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Question: What percent of internet Bitcoin poker is luck vs skill?
Poker is (almost) All Luck - 11 (17.5%)
Poker is 75% Luck, 25% Skill - 14 (22.2%)
Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill - 12 (19%)
Poker is 25% Luck, 75% Skill - 18 (28.6%)
Poker is (almost) All Skill - 8 (12.7%)
I would rather gamble against the house - 0 (0%)
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July 14, 2015, 08:02:12 AM
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i think to play in gambling we need luck and skill
so i choice 50% luck and 50% skill.
and dont forget to play poker we need be patience.

if its a 50/50 then probably i should do always call the All-in button because i have a 50% winning percentage

No its definately not 50/50.

In real-life you can win easily just by looking at people's expressions. Doing it online that's impossible.

Its not impossible it just takes alot of hard work.  They say it takes 10,000 hours to get good at anything and online poker is no different.  I do think its possible to beat micro stakes very soon in your poker career though.

Look @ pokertableratings.com and you will find many long term winners.
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July 14, 2015, 12:49:11 PM
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I vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill.
I believe that live poker is based on skill.
Online poker is rigged.

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July 14, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
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i think to play in gambling we need luck and skill
so i choice 50% luck and 50% skill.
and dont forget to play poker we need be patience.

if its a 50/50 then probably i should do always call the All-in button because i have a 50% winning percentage

No its definately not 50/50.

In real-life you can win easily just by looking at people's expressions. Doing it online that's impossible.

I really can't agree with that. Like I said I'm not a good player, but I know one (Michel Dattani, you can google him if you want).
He is not a close friend but we have friends in common and we were together in college. I remember him playing in 8 online tables while in classes lol
He started online and he continue to play online and also in live tournaments.
They can use a lot of information online (provided by software like "holdem manager", etc). That expression thing is more like movie stuff, of course you use all the information available to be able to see if the investment you are making on that hand is profitable in the long run, but your primary source of information is not based on expressions etc (because you can fake tells, it's not that hard. If you have problems with that, you can just act "nervous" all the time (shaking hands, tremble voice etc), and you cant tell when it is for real or not).
All players have a strategy and a pattern, and "what you do" is calculate the odds of winning against the range of hands that match the pattern of your opponent and see if it is worth it. And to do that, online poker, with a sotware like "holdem manager" makes your life much easier.

Of course you don't see that in low levels, and yes, in those low stakes is very hard to win, because players are just there busting their money (most of the times free money) and playing with luck, and you will have a hard time beating that even when you play well.
But that will also happen live. You can't do shit if you are against players that will keep going all in and doing stupid stuff. You would beat them in the long run, but the problem is that you are not playing just against them. You will win most of the times with solid play, but another jerk will just come and take the place of the maniac you just beat, and he will eventually beat you in a bad beat and then lose it to another lol.

Still poker is still mostly skill, and the only way to survive is to have a good bankroll management.
I don't want to offend anyone, but everyone that says poker is luck, or 50% luck or even 40% or 30% luck, just does not know how to play the game, and is probably one of those maniacs that shoves all in just for fun, or can't really justify their plays.

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July 14, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
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I vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill.
I believe that live poker is based on skill.
Online poker is rigged.

just to make it totally clear , by rigged you mean the site is cheating ??
or you mean that players can use bots in the game ?
bots exists , and from time to time a bot appears to the market , but if you mean that the site cheats then you are wrong
poker is the most popular gambling game where the house is for sure winning , there is no need to cheat the players
they are making millions by just offering the game
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July 14, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
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I think the most affected factor is luck, which e.g you get bad card in your hand, but surprisingly you get three of kinds in the end Cheesy I have experienced it, and thats why I chose luck 70% - skill 30%
But the advantage of online poker is our opponents can't using their skills to read our mind through our face, so we don't need to drive our expression in poker face then  Cheesy

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July 14, 2015, 03:01:56 PM
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I vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill.
I believe that live poker is based on skill.
Online poker is rigged.

just to make it totally clear , by rigged you mean the site is cheating ??
or you mean that players can use bots in the game ?
bots exists , and from time to time a bot appears to the market , but if you mean that the site cheats then you are wrong
poker is the most popular gambling game where the house is for sure winning , there is no need to cheat the players
they are making millions by just offering the game

I have more of an issue with the fact that it is so easy to take multiple seats at a table so you can have a huge advantage over the rest of the seats.  Maybe I use three different internet connections to keep everything hidden and just for good measure I communicate with a good friend on Skype and have him sit at the same table.
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July 14, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
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i voted for "poker is almost all skill" i had a different opinion about it when i did not have any experience in playing it

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July 14, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
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i think to play in gambling we need luck and skill
so i choice 50% luck and 50% skill.
and dont forget to play poker we need be patience.

if its a 50/50 then probably i should do always call the All-in button because i have a 50% winning percentage

No its definately not 50/50.

In real-life you can win easily just by looking at people's expressions. Doing it online that's impossible.

I guess it is hard to place a number on luck, but I chose 50-50 because it has a nice roundness to it.  Skill is important for sure, but if you never get the good deals, then you will not have much luck!  And we have all had bad deal streaks, and no matter how skillful you are it is hard to win without good deals once in a while.
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July 14, 2015, 05:06:52 PM
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i think to play in gambling we need luck and skill
so i choice 50% luck and 50% skill.
and dont forget to play poker we need be patience.

if its a 50/50 then probably i should do always call the All-in button because i have a 50% winning percentage

No its definately not 50/50.

In real-life you can win easily just by looking at people's expressions. Doing it online that's impossible.

I guess it is hard to place a number on luck, but I chose 50-50 because it has a nice roundness to it.  Skill is important for sure, but if you never get the good deals, then you will not have much luck!  And we have all had bad deal streaks, and no matter how skillful you are it is hard to win without good deals once in a while.
I chose 50 luck and 50 skill too,
If you are lucky you will get a good deals and after that play your skill Tongue

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July 14, 2015, 05:34:15 PM
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its 75 luck 25 skill as all gambling games needs luck, without it you cant win anything in gambling i believe
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July 14, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
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Yet again we get proof that polls are useless.

If there is real randomness in the dealing of the cards, a skilled player will win over a non-skilled player (even if it may take a lot of time due to the luck factor). Also, it is impossible to talk of "poker" as one game: Different forms of poker have different luck-factor.

A better question would be if we can trust the fairness of bitcoin poker, when we have evidence of superuser on regular sites.
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July 15, 2015, 01:39:10 AM
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in online poker gambling no need skill Grin you just need luck, when you feel lucky you win

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July 15, 2015, 01:42:30 AM
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25% luck 75% skill

maybe a bit more for skill,but maths and psychology play a very important percentage
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July 15, 2015, 01:43:06 AM
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in online poker gambling no need skill Grin you just need luck, when you feel lucky you win
That depends who you play with, there are many professionals that play online poker
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July 15, 2015, 05:03:55 AM
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I think mostly depends on Luck, but Skill can also help you.

I would say 75% Luck 25% Skill
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July 15, 2015, 05:06:06 AM
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its 75 luck 25 skill as all gambling games needs luck, without it you cant win anything in gambling i believe

i would argue the opposite; imo its 75 skill and 35% luck. if you know what youre experienced poker player and make the right plays, you should come out ahead in the end (long term), the cards you get should just decide how quickly (or slowly) that happens.

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July 15, 2015, 05:12:56 AM
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every people have different luck, true ?

so i choose 75 luck and 25 skill, and i don't have skill on poker anyway Smiley just know "pair"...
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July 15, 2015, 08:26:05 AM
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poker is mostly based on skills like 75% and a smaller part of it is based on luck like the 25%.
but when it is online the story is different IMO. especially if you are not playing against a human.

i personally like playing poker face to face and in person with another human being rather than playing it online with someone that i can not even see.

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July 15, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
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It's complicated as you all play your hands assuming the best outcome
If your on nitro and have a general feel for your hands strength its more luck than skill
That said it can depend if you see too many flush cards out then its a matter of determining if your card set is high enough to win and skill.
All in all 50 50 the greats make their skill level higher and rely on less luck or make their luck.

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July 15, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
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When you play online (not against human), it's 75% luck & 25% skill since most online poker is rigged.
Even while you're playing online against human, you couldn't know if other players are cheating or work together with casino owner.

I prefer playing with another human since, it's 75% skill & 25 luck

Online games are probably rarely rigged, at the big sites i doubt any games are rigged.  They already are taking rake no need to cheat. As for collusion and bots yeah that will happen, some people you can still beat like this.  Its all about picking the right games online.
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