, that an ungoverned territory can have an enormous impact on disorder in the world. The state as a unit is under attack, not in every part of the world, but in many parts of it. But at the same time, and this seems to be a paradox, this is the first time one can talk about a world order at all.

SPIEGEL: What do you mean by that?

Kissinger: For the greatest part of history until really the very recent time, world order was regional order. This is the first time that different parts of the world can interact with every part of the world. This makes a new order for the globalized world necessary. But there are no universally accepted rules. There is the Chinese view, the Islamic view, the Western view and, to some extent, the Russian view. And they really are not always compatible.

SPIEGEL: In your new book, you frequently point to the Westphalian Peace Treaty of 1648 as a reference system for world order, as a result of the Thirty Years' War. Why should a treaty dating back more than 350 years still be relevant today?

Kissinger: The Westphalian Peace was made after almost a quarter of the Central European population perished because of wars, disease and hunger. The treaty was based on the necessity to come to an arrangement with each other, not on some sort of superior morality. Independent nations decided not to interfere in the affairs of other states. They created a balance of power which we are missing today.

SPIEGEL: Do we need another Thirty Years' War to create a new world order?

Kissinger: Well, that's a very good question. Do we achieve a world order through chaos or through insight? One would think that the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the dangers of climate change and terrorism should create enough of a common agenda. So I would hope that we can be wise enough not to have a Thirty Years' War.

http://www.spingola.com/new_world_order1.htm

On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg confidently declared to the United States Senate: “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” [1] James Paul Warburg (1896-1969) was the son of Paul Moritz Warburg, and a nephew of both Felix Warburg and Jacob Schiff, both associated with Kuhn, Loeb & Company which financed the Russian Revolution through James’ brother Max, banker to the government of Germany. [2] A world government is a world without borders, national sovereignty, constitutions, privacy, autonomy, individual liberties, religious freedoms, private property, the right to bear arms, the rights of marriage and family and a dramatic population reduction (two thirds). A world government establishes a slave/master environment wherein the state controls everything.

Consent, using mass population management can be achieved by using elements of Hegelian Dialectics. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831), [3] the political and social scientist and professor at the University of Berlin from 1817 until his death in 1831, clearly defined his philosophical/political concepts that came to be known as Hegelianism. His ideas are still taught [4] and authors continue to elaborate on his philosophies, [5] though inattentive Americans fail to acknowledge or even distinguish their application in our own society despite the obvious and devastating consequences.

“The philosophy which has dominated the Western world since the mid 19th century can be reduced to one tenet—ultimate peace comes only through conflict… It proposes that a clash between ideologies (thesis and antithesis) is a normal historical phenomenon which always results in compromise (synthesis) that advances civilization to a higher level of order. “Conflict, in other words, is good, and peace is not necessarily desirable (or profitable).” [6] The essence of Hegel's dialectical process is that an idea (thesis) is challenged by its opposite (antithesis) creating a crisis, problem or conflict and the two are ultimately reconciled into a third idea (synthesis) or compromise which includes both. As compromise (synthesis) is achieved the process is incessantly repeated, with synthesis posturing as thesis, for sustained conflict-filled advancement. And like spectators at a tennis match, the populace is so totally distracted by the contrived contentious confrontations that we do not perceive the motives of the entire conflict charade. Government creates a crisis for which the public demands a solution. That solution instigates the changes that the government initially wanted but which the people would have been unwilling to accept. It is Order out of Chaos! Worldwide chaos will lead to worldwide solutions which will establish the One World Order.

[galdur]

galdur that makes sense except that I assume the powers-that-be want to bring society to its knees in order to obtain their one-world new order where nations give up their sovereignty.

I think nations and people will only relinquish sovereignty when they've been thoroughly pummeled.

However I do hold out hope for your scenario too.

Well, I´m actually a conspiracy theorist myself and it certainly hasn´t escaped my attention that all this chaos is the result of terrorist attacks and hopeless war adventures. And always as those Hollywoodshows and wars flop the excuse is incompetence. And stupidity. I guess that diverts people from thinking about these issues in psychopathic terms if you get my drift. In any event; those so called incompetent dumbasses are never fired only promoted. Or kicked somewhere upstairs whatever. Got to have you thinking.

[galdur]

It´s just incompetence...

Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the 2011 “Arab Spring,” every regime that the United States has supported in Iraq, Yemen and Libya — including Saleh’s — has resulted in a failed state, with no rule of law and a collapsed economy.

The reportedly hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of U.S. weapons, equipment and supplies falling into enemy hands in Iraq, Syria and now in Yemen are more than just signs of strategic failure. Rather, they’re part of a long list of recent embarrassments, including the poor performance of U.S.-trained Iraqi military personnel when Islamic State invaded Mosul last summer, and the Islamic militant army’s confiscation of U.S. military weapons and supplies in the Iraqi territories it has occupied.

Millions in U.S. military equipment lost as Yemen heads down Syria’s path

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/03/24/millions-in-u-s-military-equipment-lost-as-yemen-heads-down-syrias-path/

[galdur]

Speaking of incompetence, did you know that crazy screwball Victoria Nuland worked for Dick Cheney in Little Bush´s administration and did so well in helping defraud through the Iraq war that Obama had her messing up things in the Ukraine ?