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April 06, 2015, 05:58:44 AM
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Now with this latest exposé about the Bitcoin Foundation in the news.  Let me ask...  Was Cody Wilson having the right idea that the foundation should be disbanded?

I am aware that he's an extremist and all that, and that some would not have agreed about his proposal to disband the Bitcoin Foundation months ago.  So now that the cat is out of the bag...  Would you agree to it now?

EDIT:  For the people who are not aware about Cody Wilson's plan/proposal, please read this...

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The Bitcoin Foundation should be Destroyed

My words should not be mistaken as part of some centralization controversy. I’m not complaining that the Foundation is corrupt, superfluous, or has undue development influence. I’m willing to be realistic and admit the original intentions of the organization’s founders (Make dough with regulatory cover, bonus points for veneer of public respectability). Like any capable postmodern shysters, they couldn’t just rip us off. It was better to color the whole affair with a farcical civic-mindedness. To run around with this annoyingly earnest mien.

We find their type outside the Foundation as well. I still recall Jaron Lukasiewicz spreading his perfectly bleached asshole for Ben Lawsky back in July, only the day after BitLicense dropped:

    “…the BitLicense is an important asset that will allow us to provide US banking and regulatory protection to our target customer group. I’m happy to see the New York DFS making tangible progress towards offering the first achievable regulatory bitcoin license in the country.”

The first, but certainly not the last!

I say attack the Foundation because it is the think tank of the bitcoin counter-revolution. Its record (hey guys, this time we focus on core dev, for reals) is and will continue to be the (re)production of the state-form in bitcoin thought. Yes, the State-form. That reef on which the revolutions of the past two centuries ship-wrecked. Unseen by the hapless steersmen who with their organization set sail in the name of technological libertarianism.

But bitcoin isn’t ideological! Some stripling yips, dimly aware the slogan is NATO-grade BZ.

What to make of them? The mises-thumping market liberals, the high finance back-benchers, these… startup people. Each in his turn discovers modern political economy’s happy accident, a working stateless currency, and each continues the promotion of the State to de jure universality. They next rally around this word. Oh, you remember it. Every stunted little nequient and pasty oddity shrieks it in choral unison. The signature term of our gigantic Stockholm syndrome... 


More here...  https://disband.it/218/arcanum-imperii/

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April 06, 2015, 06:18:00 AM
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This shit has been brewing since 2014.

http://pando.com/2014/03/27/leaderless-bitcoin-foundation-plagued-by-allegations-of-self-dealing-and-embezzlement/

http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/

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April 06, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
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It's been brewing a lot longer than 2014. When the Bitcoin Foundation first started, they had a private forum for members only where they discussed many suspicious things in private, including one core developers idea of introducing blacklists to bitcoin: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/505-coin-tracking/ (they have since allowed us mere mortals to read their private forum). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333824.0

Totally screwed up organization without any transparency whatsoever, besides there is no need for it at all.

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April 06, 2015, 07:43:46 AM
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That's funny, I remember the whole blacklist idea as well, many of us where asking them how they were even going to enforce this and really basic things of who would they blacklist? Naturally it didn't really get off to a start. Cody Wilson's an Anarchist, that may seem extreme to you, but this kind of shit is precisely why people like him and me are Anarchists to begin with. I'd love to believe in a real democracy ( I want Direct Democracy because I think the other systems are a joke ) but it has to be a system that can withstand corrupt officials, once these people get in power, they can basically do whatever they want without any oversight, then the next person gets in and they fuck it up in their own special way too.

Now that the Bitcoin foundation is growing or at least attempting to, they are asserting themselves even within Washington, they do not represent the Bitcoin community at large as they claim, you have to pay for membership and only members who have paid into their system can get a vote, it is a corrupted system to it's very core and they haven't even gotten started yet.
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April 06, 2015, 07:56:57 AM
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Now with this latest exposé about the Bitcoin Foundation in the news. ...

Must have missed something. What expose? Which news? Link?



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April 06, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
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Now with this latest exposé about the Bitcoin Foundation in the news. ...

Must have missed something. What expose? Which news? Link?

i guess this:

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/584326303567912962


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April 06, 2015, 08:42:04 AM
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Now with this latest exposé about the Bitcoin Foundation in the news. ...

Must have missed something. What expose? Which news? Link?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/board-member-olivier-janssens-leaks-damning-facts-bitcoin-foundation/

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/

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April 06, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
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Thanks.

If all that is true, I say, let it die. They did (or planned to do) some good things for Bitcoin, but overall it seems like a bunch of guys trying to boost their personal careers and pay themselves nice salaries despite poor revenue streams. If you can't properly manage - gtfo.

So the only question is how to go around with funding the core devs. This could work for now:

Quote
Moving forward:

 - A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year (if they choose to accept). The control of this trust fund will be handed over to the core devs, who can decide who can join it. Alternatively, we can give voting power to everyone who puts money in it (pro-rata). I will also organize crowdfunds and help make this fund public. At no point do I want to have any control whatsoever.

Props to Olivier Janssens for his post.

Thought of the day:

Quote
The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/


ps Cody Wilson was wrong, there was no need to disband TBF, looks like it'll collapse on its own.






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April 06, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
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Now with this latest exposé about the Bitcoin Foundation in the news. ...

Must have missed something. What expose? Which news? Link?

i guess this:

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/584326303567912962



Lol.  I have lost respect for J.Garzik when he attacked NXT on twitter.  It's not that I'm defending NXT,  and I don't even care if they were true or not.  But the way he did it was low and disrespectful.

R


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April 06, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
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Thanks.

If all that is true, I say, let it die. They did (or planned to do) some good things for Bitcoin, but overall it seems like a bunch of guys trying to boost their personal careers and pay themselves nice salaries despite poor revenue streams. If you can't properly manage - gtfo.

So the only question is how to go around with funding the core devs. This could work for now:

Quote
Moving forward:

 - A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year (if they choose to accept). The control of this trust fund will be handed over to the core devs, who can decide who can join it. Alternatively, we can give voting power to everyone who puts money in it (pro-rata). I will also organize crowdfunds and help make this fund public. At no point do I want to have any control whatsoever.

Props to Olivier Janssens for his post.

Thought of the day:

Quote
The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/


ps Cody Wilson was wrong, there was no need to disband TBF, looks like it'll collapse on its own.





Haha.. In before "Bitcoin has collapsed" in the news.

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April 06, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
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Not sure may be right.
really man? are you posting to just grow your account and then sell it or what? yoiu did not even say why yes why not
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