Hitler vs. Stalin

[bryant.coleman]

Stop! the japanese are playing in a whole different league regarding ww2.

Japans view is developing in the direction of completely denying their war of aggression, war crimes and crimes against humanity in all over south east asia.

They also begun to redact their decisions about soldiers proofen to be guilty of crimes against humanity

The Japs committed the most horrendous war crimes in WW2. But they were largely ignored, as the victims were East Asians and South-East Asians, unlike the powerful Europeans. Even now, the Nazi crimes against Jews are well acknowledged. But what about those against the Roma, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and Serbs?

[PayingCharon]

As a society we are going to be more critical of a religious group that has a strong hold in the US being persecuted than just a general country.

[bitcoin_bagholder]

Hitler triggered the WW2, which caused some 80 million deaths in total. He also tried to exterminate various ethnic groups, such as the Sinte (West European) Romanies and Ashkenazi Jews, with great success. On the other-hand, Stalin was responsible for some 10-20 million deaths. Stalin cannot be compared to Hitler. Stalin was evil, but Hitler was beyond that.

Hitler has plenty of competition to match his evilness. Ever hear of Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan?

[Morbid]

a quite different angle for viewing the Nazi phenomenon.
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[Ingatqhvq]

Both of them are bastard.
They all killed millions of people. that's nothing different.
From some point, Hitler may better than Stalin .
Stalin kill more people than Hitler.
And yes, they bring disaster to the world.
but Stalin kill his own people, this they reason people accuse Hitler more than Stalin.

[bryant.coleman]

Hitler has plenty of competition to match his evilness. Ever hear of Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan?

Leave Ghengis Khan.... let's focus more on the recent history. Pol Pot will be an infant in front of Hitler. It is true that he wiped out some 10% of the Cambodian population. But in absolute numbers, Hitler caused almost 80 times more deaths when compared to Pol Pot.

[Daniel91]

I think that both of them was evil people, monsters.
It's meaningless try to compare them based on the facts who killed more people, or if they killed more people in their own country or in other countries.
They represent the worst kind of government, self-centered, without any compassion for people with different ideology, race, religion etc.
Unfortunately, for many people today they are still positive and good examples, and they still have many followers so this really make me worry.

[bryant.coleman]

Unfortunately, for many people today they are still positive and good examples, and they still have many followers so this really make me worry.

There are not many followers of Hitler right now. Some fringe elements might be supporting his views, other than that, Hitler is largely detested by the vast majority of the world population.

The case with Stalin is different. Many people in the former USSR still hold positive views about him, as he is remembered as the one who saved the Soviet civilians from Nazi genocide.

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

They are both evil extremists... the worst that humanity has to offer. So a contest at being evil and winning at it it's not something worth celebrating.

[p.nusia]

they are both equally bad
Its just that Hitler is considered to be worse for weatern Europe, while Stalin for Eatern. Even despite the fact that Russia now is trying to show more positive aspects about Stalin, they would never be able to ignore those awful things he did for the people living in the premises of former USSR

[EvilPanda]

They are both just faces, people with ideas that were adapted and repeated by others. People who followed them and killed in their name are equally responsible.
There were many like them, maybe not as brutal, but do you really have to kill 500 thousand people to be put in one line with Hitler and Stalin? Maybe 100 thousand is enough? Where's the line?

[CIYAM]

Chairman Mao is still idolised in China despite that fact that he killed more Chinese (mostly through his stupidity) than any foreign invaders ever did.

History is basically always a "story" and that story varies according to every single country that teaches the story to their children.

You won't ever find the "truth" behind any of these stories as that "truth" is different according to every other country that has any involvement.

Basically you simply have to decide which "fake version of the truth" you are going to believe in (because the "real truth" will never appear).

[dulldog]

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This was the world facing those in Central and Eastern Europe in the 1930s.  What a choice…as if anyone living there had much of a choice.

Hitler significantly consolidated power in 1933.  The Reichstag fire, election victories (thanks to the support of the German communists, on orders from Stalin), the first concentration camps, an enabling act allowing Hitler to rule by decree.  All big news throughout the western world, compared to the minor news item of the millions killed by the intentional famines and deportations occurring in the Soviet Union at the same time.

Internationally, Stalin was given a pass: “…with the help of many sympathizers abroad….”  Hitler was confronted with “voices of criticism and outrage.”  This at a time when the deaths attributable to Stalin’s policies were infinitely greater than those attributable to Hitler’s.
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Come on, you cannot seriously compare them. I mean they're both criminals, but Hitler went far far beyond all that crime acts that Stalin made.

[bryant.coleman]

Chairman Mao is still idolised in China despite that fact that he killed more Chinese (mostly through his stupidity) than any foreign invaders ever did.

What do you expect from a country where even the Google is censored? But one thing I have noticed is that ethnic Chinese, who have migrated to Western nations are mostly opposed to Communism and Mao.

[Nemo1024]

Chairman Mao is still idolised in China despite that fact that he killed more Chinese (mostly through his stupidity) than any foreign invaders ever did.

What do you expect from a country where even the Google is censored? But one thing I have noticed is that ethnic Chinese, who have migrated to Western nations are mostly opposed to Communism and Mao.

Chinese in modern China have a curious relation to Mao. They've managed to turn him into a trademark. 

[leen93]

can we make a poll hitler vs stalin? 

[CIYAM]

Chinese in modern China have a curious relation to Mao. They've managed to turn him into a trademark. 

Indeed (although unlike many years ago most Chinese do not have a poster of Chairman Mao in their home).

Also China hasn't been "communist' since Deng took over after Chairman Mao died (although many "brainwashed" westerners seem to think that it is).

[bryant.coleman]

can we make a poll hitler vs stalin? 

Hardly anyone in Bitcointalk cares about Hitler. On the other hand, there is a large portion who either detest or approve the actions of Stalin. There are a lot of (Western) Ukrainian and Baltic users who fall in to the former category, and the latter group is made up of Russians, Belorussians.etc.

[Nemo1024]

can we make a poll hitler vs stalin?  

Hardly anyone in Bitcointalk cares about Hitler. On the other hand, there is a large portion who either detest or approve the actions of Stalin. There are a lot of (Western) Ukrainian and Baltic users who fall in to the former category, and the latter group is made up of Russians, Belorussians.etc.

Count me out, as well as a millions of former Soviet citizens, who families were touched by repressions.

Btw, Stalin aside, there is a discomforting parallel between Hitler professing Germans as the superior race and Obama professing America as an exceptional nation...

[bryant.coleman]

Count me out, as well as a millions of former Soviet citizens, who families were touched by repressions.

Btw, Stalin aside, there is a discomforting parallel between Hitler professing Germans as the superior race and Obama professing America as an exceptional nation...

 I was sort of generalizing. There were a few opinion polls conducted in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine (before the civil war), Kazakhstan.etc, which showed good support for Stalin.