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March 31, 2015, 09:21:41 AM
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what are bitcoin pools??
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March 31, 2015, 09:22:16 AM
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yes. details please
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March 31, 2015, 09:23:19 AM
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somewhere you mine bitcoins i think, like extract them
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March 31, 2015, 09:23:53 AM
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Bitcoin Mining Pools. What is Bitcoin Mining? Mining pools are a way for miners to pool their resources together and share their hashing power while splitting the reward equally www.bitcoinmining.com/bitcoin-mining-pools/according to the amount of shares they contributed to solving a block.

source:www.bitcoinmining.com/bitcoin-mining-pools/
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March 31, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
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ok and extract from what?
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March 31, 2015, 09:31:50 AM
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all newbie on one noob question. sounds fun  Cheesy Cheesy
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March 31, 2015, 09:33:11 AM
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If you are talking about bitcoin mining pools then basicaly it's a group of miners who all join up to a 'mining pool' they join all there mining power together so they can compete with the big guys.
Individual mining has not been worth the effort and cost for a long time now.
I guess mining pools kind of join the gap so the small BTC miner can still sort of compete.
Biggest thing to watch out for would be scam pools, they pop up all the time.

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March 31, 2015, 09:35:08 AM
Last edit: March 31, 2015, 09:46:39 AM by Josef27
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It just like...

A bunch of miner (You and the others who participated) who looking for block of gold (block), mines together to get a gold (bitcoin) and whoever get it shares the gold with others.

So, you and the others work together to get a "block" that has bitcoin in it. Then if someone found it, He/She share it with others.
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March 31, 2015, 09:39:50 AM
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if they have to input the 124wdfsxkcjoidh somewhere to define the number of bitcoins it will be equivalent to. then i can write down a bunch of 1234rewdushdiu23hcd put it wherever they put it and by trial and error see how much bitcoins it is equivalent to
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March 31, 2015, 09:41:45 AM
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So much brand new... Shocked

What do you mean by !$HFUAGIFGA or $#FUAGFiu or whatever?
do you mean this https://blockchain.info/blocks or "Hash" that every normal transaction have?
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March 31, 2015, 09:45:21 AM
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is there a number of posts i have to do to climb the ladder from newbie to something else?
Please go to here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0
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March 31, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
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party? where is my beer?  Grin Grin

yes, hash, relayed by, height

those words does not help understand what really is a bitcoin. and where it comes from?
like it was pointed out, ok from block. what block? where you see the blocks? why is a graphic card so important? can a miner (the device used to mine) be used more than once? or is there a limit of coins it can generate?

All newbies buy!
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March 31, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
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that is a serious newbie party  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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March 31, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
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Coins don't actually exist. All the are really are is a transaction history from the blockchain. A miner is used to solve a hard equation and if you solve it you get the block. Right now the block rewards you with 25 bitcoins.
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March 31, 2015, 10:51:03 PM
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What ?

Newbie boobs question ?


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March 31, 2015, 11:41:28 PM
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So many noobs gathered together in one thread!

A mining pool is an entity that combines the power of many miners in an effort to solve a block of bitcoins and reap the reward for doing so.  To successfully solve the block and be added to the blockchain - which is the public transaction register of all bitcoins - the Bitcoin network uses something called "proof of work".  Essentially, you are saying, "I put in a whole lot of work to verify the contents of the transactions in this block that I'm adding to the chain."  As more and more hashing power is added to the network, the difficulty in finding that magic hash increases.  In other words, it becomes harder and harder for you, the miner, to find a valid hash that satisfies the conditions necessary.  If you do find a solution to the block, you are rewarded for your efforts.  Currently, that reward is 25 bitcoins.

Since finding a solution on your own would likely take a very long time, people got the idea of combining their power in an effort to find the solution.  Thus were mining pools born.  Now that you had a bunch of people contributing work, you had to figure out how to reward those people for the work they contributed once a valid solution was found.  Quite a few different methods were devised to reward miners: Pay-Per-Share, Pay-Per-Last-N-Shares, Proportional, Double-Geometric, etc.  What really matters is that you, as a miner, are given a portion of the block reward.  So, instead of waiting a tremendously long time for the full reward of 25BTC for solving a block, you join a pool and get a lot of small payouts as the pool finds blocks.

party? where is my beer?  Grin Grin

yes, hash, relayed by, height

those words does not help understand what really is a bitcoin. and where it comes from?
like it was pointed out, ok from block. what block? where you see the blocks? why is a graphic card so important? can a miner (the device used to mine) be used more than once? or is there a limit of coins it can generate?
Party - Sure
Where is the beer - Check the fridge
Hash - the magic solution that satisfied the network difficulty and allowed the block to be added to the chain
relayed by - the bitcoin node that first saw this hash and broadcast it to the rest of the network.
height - the block number (started at 0, which was the very first block)
where does it come from - from block rewards.  Every block solved creates new bitcoins (until there have been 21,000,000 created)
where do you see the blocks - try looking at the blockchain explorer websites.  http://blockchain.info for one
Why is a graphics card so important - well, it used to be.  Now, it's pointless to try and mine bitcoins with a CPU or GPU
can a miner be used more than once - Yes.
Is there a limit to how many coins it can generate - Yes.  For example, you used to be able to generate a decent number of coins just using your computer.  Now, that computer will very likely not generate any meaningful amount of coin in any reasonable time.

Jonny's Pool - Mine with us and help us grow!  Support a pool that supports Bitcoin, not a hardware manufacturer's pockets!  No SPV cheats.  No empty blocks.
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April 01, 2015, 01:31:27 AM
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what are bitcoin pools??

yes. details please

A bitcoin (mining) pool is a group of multiple individuals agreeing to cooperate in their bitcoin mining efforts.  If anyone in the pool is successful in completing a transaction block, then all participants in the pool get a share of the block reward split up based on the amount of work each participant has contributed to the effort.

somewhere you mine bitcoins i think, like extract them

ok and extract from what?

No. It isn't physical mining, you don't literally "extract" them.  You contribute to the proof-of-work that is used to form a distributed consensus, and in exchange you receive a block reward that consists of the sum of the current block subsidy plus all the transaction fees of all transactions included in the block.

the theory part from wikipedia. that we all know..

but a real explanation.. anyone?

Real explanation of what?  Of what a pool is? Or of what is involved in the process of "mining"?

if anyone interested to help, pm me Cheesy i dont know too  Grin Grin Grin

Help you with what?  PM isn't necessary, I can answers right here?

well i dont know but i enjoy using, no tax Cheesy

You'll need to check with a tax adviser who is familiar with your personal jurisdiction. In most tax jurisdictions you are still legally required to pay tax on bitcoin transactions.

something else i want to add.. since all newbies are here, me too.

the GSDFWERF@$#)(DSO@J that makes an amount of bitcoins, where do they come from?

That mess of letters and symbols doesn't make any amount of bitcoins.

i second that question.. how do the definition of 32dsoihfi sofoi09u3w0ds makes 1 bitcoin?

That mess of numbers letters and spaces does not make 1 bitcoin.

and if that is so,

It's not.

how do people define that !@$DSGDS is one bitcoins.

They don't.  There is a distributed ledger that maintains a list of unspent outputs which are encumbered with a requirement for them to be used as inputs to fund a transaction.  Each output is assigned a value by the person that creates the output.  The protocol rules only recognize as valid a transaction that has supplied in its inputs a total value that is greater than or equal to the sum of the values of the outputs.

where are they INPUT so that the amount is defined?

The initial input of value occurs with the creation of the block.  The miner (or mining pool) assigns a block subsidy to themselves.  The protocol will only recognize a subsidy that less than or equal to the current subsidy level.  If a miner (or pool) tries to reward themselves a larger subsidy, then all other miners, and all peer nodes, and all clients, and all wallets on the network will reject the block and the miner won't get anything at all.

if they have to input the 124wdfsxkcjoidh somewhere to define the number of bitcoins it will be equivalent to. then i can write down a bunch of 1234rewdushdiu23hcd put it wherever they put it and by trial and error see how much bitcoins it is equivalent to

You can write down any number you like and put it wherever you like, but if you don't complete a proper proof-of-work, or your take a subsidy that is larger than the network currently allows, or there is anything else that you've done that doesn't meet the requirements to pass a test of validity, then the entire network will simply ignore what you've done.

i too want to know what really is bitcoins where do they come from. ok from block. block of what?

Block of transactions.  The miner (or mining pool) collects a set of unconfirmed transactions and assembles them into a block.  Then they create a header for the block.  Finally they complete a proof-of-work on that header.  If they can successfully complete the proof-of-work before any other miner does on their block, then they get to broadcast the block and receive the subsidy and fees.

is there a number of posts i have to do to climb the ladder from newbie to something else?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0

i have 1 bitcoin in my wallet. i was paid by it, so now i am into bitcoins Cheesy

how do i sell


Here are just a few options:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0
https://www.coinbase.com
https://www.circle.com/en
https://localbitcoins.com/
https://www.bitstamp.net/
https://www.bitfinex.com/

and what price i can get?

That depends on where you sell it.

obviously people wont pay me the market price.

They might.  It depends on your efforts and your negotiating skills.

Coins don't actually exist. All the are really are is a transaction history from the blockchain.

Correct.  "bitcoins" are just an abstraction that we humans use to make it easier to discuss the process of transferring control of value.

A miner is used to solve a hard equation and if you solve it you get the block.

The equation itself is not that difficult (worldwide the calculation is completed 348,351,298,390,000,000 times per second), but it has to be calculated repeatedly with different inputs each time until the miner stumbles on a resulting value that is lower than the current difficulty target.

Right now the block rewards you with 25 bitcoins.

Correct.  Or more specifically the protocol rules currently allow the miner (or pool) to assign a new value of 2,500,000,000 to any address (or set of addresses) that they like in the first transaction in the block that they create.

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April 01, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
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what are bitcoin pools??

yes. details please

A bitcoin (mining) pool is a group of multiple individuals agreeing to cooperate in their bitcoin mining efforts.  If anyone in the pool is successful in completing a transaction block, then all participants in the pool get a share of the block reward split up based on the amount of work each participant has contributed to the effort.

somewhere you mine bitcoins i think, like extract them

ok and extract from what?

No. It isn't physical mining, you don't literally "extract" them.  You contribute to the proof-of-work that is used to form a distributed consensus, and in exchange you receive a block reward that consists of the sum of the current block subsidy plus all the transaction fees of all transactions included in the block.

the theory part from wikipedia. that we all know..

but a real explanation.. anyone?

Real explanation of what?  Of what a pool is? Or of what is involved in the process of "mining"?

if anyone interested to help, pm me Cheesy i dont know too  Grin Grin Grin

Help you with what?  PM isn't necessary, I can answers right here?

well i dont know but i enjoy using, no tax Cheesy

You'll need to check with a tax adviser who is familiar with your personal jurisdiction. In most tax jurisdictions you are still legally required to pay tax on bitcoin transactions.

something else i want to add.. since all newbies are here, me too.

the GSDFWERF@$#)(DSO@J that makes an amount of bitcoins, where do they come from?

That mess of letters and symbols doesn't make any amount of bitcoins.

i second that question.. how do the definition of 32dsoihfi sofoi09u3w0ds makes 1 bitcoin?

That mess of numbers letters and spaces does not make 1 bitcoin.

and if that is so,

It's not.

how do people define that !@$DSGDS is one bitcoins.

They don't.  There is a distributed ledger that maintains a list of unspent outputs which are encumbered with a requirement for them to be used as inputs to fund a transaction.  Each output is assigned a value by the person that creates the output.  The protocol rules only recognize as valid a transaction that has supplied in its inputs a total value that is greater than or equal to the sum of the values of the outputs.

where are they INPUT so that the amount is defined?

The initial input of value occurs with the creation of the block.  The miner (or mining pool) assigns a block subsidy to themselves.  The protocol will only recognize a subsidy that less than or equal to the current subsidy level.  If a miner (or pool) tries to reward themselves a larger subsidy, then all other miners, and all peer nodes, and all clients, and all wallets on the network will reject the block and the miner won't get anything at all.

if they have to input the 124wdfsxkcjoidh somewhere to define the number of bitcoins it will be equivalent to. then i can write down a bunch of 1234rewdushdiu23hcd put it wherever they put it and by trial and error see how much bitcoins it is equivalent to

You can write down any number you like and put it wherever you like, but if you don't complete a proper proof-of-work, or your take a subsidy that is larger than the network currently allows, or there is anything else that you've done that doesn't meet the requirements to pass a test of validity, then the entire network will simply ignore what you've done.

i too want to know what really is bitcoins where do they come from. ok from block. block of what?

Block of transactions.  The miner (or mining pool) collects a set of unconfirmed transactions and assembles them into a block.  Then they create a header for the block.  Finally they complete a proof-of-work on that header.  If they can successfully complete the proof-of-work before any other miner does on their block, then they get to broadcast the block and receive the subsidy and fees.

is there a number of posts i have to do to climb the ladder from newbie to something else?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0

i have 1 bitcoin in my wallet. i was paid by it, so now i am into bitcoins Cheesy

how do i sell


Here are just a few options:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0
https://www.coinbase.com
https://www.circle.com/en
https://localbitcoins.com/
https://www.bitstamp.net/
https://www.bitfinex.com/

and what price i can get?

That depends on where you sell it.

obviously people wont pay me the market price.

They might.  It depends on your efforts and your negotiating skills.

Coins don't actually exist. All the are really are is a transaction history from the blockchain.

Correct.  "bitcoins" are just an abstraction that we humans use to make it easier to discuss the process of transferring control of value.

A miner is used to solve a hard equation and if you solve it you get the block.

The equation itself is not that difficult (worldwide the calculation is completed 348,351,298,390,000,000 times per second), but it has to be calculated repeatedly with different inputs each time until the miner stumbles on a resulting value that is lower than the current difficulty target.

Right now the block rewards you with 25 bitcoins.

Correct.  Or more specifically the protocol rules currently allow the miner (or pool) to assign a new value of 2,500,000,000 to any address (or set of addresses) that they like in the first transaction in the block that they create.




thankyou.. i really appreciate. lots of things i didnt understand but you managed to unceil most of them in one post
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April 03, 2015, 05:18:19 AM
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considering the reward is 25bitcoins, and 20 people or more in one pool, its a lot of power usage for 1 bitcoin
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April 03, 2015, 01:20:25 PM
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considering the reward is 25bitcoins, and 20 people or more in one pool, its a lot of power usage for 1 bitcoin
No, there are usually like thousands or tens of thousands of people currently mining in one pool, from what I remember.  Might be even more now.
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