What percent of internet Bitcoin poker is Luck vs Skill?

[WhatTheGox]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the size of your bankroll.

Poker is a completely different proposition at the 10cent level than it is at the $10,000 level.

Yeah not wise to play outside what you can afford even if you have +ev decisions.  Best thing though is to focus on +ev vs any other thing.

[WhatTheGox]

If we play 10 hands against Phil Ivey, I am afraid we would lose 9 hands or lose all.

Phil ivey would only have a certain % of advantage, its more that better players have a bigger edge the longer you play them.  Any weak player could beat phil ivey over even 1000 hands.

So in the short term poker is about luck and very little skill.  In the long term poker is about skill and very little luck.

Totally agree with "Phil ivey would only have a certain % of advantage" and "In the long term poker is about skill and very little luck", playing against famous pros likes playing against a casino game has 99%+ house edge. And I watch high stakes poker, great pros like Phil ivey and Tom Dwan won more than loss, weaker pro players hardly win ONE HAND against those famous pros(Phil ivey, Johnny Chan and Tom Dwan).

Imagine we play against him in heads up. He just needs to bet all of our bankroll, and we dare not call when we have bad hands, and he easily get our blinds. Just playing several hands, our money would be run out.  

Why dont you just play your position and bet all in against him and make him fold - the blinds are yours???

Because after doing all ins just for the blinds eventually he will just call you with a semi decent hand and chances are you will be behind 60-40 or 65-35 etc.  Overall the strategy is a loser.

[Jamie_Boulder]

Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?

I believe it's mostly luck with some minor skill (25% sounds accurate).

Unless you're playing a first timer, everyone has some degree of skill/luck & some personalities are just an advantage over others.

[boopy265420]

I gave vote for 25% luck and 75% skill. I strongly believe that almost all the card games are done with skills. Without being skilled person in card related gambling you can't even imagine to win . Luck play its role just to support you little bit but rest it is your skill and trick to win the game.

[WhatTheGox]

Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?

I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge.  Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically.  To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.

[mbitdice]

I can't believe anyone here doesn't think about an anonymous poker site admin monitoring server logs for live hand details.

The owner can see every poker hand live!

[WhatTheGox]

I can't believe anyone here doesn't think about an anonymous poker site admin monitoring server logs for live hand details.

The owner can see every poker hand live!

Yeah i have wondered about this, have to stick with trusted reputable sites/names i guess.  You can always play small when checking out new sites, dont play with what you cant afford to lose.

[98problems]

if you play poker online its 50% luck and 50% skills. and if irl its 75% skills and 25% luck because you can play psychologically

[EvilPanda]

Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?

I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically.  To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.

Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.

[WhatTheGox]

Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?

I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically.  To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.

Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.

Nope it wont help in the short term but a player can only get lucky for so long.  So like in a full ring game usually a fish lasts longer because the format usually helps them have a tighter starting hand requirement and generally have less exposure to the sharks - a fish can be be a winner for over 10k hands etc.  Put a fish shorter handed or heads up and they have to play more "poker", the luck just cant last forever, i doubt a big fish could win over 1k hands heads up vs a shark.

Its pretty crazy game though some of the people who have won the WSOP main event can be very average at poker.  Perhaps the original poll and question could be reworded.

[bitbaby]

Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?

I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically.  To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.

Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.

This is true actually, Skills are very much needed to win at Poker but you really can't beat a guy whose luck is working and no matter what cards he plays he makes the flop every-time.

And you can only show your skills if the hands go to the river, then you can play slow, bluff etc. But if the other person is donkeying on every bet then you just have to play with luck.

I have seen some of the best players lose to a Donk while having the best pre-flop hands.

[fox19891989]

Yes, luck is needed, especially for donk players.

My examples:

1. once I played in betcoin, I was allin with pocket Q, the other one called with 5Jo, and he got three of Jacks, he had good luck although he is a donk call with 5Jo against my QQ.

2. there is a famous all-in guys named kevin235r, he is always all-in with every hand in freerolls in every poker house. He usually beat us with 27o against our A+X or pocket pair

Conclusion, luck is important, takes 25% of this game, but if wanna win in the long term, skills are the most important, because donks can be all-in and win with 27o a few times, but not every time. 

[hasiramasenju]

i vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill because we can not just relying only luck but must have skill and strategy
to win the game

[Wendigo]

short run poker is 99.9% luck
in the long run after many games this luck goes away (in the long run you are lucky [49.999 - 50.001] % of the times) so then it's near to 100% skill.

If it was near 100% skill then the same people would be winning all the time and this is not how gambling works.

[nekochan05]

i vote for Poker is 75% Luck, 25% Skill.
i think all type of gambling basicly depends on luck..
but for poker depends on luck more than 75% and less than 25% depends on player's skill to make decision which better step to be taken..

[grendel25]

I tried poker for a while and had really good strategies.  It was nice when you could find well populated sites to play at because there was a bigger mix of skilled and not so skilled player.  But it gets really old really fast when everyone is playing tight and to a rigid strategy which is what I find in most online bitcoin poker sites.  And now I understand why it's such a slow and boring game in bitcoin sites.

[FanEagle]

25 luck,75 skill, for obvious reasons.
I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw

[katerniko1]

25 luck,75 skill, for obvious reasons.
I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw

soo true. there is some factor luck but its small.
so basicly other part is skill
regards.
-Katerniko1

[jambola2]

I'd say its almost purely luck, atleast in online games.
Most of my online poker experience is with Dogecoin, primarily because it's easier to find cheaper rooms. I play poker, not with the intent of winning big, but with the intent of just having fun.

I see people playing seriously on tables where max buy in is around 10k doge or 2$, but on anything lesser, all-ins are really common.
I think the game is mostly luck, atleast on the lower tiers of online gambling.
The skill level of most people I see is not too high, as to make it highly based on skill over luck.

[FanEagle]

Playing with doges is equiparable to play on Zynga over facebook, there is no real skill involved, just who bets more imo.
Because when you play with doges you feel careless, like if you were playing a freeroll, I need to feel the risk, or else I won't bother playing seriously