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April 04, 2015, 10:44:43 AM
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Is there any truth to this tweet?
https://twitter.com/patio11/status/583701441866371073

Patio11 is generally well respected and even though I have been in Bitcoin for a long time, I never heard of this 8 hour shutdown.

His tweets are getting lots of coverage right now.

(The entire tweet storm starts here: https://twitter.com/patio11/status/583696870704152576)

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April 04, 2015, 10:54:12 AM
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I'm hoping someone around when this happened could perhaps chime in and offer a defense?

If there is a defense, then perhaps publically reply to Patio11?
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April 04, 2015, 11:06:39 AM
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Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?
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April 04, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
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Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?
No it's not possible. for shutting down whole bitcoin network you have to shutdown all the nodes or by 51% attack both are not possible.
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April 04, 2015, 11:46:33 AM
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bitcointalk (this website) which is only a forum and NOT a blockchain NOT a currency.. just a website... was down for several hours a couple days ago...

seriously people need to learn the difference or if they know the difference, atleast explain it better.

its like saying wall street trading markets stalled.. where the reality would be that the financial times newspaper was late to press

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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April 04, 2015, 11:55:19 AM
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Actually the Bitcoin network was technically down for sometime (was it 8 hours?) due to a botched update for Bitcoin Core in March 2013 where certain valid blocks were being rejected causing a concensus fork, making it impossible for some users to get their transactions to confirm and miners lost significant revenue. An alert was put out using the Bitcoin Core alert system telling users to downgrade to the last version until a patch is released, and the devs contacted the largest pools asking them to downgrade, I assume this is the "IRC channel meeting" referred to.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

The issue was quite serious and should've been found with some basic testing. Thankfully this is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Bitcoin network.

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April 04, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
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bitcointalk (this website) which is only a forum and NOT a blockchain NOT a currency.. just a website... was down for several hours a couple days ago...

seriously people need to learn the difference or if they know the difference, atleast explain it better.

its like saying wall street trading markets stalled.. where the reality would be that the financial times newspaper was late to press

Right. The forum here was ddosed and not reachable for some hours.However the Bitcoin Network was online and can not be shut down so easily. Some people are really too dumb.
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April 04, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
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Read the rest of the little tit's tweets. It's one long line of bitterness and FUD. And don't you think you would've heard something about it in a rather loud manner on every single thread on every single bitcoin forum and news source if it were true?
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April 04, 2015, 12:11:57 PM
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Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?

you know that bitcoin is decentralized? no one can shut down anything, that's the point of a decentralized system, totally detached from anyone

the OP is referring to the forum btw
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April 04, 2015, 12:29:56 PM
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Here is my response to this guys tweets.

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3/ Western Union spends roughly 1/2 of revenue on local offices by both ends of the transactions. Bitcoin remittances don't solve this.

Do we really need an office on both ends just to transmit funds?

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4/ Bitcoin presently costs on the order of $6.5k per megabyte of data added to the block chain.

Yes it is true that tx's are pretty expensive (I don't know how accurate your figure is). Currently the majority of that is covered by the mining reward, the user only pays a few cents if anything.

The fact is we REALLY don't need an insanely high hashrate to protect the network. We only need just enough to protect the network. If miners aren't getting paid enough, they will switch off, incresing the revenue for every other miner. We don't need an insanely high hashrate. Yes this is bad for miners but miners should know that Bitcoin mining is very new and has significant risks.

Also if Bitcoin becomes big the transaction fees will cover some of the mining reward. This is what Satoshi predicted would happen.

The other thing is changes to the concensus system could make mining a thing of the past, or less important. I believe that one day we may move to another concensus system (such as a hybrid POW/POS like proof of activity) once another concensus system is well studied, tested, understood and has obvious benefits for Bitcoin. This could significantly change this situation.

Also this factoid isn't very useful. The blockchain is designed to store transaction data, which is typically under 1KB in size. Why don't you ask your bank how much they charge for storing your stuff in their vault Cheesy


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I am kind of confused by this statement. I think you are saying that the market cap of Bitcoin was paid out to miners as a fee over the last couple of years.

Please name me one currency that doesn't pay out it's newly minted currency to someone for work done.

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6/ Most advantages of Bitcoin which matter are captured by, and improved upon by, a LAMP app which simply holds account balances.

You are right, depending on what aspects of Bitcoin you see as an advantage. Centralized systems are more efficient. However such a system would end up just like e-gold, libertyreserve, digicash and all the others who tried to make centralized payment systems similar to Bitcoin in the past.

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7/ Bitcoin's Internet cheering squad is a spontaneously organized boiler room. This is Bitcoin's #1 engineering and marketing achievement.

I hate some of the pro-Bitcoiners, in particular the ones who think that Bitcoin is some kind of untouchable God or something. Bitcoin has advantages and disadvantages, strengths and weaknesses.

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This is something that really bugs me. We do need a more defined protocol, but we are getting there. We have BIPS for many things now, which is a good start but we do need better documentation.

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10/ Bitcoin's disaster recovery plan is a) get a cabal of people together in IRC, b) shut down the entire payment network, c) sort things.

What are you talking about? This is not the disaster recovery plan and It is not possible for them to shut anything down.

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Why do you think it needs to be guaranteed?

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This is so true and it is such a joke, take for example the Dorian Satoshi incident or the "Bitcoin CEO is dead" reports, however it's not just Bitcoin. The media are so incompetent at their jobs period.


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April 04, 2015, 12:33:07 PM
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Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?

you know that bitcoin is decentralized? no one can shut down anything, that's the point of a decentralized system, totally detached from anyone

the OP is referring to the forum btw

If all the miners shut down their hardware machines the blockchain will "stop" and die. Because who confims all the transaction? The reply is the miners.

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This is so true and it is such a joke, take for example the Dorian Satoshi incident or the "Bitcoin CEO is dead" reports, however it's not just Bitcoin. The media are so incompetent at their jobs period.

I agree with you and I have stopped to watch the mass media on the television. My unique source of info is internet.
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April 04, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
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Read the rest of the little tit's tweets. It's one long line of bitterness and FUD. And don't you think you would've heard something about it in a rather loud manner on every single thread on every single bitcoin forum and news source if it were true?

Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?

you know that bitcoin is decentralized? no one can shut down anything, that's the point of a decentralized system, totally detached from anyone

the OP is referring to the forum btw

You are both wrong:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

It is posts like these that I don't particularly like, people stating facts about Bitcoin that seem true, others see them and also believe them, yet they are furthest from the truth and the answer was already posted in the thread. This is the reason that people like patio11 exist.

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April 04, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
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Was Bitcoin shut down for 8 hours?



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April 04, 2015, 01:55:06 PM
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Read the rest of the little tit's tweets. It's one long line of bitterness and FUD. And don't you think you would've heard something about it in a rather loud manner on every single thread on every single bitcoin forum and news source if it were true?

Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?

you know that bitcoin is decentralized? no one can forcibly shut down anything, that's the point of a decentralized system, totally detached from anyone

the OP is referring to the forum btw

You are both wrong:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

It is posts like these that I don't particularly like, people stating facts about Bitcoin that seem true, others see them and also believe them, yet they are furthest from the truth and the answer was already posted in the thread. This is the reason that people like patio11 exist.

FTFY

That's usually what is meant when someone says "impossible to shut down".


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April 04, 2015, 01:58:29 PM
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What a nerd.



^ @patio11

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April 04, 2015, 01:58:34 PM
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It appears that OP has no common sense. Everybody knows that a P2P network with 7000 connected peers can not simply be shutdown.
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April 04, 2015, 01:59:38 PM
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It appears that OP has no common sense. Everybody knows that a P2P network with 7000 connected peers can not simply be shutdown.

It appears you are the one without sense as you haven't even read the thread.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

Anyone remember Napster?

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April 04, 2015, 02:01:31 PM
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Read the rest of the little tit's tweets. It's one long line of bitterness and FUD. And don't you think you would've heard something about it in a rather loud manner on every single thread on every single bitcoin forum and news source if it were true?

Is this even possible to shut down whole system by anybody?

you know that bitcoin is decentralized? no one can forcibly shut down anything, that's the point of a decentralized system, totally detached from anyone

the OP is referring to the forum btw

You are both wrong:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

It is posts like these that I don't particularly like, people stating facts about Bitcoin that seem true, others see them and also believe them, yet they are furthest from the truth and the answer was already posted in the thread. This is the reason that people like patio11 exist.

FTFY

That's usually what is meant when someone says "impossible to shut down".

If you want to forcibly shutdown the bitcoin network temporarily, you can do so with a 51% attack, a Sybil, or exploiting bugs/exploits in Bitcoin Core (which is arguably what the March 2013 issue was, someone could've exploited the situation to double spend coins, IIRC OKPay had a transaction double spent). It is incredibly difficult to do, but it is POSSIBLE, and those who say otherwise are misinformed.

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April 04, 2015, 02:04:22 PM
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It is incredibly difficult to do, but it is POSSIBLE, and those who say otherwise are misinformed.
Or ignorant.
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April 04, 2015, 02:08:24 PM
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I don't think "double spend" and "shut down" mean the same thing to most people.
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