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October 04, 2012, 04:34:39 AM
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Cool another scam/scam circlejerk/bunch of idiots handing out their money to a criminal (despite what his "wife" thinks). What a great day for bitcoin!

How are you making 2.5% a week, Mr. Anonymous Internet Business Genius Patrick "Pirateat40 has a AAA credit rating" Harnett?


I am not a ''wife'' but an actual real life wife (got the ring to prove it). Sadly I'm not feeding the trolls any more (despite the entertainment it would provide). Hence my absence from this forum of late...
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October 04, 2012, 04:40:07 AM
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Is bitcoin lending pretty much dead as a market segment now ?

I suspect loaning them to yourself-on-some-service as collateral might be the new "thing" to take its place;

that is, instead of loaning your bitcoins, using them as collateral to borrow other things.

That way you need not lose out on the gains in value your bitcoins make while "using" them to invest in other things.

-MarkM-


Sure. Someone could setup a service where you deposit bitcoins and can receive USD or other funny money and pay "normal" interest rates on that. Much better than trying to borrow bitcoins at insane rates plus if they default you have their bitcoins  Smiley

The lending segment isn't completely dead, but there is a group of people that have tried their best to kill it off because their opinion is everyone is dishonest.  I know a couple of people still doing lending, and I still get requests to finance various things.

(and seeing this post explains the question about BTC/USD collateral I've just sent a reply to.  In essence, if someone wants to deal in a real currency, make sure you have the right financial licenses/structure/compliance because that is an area where regulations do apply.)

Here are 2 reasons its collapsed -
Many of the depositors lied about insurance.
Most of them have defaulted, the latest being Kluge.


You cant call people trolls if they ask the remaining services if they can cover their obligations or not.

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October 04, 2012, 04:41:19 AM
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Weekly returns paid (0.4688% for the week).

Did you use the Kraken IPO to simply offload your personal pirate debt onto new investors and what percentage of funds raised are exposed to toxic debt?




No, there was no personal or pirate debt moved into Kraken.

Have you used any of the Kraken funds to pay out Starfish Bank depositors ?

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October 04, 2012, 04:46:32 AM
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Have you used any of the Kraken funds to pay out Starfish Bank depositors ?

Kraken funds were used to buy assets held by the Kraken fund.
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October 04, 2012, 04:56:35 AM
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Have you used any of the Kraken funds to pay out Starfish Bank depositors ?

Kraken funds were used to buy assets held by the Kraken fund.

Can you explain what the assets are more clearly ? For example real estate being sold under mortgage distress ? Payday loans ?

Would you get an independent audit done ?




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October 04, 2012, 05:07:35 AM
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Have you used any of the Kraken funds to pay out Starfish Bank depositors ?

Kraken funds were used to buy assets held by the Kraken fund.

Can you explain what the assets are more clearly ? For example real estate being sold under mortgage distress ? Payday loans ?

Would you get an independent audit done ?





Are you an investor via a pass-through, or just asking a bunch of questions?  (i.e. why do you care)
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October 04, 2012, 05:09:02 AM
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How much pirate debt does kraken hold ?  Are you taking any steps to recover those funds ?




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October 04, 2012, 05:10:04 AM
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Have you used any of the Kraken funds to pay out Starfish Bank depositors ?

Kraken funds were used to buy assets held by the Kraken fund.

Can you explain what the assets are more clearly ? For example real estate being sold under mortgage distress ? Payday loans ?

Would you get an independent audit done ?





Are you an investor via a pass-through, or just asking a bunch of questions?  (i.e. why do you care)

Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.

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October 04, 2012, 05:14:23 AM
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Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.

Thought that might be the case based on your earlier posts.
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October 04, 2012, 05:26:20 AM
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Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.

Thought that might be the case based on your earlier posts.

The glbse fund is a bit light on as far as a product disclosure document  Tongue

I suppose I could ask the guy who offered the security on glbse but Im not sure if he has all the information required.

Would you be ok with sharing with him some more details and he can in turn pass it on to share/bond holders ?


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October 04, 2012, 06:10:50 AM
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Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.

Thought that might be the case based on your earlier posts.

The glbse fund is a bit light on as far as a product disclosure document  Tongue

I suppose I could ask the guy who offered the security on glbse but Im not sure if he has all the information required.

Would you be ok with sharing with him some more details and he can in turn pass it on to share/bond holders ?



Running out of time for today, and for the next few days - out of town/limited internet access, but yes - the questions are reasonable.
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October 04, 2012, 09:18:21 AM
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This sits in "Securities" rather than my usual lending section thread because it is a little more aggressive in approach and not as reliable.

Based on some work I have been doing I believe there is space for this particular fund and because it is a little different labelling it Kraken seems appropriate.

Basic parameters:
  • Fund commences 19 August 2012.  
  • Investments may be made in multiples of 100BTC.
  • Withdrawals may be made in multiples of 100BTC.
  • Contributed capital is backed by my personal funds.
  • Returns will be paid weekly (currently planning on Fridays) - no compounding or automatic reinvestment.
  • Target and maximum return 2.5% per week. (for the ponzi people, that would be 361% annually, but it's only 130% because it is non compounding.)
  • Minimum weekly return 0% - any losses will be funded personally.

You will need to request a unique deposit address and supply a unique return address.  I will have a sensible limit on the number of investors because I don't want to spend my whole life doing weekly payments.
Returns obtained over and above 2.5% are taken as my fee - that's how I can afford to support the minimum return and "insure" the capital.  If I have coins sitting idle, they don't lose money, but impact on the average return.

Obviously the question is "What am I doing with the coins?"  
If I was to provide a simple answer like buying 50 BFL singles and going mining, or putting 10,000 coins into XYZ asset on GLBSE then there wouldn't be much science in that and it would ruin the market that I am looking at.
Also, I do expect people to assume funds might simply be going into BS&T and accuse me of feeding an illegal activity.  Due to the vitriol that goes with that, this will not be an open thread because there will be no point debating that.

So what am I going to use funds for?  Some will be going into my "vulture" capital business interests, some into some long-term BTC investments I have held in real-life ventures (such as an equipment manufacturer), some in BTC assets, a small amount of futures trading, some into various risk/reward adjusted investments that are available in the bitcoin world.

Edit: Currently 25 registered users.  18 currently paid.
Edit 19Aug: The largest commitment made was 1000 coins, and that was before the closure of one of the largest (and smartest) BTC operations.  In fairness, I consider a 1,000 maximum per account is appropriate making the absolute maximum size of Kraken Fund 25,000.

Kraken Fund#2 wait list (several):
HonsetBob, Rolo TonyBrown Town, BinaryMage, aghori, EskimoBob, Onichan, LoweryCBS, coinft, Mousepotato, Goelmer, CecilNiosaki, bruiser, Gigavps, "pm page 122", Electricbees, Macboy80, Brunic, Coin.Karma, Litecoin, Simonk83, DeadTerra, mb300sd, ScottJ, REF, nave, Soros Shorts, ShadowAlexey, Cobra

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-"vulture" capital business interests
 -equipment manufacturer
-some in BTC assets
 
What percentage of the fund is invested in each of these segments ?

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October 04, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
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All that is fully disclosed to participants in the fund. If you're not it is really none of your business.

Good day.
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October 04, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
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Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.
If your pass through shares were on GLBSE then you have bigger fish to fry now.

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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October 05, 2012, 05:02:28 AM
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All that is fully disclosed to participants in the fund. If you're not it is really none of your business.

Good day.

I wasnt asking you.

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October 05, 2012, 05:03:13 AM
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Im have some kraken passthrough shares. Im just trying to ascertain the risk profile and how much toxic debt is loaded into the fund.
If your pass through shares were on GLBSE then you have bigger fish to fry now.

Sure. I didnt send glbse 10 000 btc though  Grin

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October 05, 2012, 10:00:20 PM
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All that is fully disclosed to participants in the fund. If you're not it is really none of your business.

Good day.

I wasnt asking you.

No he was asking me - he could have done it directly, but chose to do it here.  I've also received a request from a pass-through operator if it would be ok releasing the newsletter to their investors/depositors.

I noted the question about toxic assets and will be answering that for bitcoin.me.
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October 05, 2012, 11:57:48 PM
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Are you condoning pass throughs for Kraken then? I find that quite surprising considering the nature of the fund and the wind-down of Starfish.
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October 06, 2012, 01:11:46 AM
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Are you condoning pass throughs for Kraken then? I find that quite surprising considering the nature of the fund and the wind-down of Starfish.

he already gave his permission for the passthrough so he cant wihdraw it now.

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October 06, 2012, 01:53:44 PM
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How is the GLBSE shutdown going to effect Kraken?
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