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Ron~Popeil
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March 30, 2015, 10:36:09 PM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
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neurotypical
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March 30, 2015, 11:17:32 PM |
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It would be pretty nasty that reddit delivered private information, but how silly are these agents I think? they all probably under TOR anyway.
Personally i dont care tho, my only drug is making Bitcoin.
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shogdite
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March 31, 2015, 12:05:50 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
I'd like to think reddit wouldn't give up any user information but if they're leaned on hard enough by the feds I'd of thought they would have no choice but give it up. Wouldn't they have to do it by law been as it's related to an illegal marketplace? |
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March 31, 2015, 12:57:06 AM |
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It would be pretty nasty that reddit delivered private information, but how silly are these agents I think? they all probably under TOR anyway.
Personally i dont care tho, my only drug is making Bitcoin.
As far as I know reddit stores the IP address of the computer you use to sign up, apart from logs of the last one month. So unless you have consistently used tor, there may be a trail. |
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March 31, 2015, 01:01:51 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
I'd like to think reddit wouldn't give up any user information but if they're leaned on hard enough by the feds I'd of thought they would have no choice but give it up. Wouldn't they have to do it by law been as it's related to an illegal marketplace? If they got a subpoena for the information they have a choice. They can turn over the information or be shut down and go to prison. |
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Btcvilla
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March 31, 2015, 01:04:56 AM |
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Reddit claimed that they follow U.S law since their a U.S company, are the feds forcing them to (like they will go to jail if they don't)? If thats the case then there's nothing they can do. If it was the other way around then hopefully they wont tell the feds.
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March 31, 2015, 01:09:54 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
I'd like to think reddit wouldn't give up any user information but if they're leaned on hard enough by the feds I'd of thought they would have no choice but give it up. Wouldn't they have to do it by law been as it's related to an illegal marketplace? If they got a subpoena for the information they have a choice. They can turn over the information or be shut down and go to prison. Which the chances of a subpoena is almost 100% so they will be squealing and anyone who is wanted for whatever reason is going to be found unless they have covered their tracks very well "0 chance of that" i would be pretty worried right now if i had been involved with anything dodgy and wasn't sure if i covered my tracks well enough  |
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March 31, 2015, 01:14:38 AM |
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It would be pretty nasty that reddit delivered private information, but how silly are these agents I think? they all probably under TOR anyway.
Personally i dont care tho, my only drug is making Bitcoin.
As far as I know reddit stores the IP address of the computer you use to sign up, apart from logs of the last one month. So unless you have consistently used tor, there may be a trail. They would have to go out of their way to store IPs. If they didn't code into their database there's no data there. |
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fonenumba
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March 31, 2015, 04:41:00 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
I'd like to think reddit wouldn't give up any user information but if they're leaned on hard enough by the feds I'd of thought they would have no choice but give it up. Wouldn't they have to do it by law been as it's related to an illegal marketplace? If they got a subpoena for the information they have a choice. They can turn over the information or be shut down and go to prison. They can also fight the subpoena as being illegal/unconstitutional, however their chances of winning such fight is probably not very good. I am not a frequent user of reddit, however I would think that most of the users whose records are being subpoenaed would pretty much always connect to reddit via tor, plus according to the article reddit only stores IP information for 90 days, so as long as they didn't slip up in the last 3 months there is no reason to think their actual identities will actually be revealed |
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March 31, 2015, 05:02:27 AM |
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They can track them through browser finger printing..... They just looking for a shortcut way to access their information. Tor would have given them some anonymity, depending on their use. Some exit nodes are sometimes compromised. This puts r/Bitcoin in a bad spot with Reddit and as usual the innocent will suffer for the bad stuff a small % of bad people are doing.  |
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LewiesMan
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March 31, 2015, 03:23:47 PM |
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ha ha all the ShadowCash pump and dump idiots that posted there are screwed
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Ron~Popeil
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March 31, 2015, 04:02:47 PM |
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For sure Reddit will give over all the information they have.
If they do I think their reputation will suffer badly within the bitcoin community. Bit coiners make up a large percentage of their user base. Hopefully they do the right thing with this. |
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QuestionAuthority
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March 31, 2015, 04:18:56 PM |
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For sure Reddit will give over all the information they have.
If they do I think their reputation will suffer badly within the bitcoin community. Bit coiners make up a large percentage of their user base. Hopefully they do the right thing with this. I don't think it really matters to them if they lose every Bitcoiner when failure to comply will cost them their business. The only "right" thing to do when a business is faced with a subpoena is exactly what the court tells you to do. I've posted this so many times and I guess no one believes it. This is anomyous:  This will never be truly anomyous:  Stop saying and doing anything on-line that you wouldn't say or do in front of your mother in church on Sunday Christmas Day. Don't break the fucking law. If you just can't control yourself don't post your criminal activity on-line. |
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Btcvilla
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March 31, 2015, 06:28:22 PM |
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For sure Reddit will give over all the information they have.
If they do I think their reputation will suffer badly within the bitcoin community. Bit coiners make up a large percentage of their user base. Hopefully they do the right thing with this. Are you sure? I mostly seen Bitcoin hating on Reddit. If they legaly have to then they will, if they don't then they wont. |
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March 31, 2015, 07:21:09 PM |
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For sure Reddit will give over all the information they have.
If they do I think their reputation will suffer badly within the bitcoin community. Bit coiners make up a large percentage of their user base. Hopefully they do the right thing with this. Are you sure? I mostly seen Bitcoin hating on Reddit. If they legaly have to then they will, if they don't then they wont. Given a choice between losing their reputation within the bitcoin community and going to jail they will choose to lose their reputation. There is no way they will choose to rot in jail for years to save a few bitcoiners skins. |
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Btcvilla
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March 31, 2015, 07:36:30 PM |
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For sure Reddit will give over all the information they have.
If they do I think their reputation will suffer badly within the bitcoin community. Bit coiners make up a large percentage of their user base. Hopefully they do the right thing with this. Are you sure? I mostly seen Bitcoin hating on Reddit. If they legaly have to then they will, if they don't then they wont. Given a choice between losing their reputation within the bitcoin community and going to jail they will choose to lose their reputation. There is no way they will choose to rot in jail for years to save a few bitcoiners skins. Yep, and it also means shutting down the website. Those people did something illegal, the knew the risk, if Reddit has their data then they are off to jail. |
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moriartybitcoin
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March 31, 2015, 11:46:36 PM |
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anyone who uses Reddit darknet forum without TOR is a moron anyway ..
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Btcvilla
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March 31, 2015, 11:50:36 PM |
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anyone who uses Reddit darknet forum without TOR is a moron anyway ..
I agree, if you can't even do highly illegal things online without tor or a vpn should be arrested anyways. |
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hilariousandco
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April 01, 2015, 06:06:42 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
Doubt they can do shit about a subpoena and will be forced to comply or face repercussions. Hopefully the users of reddit used tor or a safe proxy to connect because if they didn't they were being pretty stupid. |
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shogdite
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April 01, 2015, 10:03:37 AM |
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If reddit complies that would do real damage to their standing in the bitcoin/crypto community. I am no fan of reddit but hopefully they stand on the side of privacy on this one.
I'd like to think reddit wouldn't give up any user information but if they're leaned on hard enough by the feds I'd of thought they would have no choice but give it up. Wouldn't they have to do it by law been as it's related to an illegal marketplace? If they got a subpoena for the information they have a choice. They can turn over the information or be shut down and go to prison. Yeah it's a pretty shitty choice, if drugs were legalized like they should be there would be no need for markets like SR. Maybe one day the feds will go after the real criminals [politicians, bankers], can't see it happening anytime soon... |
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April 01, 2015, 11:17:27 AM |
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Yeah it's a pretty shitty choice, if drugs were legalized like they should be there would be no need for markets like SR. Maybe one day the feds will go after the real criminals [politicians, bankers], can't see it happening anytime soon...
Maybe these darknet markets may force the governments to rethink their policies. Once decentralized markets get going I think it's going to be very difficult for them to police and possibly almost impossible to take down. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they try tackle them. |
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April 01, 2015, 05:45:51 PM |
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Yeah it's a pretty shitty choice, if drugs were legalized like they should be there would be no need for markets like SR. Maybe one day the feds will go after the real criminals [politicians, bankers], can't see it happening anytime soon...
Maybe these darknet markets may force the governments to rethink their policies. Once decentralized markets get going I think it's going to be very difficult for them to police and possibly almost impossible to take down. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they try tackle them. You are probably right about that. If you told me 30 years ago that marijuana would be legal in Colorado I would never have believed it. With that said, people want to think they're martyrs for running on-line contraband stores. The customers of these places think they're being persecuted when in fact they're just criminals breaking the law because it suits them. Martin Luther King was a martyr that gave his life preaching to the masses to change unjust laws but he lived within the law. Rosa Parks broke the law without profit, with personal sacrifice to change unjust laws. Al Capone was at least partly responsible for ending prohibition laws but he was just a criminal. Ross Ulbricht is not a martyr. He's just a criminal that went to great lengths to hide his involvement and profited from his criminal behavior. It's too bad young people don't see the difference. Doing whatever you want to do isn't the way to change the laws, that's the way to be a criminal. |
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April 01, 2015, 07:26:52 PM |
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Ross Ulbricht is not a martyr. He's just a criminal that went to great lengths to hide his involvement and profited from his criminal behavior. It's too bad young people don't see the difference. Doing whatever you want to do isn't the way to change the laws, that's the way to be a criminal.
I still can't get over the irony that is your name. You have a ridiculous penchant for sticking up for The Man yet your name is QuestionAuthority. |
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April 01, 2015, 07:43:45 PM |
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Yeah it's a pretty shitty choice, if drugs were legalized like they should be there would be no need for markets like SR. Maybe one day the feds will go after the real criminals [politicians, bankers], can't see it happening anytime soon...
Maybe these darknet markets may force the governments to rethink their policies. Once decentralized markets get going I think it's going to be very difficult for them to police and possibly almost impossible to take down. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they try tackle them. You are probably right about that. If you told me 30 years ago that marijuana would be legal in Colorado I would never have believed it. With that said, people want to think they're martyrs for running on-line contraband stores. The customers of these places think they're being persecuted when in fact they're just criminals breaking the law because it suits them. Martin Luther King was a martyr that gave his life preaching to the masses to change unjust laws but he lived within the law. Rosa Parks broke the law without profit, with personal sacrifice to change unjust laws. Al Capone was at least partly responsible for ending prohibition laws but he was just a criminal. Ross Ulbricht is not a martyr. He's just a criminal that went to great lengths to hide his involvement and profited from his criminal behavior. It's too bad young people don't see the difference. Doing whatever you want to do isn't the way to change the laws, that's the way to be a criminal. I disagree. Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong or immoral. I do think the customers of such darknets are being persecuted because nobody should be punished in the first place for buying drugs and they're forced to flock to the underground due to archaic drug laws, but I don't really buy people like Ross Ulbricht being martyrs, especially when they seem more concerned about doing anything they can whatever the cost to keep their empire running. The real revolutionaries will likely be the people creating the decentralised and free to use ones. I think those are the people who are more likely to bring about change or drug reform laws and nobody can really accuse them of being criminal capitalists if there's no money to be made from fees etc (other than obviously from the dealers themselves but the powers that be know how they can end them and the war on drugs overnight, but the question is that want they want or are willing to do). |
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April 01, 2015, 09:01:32 PM |
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Ross Ulbricht is not a martyr. He's just a criminal that went to great lengths to hide his involvement and profited from his criminal behavior. It's too bad young people don't see the difference. Doing whatever you want to do isn't the way to change the laws, that's the way to be a criminal.
I still can't get over the irony that is your name. You have a ridiculous penchant for sticking up for The Man yet your name is QuestionAuthority. Everyone makes that mistake. The authority I question are the authorities and leaders on this forum. |
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April 01, 2015, 09:04:02 PM |
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Yeah it's a pretty shitty choice, if drugs were legalized like they should be there would be no need for markets like SR. Maybe one day the feds will go after the real criminals [politicians, bankers], can't see it happening anytime soon...
Maybe these darknet markets may force the governments to rethink their policies. Once decentralized markets get going I think it's going to be very difficult for them to police and possibly almost impossible to take down. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they try tackle them. You are probably right about that. If you told me 30 years ago that marijuana would be legal in Colorado I would never have believed it. With that said, people want to think they're martyrs for running on-line contraband stores. The customers of these places think they're being persecuted when in fact they're just criminals breaking the law because it suits them. Martin Luther King was a martyr that gave his life preaching to the masses to change unjust laws but he lived within the law. Rosa Parks broke the law without profit, with personal sacrifice to change unjust laws. Al Capone was at least partly responsible for ending prohibition laws but he was just a criminal. Ross Ulbricht is not a martyr. He's just a criminal that went to great lengths to hide his involvement and profited from his criminal behavior. It's too bad young people don't see the difference. Doing whatever you want to do isn't the way to change the laws, that's the way to be a criminal. I disagree. Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong or immoral. I do think the customers of such darknets are being persecuted because nobody should be punished in the first place for buying drugs and they're forced to flock to the underground due to archaic drug laws, but I don't really buy people like Ross Ulbricht being martyrs, especially when they seem more concerned about doing anything they can whatever the cost to keep their empire running. The real revolutionaries will likely be the people creating the decentralised and free to use ones. I think those are the people who are more likely to bring about change or drug reform laws and nobody can really accuse them of being criminal capitalists if there's no money to be made from fees etc (other than obviously from the dealers themselves but the powers that be know how they can end them and the war on drugs overnight, but the question is that want they want or are willing to do). Then work to change the laws. If a majority agree with you then you will win. Don't just do what ever you want to do and then say, poor me they're attacking me. |
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April 01, 2015, 10:48:37 PM |
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Why does a place like Reddit collect logs in the first place? That is a very stupid thing to do for a site that does not have paying customers. Is there a legal requirement in the US to do so?  |
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April 01, 2015, 10:59:44 PM |
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Why does a place like Reddit collect logs in the first place? That is a very stupid thing to do for a site that does not have paying customers. Is there a legal requirement in the US to do so? Keeping a paper trail - why else? If someone did something major on my website and I could potentially be implicated by proxy, then you better be damn sure I'm covering my ass with access and post logs. |
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April 01, 2015, 11:07:14 PM |
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Why does a place like Reddit collect logs in the first place? That is a very stupid thing to do for a site that does not have paying customers. Is there a legal requirement in the US to do so? I don't think so. They aren't an ISP so don't call under the Stored Communications Act, which amended the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. |
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Btcvilla
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April 02, 2015, 03:39:22 PM |
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Why does a place like Reddit collect logs in the first place? That is a very stupid thing to do for a site that does not have paying customers. Is there a legal requirement in the US to do so? I don't think so. They aren't an ISP so don't call under the Stored Communications Act, which amended the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. They also said once that they only keep your ip for a month and then delete it, so I think they may be safe unless they are newer accounts. |
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