Please remove the Digital Goods section

[BitcoinDistributor]

Please keep this section - whenever I have the urge to watch professional porn instead of paying $19.95 for a month subscription, I pay someone $2 for an account from here! Once I finish my business and everything, either way I feel quite mad about how I wasted that money. I'd rather it be $2 then $20 so please keep digital good section.

Thank you. THXS. Merci. Danke. Grazie. 謝謝. блaгoдapя.

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[Quickseller]

I don't think the digital goods section should be removed, nor do I think it is filled with illegal offers.

First of all the laws that are allegedly broken when selling pirated software are IP laws which are generally not viewed as "just" and will not try to proactively enforce them.

Looking at the first 4 pages (158 threads) in the digital goods section, I found the following:
-9 threads that are selling accounts (e.g. netflix, HBOGo, etc.) that are priced at levels that they are likely stolen
-9 threads that are selling gift cards at a large enough of a discount that I can use common sense to say they were probably originally obtained illegitimately
-14 threads that are either selling MSDN related keys or apparently similarly obtained keys (note this is disputed by many, including me, that this is actually against the law)
-2 threads denoting that threads were moved to another section to account for why I only counted 158 threads above

This works out to roughly 20% of the threads on the first four pages that are selling potentially illegally obtained items, however that percentage drops to roughly 11% if you don't believe selling MSDN (and similar) keys is illegal.

Please note that the threads I counted are only apparently "illegal" and I have not actually found actual evidence that laws have been broken, I need to make certain assumptions to come to the conclusion that laws were broken. I also think it is fair to say that some small percentage of items being sold that are "tagged" as potentially illegally obtained are likely legitimately obtained but their seller is simply trying to get rid of them quickly.

[achow101]

+ If you can prove they sell illegal goods in all jurisdictions

It is illegal in several jurisdictions. Even having sex with children recording it and selling the video would be legal in some countries....

Which law will refer to this board?
This is international forum porn is fine in some countries.

The forum forbids a deal if it's illegal in either the buyer's or the seller's country. So I understand you can't publish something that is illegal in your country and you can't make an offer for something that is illegal in your country. However that's hard to enforce because people are not required to disclose their country (and we know little about other countries law). Probably the community should decide some more specific rules (which could be handled by a poll) for common cases that varies per country such as copyrighted goods, porn and so on.

Yes I think so.
I think digital shouldn't removen but we must make the rules to control illegal contents.

[ajw7989]

The section needs to be cleaned up thats for sure. If an extra mod is needed just for that section let it happen. What is legal and illegal is debatable. For example using someone's netflix account to watch shows is debatable but using up some one's dunkin donuts virtual balance is illegal since its stealing their money and hurts them compared to piggybacking someones netflix where they can still use the service.

[redsn0w]

The section needs to be cleaned up thats for sure. If an extra mod is needed just for that section let it happen. What is legal and illegal is debatable. For example using someone's netflix account to watch shows is debatable but using up some one's dunkin donuts virtual balance is illegal since its stealing their money and hurts them compared to piggybacking someones netflix where they can still use the service.

The politic of this staff  (as I have read in the past): is to not moderate the scam or scam attempt because everyone of us should trade with his own diligence (and obviously use always an escrow). Remove that section (as I said previously) will not resolve the problem, and an extra mod will not also resolve the problem.

[chmod755]

Ok, I get it: most people want to keep Digital Goods and the moderators don't want to take actions against bad actors.

Keep in mind that using escrow won't protect you from getting licenses revoked or gift cards reversed - I hate to say that, but I suggest using reversible payment options for purchases in this section (the trust system would be a nice thing if it was reliable)

I'm locking this topic now - stay safe if you're planning to trade Digital Goods.