searching for loans with low interest (searching for escrow)

[waterpile]

why are you asking for a loan while providing a currency exchanges?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011507.new#new

[leen93]

why are you asking for a loan while providing a currency exchanges?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011507.new#new

because that's a separate thing, the money is for investing (and you would know it if you read the full topic), currency exchange is just another way i try to make some money

[leen93]

low amounts without collateral are also fine!

[redsn0w]

low amounts without collateral are also fine!

I can give you 0.05 btc if you want, and the collateral will be your forum account. Let me know if you agree or not, thanks for the attention.

[leen93]

low amounts without collateral are also fine!

I can give you 0.05 btc if you want, and the collateral will be your forum account. Let me know if you agree or not, thanks for the attention.

how does it actually work with the forum account? if i can keep access to it it's fine for me.
i sent you a message

[leen93]

I came up with another idea

you invest 5 BTC in a gambling website (through an escrow)
i give you 0.1% daily (no matter what)
and the profit/loss from the gambling website is mine
and i provide 1 BTC collateral to the escrow (and when losses occur I provide more collateral, when profit comes some part is divested and put to my account)
(e.g. when big losses of e.g. 0.5 btc occurs escrow immediately gets out and asks me for more collateral)

[EcuaMobi]

how does it actually work with the forum account? if i can keep access to it it's fine for me.

No of course you can't have access to it. Otherwise you could change the email and password at any time and it wouldn't guarantee anything at all for the lender. Are you seriously asking this?

I came up with another idea

you invest 5 BTC in a gambling website (through an escrow)
i give you 0.1% daily (no matter what)
and the profit/loss from the gambling website is mine
and i provide 1 BTC collateral to the escrow (and when losses occur I provide more collateral, when profit comes some part is divested and put to my account)
(e.g. when big losses of e.g. 0.5 btc occurs escrow immediately gets out and asks me for more collateral)

Some questions and comments about this:
- How would an escrow guarantee 100% the lender his money? The only way he could this is if he keeps the money, however it wouldn't make sense for you. If the escrow just receives the money and forwards it to you then it's absolutely useless. His only purpose would be for you to be able to say "this deal uses escrow".
- You want to provide a 1BTC collateral for a 5BTC loan? Of course that's not enough, you need to cover about 120% of the loan. You do realize that's the same as asking for a 4-BTC no-collateral loan, right? Are you just playing fool?
- What happens if you just dissappear when the escrow "immediately gets out and asks for more collateral"? How would the lender secure his money?

If you need a loan then read the rules and offer a valid collateral.

[leen93]

how does it actually work with the forum account? if i can keep access to it it's fine for me.

No of course you can't have access to it. Otherwise you could change the email and password at any time and it wouldn't guarantee anything at all for the lender. Are you seriously asking this?

I came up with another idea

you invest 5 BTC in a gambling website (through an escrow)
i give you 0.1% daily (no matter what)
and the profit/loss from the gambling website is mine
and i provide 1 BTC collateral to the escrow (and when losses occur I provide more collateral, when profit comes some part is divested and put to my account)
(e.g. when big losses of e.g. 0.5 btc occurs escrow immediately gets out and asks me for more collateral)

Some questions and comments about this:
- How would an escrow guarantee 100% the lender his money? The only way he could this is if he keeps the money, however it wouldn't make sense for you. If the escrow just receives the money and forwards it to you then it's absolutely useless. His only purpose would be for you to be able to say "this deal uses escrow".
- You want to provide a 1BTC collateral for a 5BTC loan? Of course that's not enough, you need to cover about 120% of the loan. You do realize that's the same as asking for a 4-BTC no-collateral loan, right? Are you just playing fool?
- What happens if you just dissappear when the escrow "immediately gets out and asks for more collateral"? How would the lender secure his money?

If you need a loan then read the rules and offer a valid collateral.

the escrow would do the investment in the dicewebsite, so collateral will be 6 btc in the dice website from the beginning where only the escrow has access too. please read carefully what i mean
i will not get any btc myself before the loan ends (unless high profits are made during the agreement), if losses occur i increase the collateral.
and he gets out when profit goes down 0.5 btc, then he still owes 5.5 btc which is more than the 5 + small interest i have to pay back
that's why i am saying he gets out soon, but in normal cases this will not happen since i will increase collateral more often when small losses occur

COLLATERAL STAYS ABOVE 100% ALL THE TIME !!!!!!
escrow keeps all the funds, i don't get any satoshi before the loan ends. There is no risk at all
my 1 btc collateral is for covering potential losses in the investment but not for the 5 btc since i don't have them myself and there is no risk in that for the lender

[EcuaMobi]

the escrow would do the investment in the dicewebsite, so collateral will be 6 btc in the dice website from the beginning where only the escrow has access too. please read carefully what i mean
i will not get any btc myself before the loan ends (unless high profits are made during the agreement), if losses occur i increase the collateral.
and he gets out when profit goes down 0.5 btc, then he still owes 5.5 btc which is more than the 5 + small interest i have to pay back
that's why i am saying he gets out soon, but in normal cases this will not happen since i will increase collateral more often when small losses occur

So you would be asking the escrow to gamble lender's money? Of course nobody trusted will be willing to do this.
In the hypothetical case he does, I insist in my third question: what happens if you dissappear when the escrow asks you for more collateral?

[leen93]

the escrow would do the investment in the dicewebsite, so collateral will be 6 btc in the dice website from the beginning where only the escrow has access too. please read carefully what i mean
i will not get any btc myself before the loan ends (unless high profits are made during the agreement), if losses occur i increase the collateral.
and he gets out when profit goes down 0.5 btc, then he still owes 5.5 btc which is more than the 5 + small interest i have to pay back
that's why i am saying he gets out soon, but in normal cases this will not happen since i will increase collateral more often when small losses occur

So you would be asking the escrow to gamble lender's money? Of course nobody trusted will be willing to do this.
In the hypothetical case he does, I insist in my third question: what happens if you dissappear when the escrow asks you for more collateral?

then he gives 5.5 btc to the lender and the lender has a profit of 10%
far more than the interest i earned

and not gamble but invest in a dice website, so take a part of the profit of the website which is on average and in the long run positive. in the short run losses might occur of a few % that's why i provide the collateral.
can someone else who understands what i mean explain it to Ecuamobi, he seems to not understand it but i cannot explain it better :/

Please remove the trust given due to misinterpretation since the collateral stays above 100% in this case and think about it further if you want

[EcuaMobi]

the escrow would do the investment in the dicewebsite, so collateral will be 6 btc in the dice website from the beginning where only the escrow has access too. please read carefully what i mean
i will not get any btc myself before the loan ends (unless high profits are made during the agreement), if losses occur i increase the collateral.
and he gets out when profit goes down 0.5 btc, then he still owes 5.5 btc which is more than the 5 + small interest i have to pay back
that's why i am saying he gets out soon, but in normal cases this will not happen since i will increase collateral more often when small losses occur

So you would be asking the escrow to gamble lender's money? Of course nobody trusted will be willing to do this.
In the hypothetical case he does, I insist in my third question: what happens if you dissappear when the escrow asks you for more collateral?

then he gives 5.5 btc to the lender and the lender has a profit of 10%
far more than the interest i earned

and not gamble but invest in a dice website, so take a part of the profit of the website which is on average and in the long run positive. in the short run losses might occur of a few % that's why i provide the collateral.
can someone else who understands what i mean explain it to Ecuamobi, he seems to not understand it but i cannot explain it better :/

Please remove the trust given due to misinterpretation since the collateral stays above 100% in this case and think about it further if you want

Of course if a very trusted member with experience on this explains better and confirms your loan request is 100% safe I will remove my negative feedback and apologize.
However please note my feedback is not for this request only but for previous suspicious behavior you've had several times, as mentioned in the reference I linked.

[Quickseller]

What gambling website are you wanting to invest in? Depending on the site I may be willing to help you?

edit after:

What the OP is trying to do is borrow 5 BTC and give 6 BTC as collateral, but synthetically. The OP would send 1 BTC to the escrow and the lender would send 5 BTC to the escrow, so a total of 6 BTC would be held in escrow. The escrow would then invest in the bankroll of a gambling site with the 6 BTC he is holding. If the site has negative profits then there is an extra 1 BTC to protect the lender and the borrower would loose. If the site has profits above the amount of interest that is being paid then the borrower would benefit and the lender would get back his 5 BTC plus interest.

The major risk is that the gambling site is not trustworthy and runs away with the entire 6 BTC that the escrow is holding.

[leen93]

What gambling website are you wanting to invest in? Depending on the site I may be willing to help you?

I prefer to not make this public but we can arrange it with you and the escrow when you both agree. I'll pm you with the information.

[Quickseller]

What gambling website are you wanting to invest in? Depending on the site I may be willing to help you?

I prefer to not make this public but we can arrange it with you and the escrow when you both agree. I'll pm you with the information.

Not wanting information to be public is generally a red flag however go ahead and PM me the information

[leen93]

What gambling website are you wanting to invest in? Depending on the site I may be willing to help you?

edit after:

What the OP is trying to do is borrow 5 BTC and give 6 BTC as collateral, but synthetically. The OP would send 1 BTC to the escrow and the lender would send 5 BTC to the escrow, so a total of 6 BTC would be held in escrow. The escrow would then invest in the bankroll of a gambling site with the 6 BTC he is holding. If the site has negative profits then there is an extra 1 BTC to protect the lender and the borrower would loose. If the site has profits above the amount of interest that is being paid then the borrower would benefit and the lender would get back his 5 BTC plus interest.

The major risk is that the gambling site is not trustworthy and runs away with the entire 6 BTC that the escrow is holding.

indeed, that's exactly how it would work, i pm'ed you the gambling website and i guess you will agree this is one of the largest and most trustworthy ones.

[EcuaMobi]

OK I'm re-changing my feedback to neutral for the moment. Good luck with the deal.

[leen93]

What gambling website are you wanting to invest in? Depending on the site I may be willing to help you?

I prefer to not make this public but we can arrange it with you and the escrow when you both agree. I'll pm you with the information.

Not wanting information to be public is generally a red flag however go ahead and PM me the information

i explained why and I hope you understand this reason too, but i don't think it's necessary to be public if only we 2 and the escrow (which should be really trustworthy since he will have a large amounts of our btc) know it it should be fine

[leen93]

Thank you for making it clear Quickseller and thank you for removing your negative feedback Ecuamobi. I hope to do a good deal with you!

[Quickseller]

I am going to pass on the OP's offer. While what the OP is offering does make sense and there is a good chance that the site he wants to invest in is trustworthy, I am not 100% sure it is a good idea to invest in the specific site's bankroll (maybe only 95% sure) and the interest rate is really not high enough to make it worth my while, especially considering my specific situation.

[leen93]

I am going to pass on the OP's offer. While what the OP is offering does make sense and there is a good chance that the site he wants to invest in is trustworthy, I am not 100% sure it is a good idea to invest in the specific site's bankroll (maybe only 95% sure) and the interest rate is really not high enough to make it worth my while, especially considering my specific situation.

Ok, anyways thank you for pointing out that my offer is fine and can be interesting for someone else. I hope to find someone else soon.