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Author Topic: FORGET Skynet. AI is already taking jobs from humans. What are we going to do?  (Read 1065 times)
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April 02, 2015, 01:25:16 PM
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22630151.700-ai-interns-software-already-taking-jobs-from-humans.html?page=1

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People have talked about robots taking our jobs for ages. Problem is, they already have – we just didn't notice.

This isn't dumb automation that can rapidly repeat identical tasks. It's software that can learn about and adapt to its environment, allowing it to do work that used to be the exclusive domain of humans, from customer services to answering legal queries.

These systems don't threaten to enslave humanity, but they do pose a challenge: if software that does the work of humans exists, what work will we do?

David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, says automation has tended to reduce drudgery in the past, and allowed people to do more interesting work.

"Old assembly line jobs were things like screwing caps on bottles," Autor says. "A lot of that stuff has been eliminated and that's good. Our working lives are safer and more interesting than they used to be."

A surging trend in the automation of jobs is increasingly putting more and more people out of work. It has been suggested this is a good thing, as it will free people from tedious jobs and allow them to perform more interesting ones. I find it ridiculous to believe that the people who are currently doing these kinds of jobs simply lack the motivation to find better and more interesting work. Without caring political or economic systems (such as a 'gift society/economy') in place, dwindling employment opportunities are threatening to become a global epidemic, while the gap between 'the haves and have nots' continues to grow exponentially.

I'm not calling for a rebellion against automation, but a re-evaluation of our values, our purpose in life and of our responsibilities towards one another and indeed all life on this planet. I would like to see us overcome greed and envy, in the wake of automation, and evolve into a more caring society.

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April 02, 2015, 01:37:21 PM
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I kinda like the Jetsons idea.

Let the robots take over everything. But don't let them be able to do anything that harms people.

Just think. Early retirement, like age 18. On welfare for life, all needs supplied, robots giving us everything, even repairing themselves.

But, if I want to work, I have the freedom to do so. My freedom includes that I can actually fit in and produce products for the betterment of society, right alongside the robots.

Sounds good to me.

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April 02, 2015, 02:05:26 PM
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All i see is increase in Obesity, Unemployment, Poverty, Wealth of company owners.

Seems bright future for mankind Tongue

We can't do anything, I think its inevitable.
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April 02, 2015, 02:22:15 PM
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It's purely people who refuse to adapt and decide to place the blame on inanimate objects as usual because it's easier, rather than going out and learning new skills or picking up ways to compete they bitch and moan and since they target political groups and governments with these complaints it actually ends up holding back progress.

Yeah, people love to blame inanimate objects for all their problems instead of taking a look at themselves, because that would mean admitting they were wrong about something.
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April 02, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
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The idea of robots taking over everything is not a practical idea. Why not? Because robot operations don't pay people. So, who can afford to buy the products robots make? Certainly not people. And the robots don't need the products. So, the company fails.

The way this will work is when the robots can manufacture the products cheaply enough that people can afford them. People will have jobs that the robots will not take over - at least, not for a long time. These jobs will be low-paying jobs. So, the robot factories will need to make their products extremely cheaply, just so that people can afford them.

Ultimately, the products will cost nothing, because the robots will have taken over all the jobs, and the only way the people can get the products is to get them for free. This is not really a practical idea, because people will always invent new jobs that the robots will not have the ability to do until somebody invents robots to do the new jobs. There might be some kinds of jobs that robots will never be applied to, like inter-human friendship and enjoyment - which might become a job in absence of all else.

Anybody who wants to extend AI-robot operation, should start to make the robots to have jobs among themselves, so that when humans fail to buy, they will be producing some items that other robots will buy. This will maintain profits, and keep the robot companies going.

As for obese people, not everyone remains inactive. There are loads of people, who, if they didn't have to work on a job, would travel the country on bicycle. AI-robots might actually be the cause of the reduction of obesity.

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April 02, 2015, 02:29:26 PM
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80% of my posts are made by this guy...









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April 02, 2015, 02:46:39 PM
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Robots Will Steal Your Job, but That's OK: Federico Pistono

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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April 02, 2015, 03:03:02 PM
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I guess this is inevitable. We must adapt and invent jobs what would be difficult to automate. Rediscovering our local communities maybe an even better idea. In a strong community no one will change the well known faces to robots.

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April 02, 2015, 03:07:42 PM
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Look, it isn't any different that it has been forever. It's called competition. If you think that somebody can invent a form of AI that can out-think people, you might be right; but it won't happen for a million years or so.

All it is, is competition. We'll do the same as always. We'll compete, even if the form of competition comes to be known as "the robot wars."

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April 02, 2015, 03:19:57 PM
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Another fantastic recommendation from you, my friend. Smiley
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April 02, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
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Forbidden Planet. A much better theme than Lost in Space, don't you think? Of course, the old Zorro might not agree.

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April 03, 2015, 05:43:10 AM
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Another fantastic recommendation from you, my friend. Smiley
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"Every human being is an invaluable masterpiece from the moment they're born and we as a species are meant for great things. Greater than we can even conceive, right now... and compulsory work for the sake of survival is an obstacle to achieving these goals."
Glad to be of service.

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April 03, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
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The vast majority of jobs are already obsolete, it's not if they will be extinct but how soon.

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April 03, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
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the jobs can be supplied with hobbies passions,

lets print money for all for no upset robots with low sells
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April 03, 2015, 10:51:26 PM
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Bow down to our robot overlords!

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April 04, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
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[…]

A surging trend in the automation of jobs is increasingly putting more and more people out of work. It has been suggested this is a good thing, as it will free people from tedious jobs and allow them to perform more interesting ones. I find it ridiculous to believe that the people who are currently doing these kinds of jobs simply lack the motivation to find better and more interesting work. Without caring political or economic systems (such as a 'gift society/economy') in place, dwindling employment opportunities are threatening to become a global epidemic, while the gap between 'the haves and have nots' continues to grow exponentially.

I'm not calling for a rebellion against automation, but a re-evaluation of our values, our purpose in life and of our responsibilities towards one another and indeed all life on this planet. I would like to see us overcome greed and envy, in the wake of automation, and evolve into a more caring society.[/color]
(Red colorization mine.)

You addressed your own concerns; “automation” can’t do that.

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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April 04, 2015, 01:12:19 AM
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What makes you think we would even need money?
How does nature do it? It's definitely not a free system, but it is a very efficient one. It takes the resources it has and manages them flawlessly, repairing areas according to available conditions.
"Nature abhors a vacuum."

and all off sunlight.

our natural system is quietly inching it's way to the absolute zero point; We can help it by imitating it. We too are on our way to the zero energy point.
As our automation grows, our software becomes more freely available, information flows freely enhancing and exposing all choices and possibilities to all.
Having access to powerful free software that enhances our ability to create and understand the world, manufacturing efficiency of an unprecedented scale... we will not need money.
Machines will be set in motion to enhance your will upon the world, digital copies of you will exist in cyberspace looking out for you. Any object can be made or recycled at no cost, because machines don't need money.

They can do the difficult job of mining; They can run space missions, take care of our banking... if it can be automated it should be and the tools to create incredible things should be freely available.

But of course we are a good 20 years away from something like that... if we're lucky. It'll probably just be a big battle as people suddenly realize... they got nothing to do. Those jobs defined them, i'm sure we'll find a place for that in an efficient future.

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April 04, 2015, 01:24:34 AM
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What makes you think we would even need money?
How does nature do it? It's definitely not a free system, but it is a very efficient one. It takes the resources it has and manages them flawlessly, repairing areas according to available conditions.
"Nature abhors a vacuum."

and all off sunlight.
(Red colorization mine.)


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 “Possession” references abstractions of “the act of exerting control” and is, therefore, hyperreal.

  Nature is perceived and is not, therefore, hyperreal.

∴ Possession does not exist in nature.

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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