What percent of internet Bitcoin poker is Luck vs Skill?

[gurbar_nakub]

i think poker is 99% luck
and 99% skill
just it

[shulio]

Online games are probably rarely rigged, at the big sites i doubt any games are rigged.  They already are taking rake no need to cheat. As for collusion and bots yeah that will happen, some people you can still beat like this.  Its all about picking the right games online.

The poker games owner can be playing as a player also . They can register in the freerolls or GTD tournament so they can get some of the prize and that will save some of their money from holding freerolls and GTD.

[lexuz]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

[reefsea]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

i think we need too luck in gambling
if you are lucky you are already a winner. because you can't all in if have bad cards.

[WhatTheGox]

Online games are probably rarely rigged, at the big sites i doubt any games are rigged.  They already are taking rake no need to cheat. As for collusion and bots yeah that will happen, some people you can still beat like this.  Its all about picking the right games online.

The poker games owner can be playing as a player also . They can register in the freerolls or GTD tournament so they can get some of the prize and that will save some of their money from holding freerolls and GTD.

Its possible at smaller sites yes for sure, i doubt it happens at bigger sites as its just not worth it.  You risk reputation and your whole business if someone catches you and people can work out if you are cheating without even seeing your cards.  There have been times on other sites where players have worked out other players were colluding before the site even worked it out, 1 famous time i can think of was this case involving well known player, search: stoxtrader/stoxpoker cheating etc.

I would be surprised even if a site like seals would have the time/would want to risk to cheat certain games - there would have to be a decent stake game to make it worth while.

[Falconer]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

So if you were thinking that you have skill but lose in an online poker site, then you will judge the site did cheat on you? If every players have skill in poker game, only luck factor that can make one of them win in the end.

[panjul07]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

Skill is nothing when you get bad cards IMO, and there is no 100% skill-based cards game.
I'm not really sure what do you mean "poker site with cheating"? Is it something like the site hire some people to play on the tables and all the hired people can see the cards of other players ? Or is it something like there are some people play in a table/tournament with multiple accounts?

[JLynn171]

You cant really put an exact % on what is skill and what is luck in poker since it takes a mixture of both to be succesful in the longrun, yes a "lucky" player can beat a skilled player at any given time in a game, but they will not be able to do that with consistency over a long span of games, to me the luck factor is what cards land in your hand first, then of course on the board (assuming Texas Hold em since that is the most popular game at the moment) and the skill comes in with being able to extract chips from your opponent or minimizing your losses in hands...

[IDKwhatimdoing]

Poker is 25% Luck, 75% Skill

[subSTRATA]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

[fox19891989]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

[pooya87]

When you play online (not against human), it's 75% luck & 25% skill since most online poker is rigged.
Even while you're playing online against human, you couldn't know if other players are cheating or work together with casino owner.

I prefer playing with another human since, it's 75% skill & 25 luck

Online games are probably rarely rigged, at the big sites i doubt any games are rigged.  They already are taking rake no need to cheat. As for collusion and bots yeah that will happen, some people you can still beat like this.  Its all about picking the right games online.

it is not about the game being rigged or not. if it is rigged then all bets are off, and there is no chance and all is losing.
about a fair game, the thing is when you play poker with a human there are emotions involved than can help you win or lose. but when playing against a bot it is all logic so it is completely luck based.
this is more understandable when you are playing with a human face to face. that is what the term "poker face" comes from.

[FanEagle]

Poker is still a very challenging piece of game.
All depends on the game you actually playing, most famous are NL and Omaha, but even the other variants are good to prove and mix your luck.
Proving that you are the best only because you win a tournament it means nothing.
I for example I was completely dead broke, I took my latest 100 euros on a big tournament and won it(it was against 500 people), but that doesn't means I'm really skilled, I've been very lucky in some hands and so it's been fun and complicated aswell to try to stay on top.
I relaxed only when I was ITM, but again, I was there and I was almost a post-bubbleman, but I tried hard and gone straight to the top of the tournament.

[subSTRATA]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

thats where the experience comes into play; even with unlucky deals, the top players should be able to turn even a marginal profit by making the right calls in situations an amateur would have no idea what to do. i suspect that these sorts of people quite literally live for poker though

[bajing]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

thats where the experience comes into play; even with unlucky deals, the top players should be able to turn even a marginal profit by making the right calls in situations an amateur would have no idea what to do. i suspect that these sorts of people quite literally live for poker though

im agree with you in poker game must know, when you must calls in right situations even you have worst card you still win a pot

[subSTRATA]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

thats where the experience comes into play; even with unlucky deals, the top players should be able to turn even a marginal profit by making the right calls in situations an amateur would have no idea what to do. i suspect that these sorts of people quite literally live for poker though

im agree with you in poker game must know, when you must calls in right situations even you have worst card you still win a pot

untrue; its about knowing when to minimize your losses and not play the hand. given the worse possible situation, its more than unlikely you will lose. if anything you might win the blinds from bluffing, but those are risks, and big risks at that.

[bajing]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

thats where the experience comes into play; even with unlucky deals, the top players should be able to turn even a marginal profit by making the right calls in situations an amateur would have no idea what to do. i suspect that these sorts of people quite literally live for poker though

im agree with you in poker game must know, when you must calls in right situations even you have worst card you still win a pot

untrue; its about knowing when to minimize your losses and not play the hand. given the worse possible situation, its more than unlikely you will lose. if anything you might win the blinds from bluffing, but those are risks, and big risks at that.

sometime bluffing needed but look time and a card . sometime player are too carefully and im sure bluffing it worth to use in good situation. that's my opinion

[subSTRATA]

Of course 100% skill you need if you play in fair site. I meant sometimes you find poker site with cheating.

it can never be 100% skill; skill has nothing to do with the cards youre dealt. skill only plays a factor in how you play with the cards youre given to turn a profit in the long run.

I can't agree with you more, that's why those best pro poker players win big tournaments, they have best skills and they are top players in the long term, although there are a few amateur players can win a few tours but can't win in the long term unless they turn pros.

thats where the experience comes into play; even with unlucky deals, the top players should be able to turn even a marginal profit by making the right calls in situations an amateur would have no idea what to do. i suspect that these sorts of people quite literally live for poker though

im agree with you in poker game must know, when you must calls in right situations even you have worst card you still win a pot

untrue; its about knowing when to minimize your losses and not play the hand. given the worse possible situation, its more than unlikely you will lose. if anything you might win the blinds from bluffing, but those are risks, and big risks at that.

sometime bluffing needed but look time and a card . sometime player are too carefully and im sure bluffing it worth to use in good situation. that's my opinion

key word is sometimes here, you should never become too predictable when playing poker, to an experienced player, a predictable player might as well mean youre seeing their cards.

[WhatTheGox]

When you play online (not against human), it's 75% luck & 25% skill since most online poker is rigged.
Even while you're playing online against human, you couldn't know if other players are cheating or work together with casino owner.

I prefer playing with another human since, it's 75% skill & 25 luck

Online games are probably rarely rigged, at the big sites i doubt any games are rigged.  They already are taking rake no need to cheat. As for collusion and bots yeah that will happen, some people you can still beat like this.  Its all about picking the right games online.

it is not about the game being rigged or not. if it is rigged then all bets are off, and there is no chance and all is losing.
about a fair game, the thing is when you play poker with a human there are emotions involved than can help you win or lose. but when playing against a bot it is all logic so it is completely luck based.
this is more understandable when you are playing with a human face to face. that is what the term "poker face" comes from.

Yeah live poker does requires other skills to be successful for sure, like body language reading capabilities.  Online you can still work out certrain things vs humans online like timing tells etc.  Vs a bot online if you stick with NL games they are still beatable.

[srgkrgkj]

id say for the unskilled poker is 100% luck like me for example but if you have experience poker can be upto 90% skill based ... so its all a question of experience ...