ISIS destroys Syrian Church on Easter Sunday

[Muhammed Zakir]

This is insane, I bet if this happened to an old mosque there would be riots and beheadings.

These snackbars need to be taken out, hellfire style.

I hope Bitcointalks resident Islamist come in here and post, is this another miracle of Islam?

This thread is about ISIS not about Islam. Killing thousands of innocents is Islamic? Please don't spread FUD. ISIS never follows Islam even though they claim they do. If I claim, I am president, it doesn't make me a president. This is the same thing they are doing. I hope you will understand it.

[jaysabi]

This is insane, I bet if this happened to an old mosque there would be riots and beheadings.

These snackbars need to be taken out, hellfire style.

I hope Bitcointalks resident Islamist come in here and post, is this another miracle of Islam?

This thread is about ISIS not about Islam. Killing thousands of innocents is Islamic? Please don't spread FUD. ISIS never follows Islam even though they claim they do. If I claim, I am president, it doesn't make me a president. This is the same thing they are doing. I hope you will understand it.

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate. Does this ultimately matter though? The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are. You and them disagree about who is correct, but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people? The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam, but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam. They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant. If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate.

I didn't want "consider" to be here. I am telling they are completely contradicting Islamic rules and trachings.

Does this ultimately matter though?

Spreading false thing about Islam is a matter to me.

The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are.

As I said, if I claim I am president, I don't be a president. This is same thing they are doing.

Can you tell who is "enough people"? Many Muslims against it.

You and them disagree about who is correct,

I can prove they are wrong using Qur'an and Hadiths, theycan't.

but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people?

They are killing people and I disagree with them. They shouldn't do these sort of things. But spreading false thing about Islam is matter to me.

The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

They're mostly political supporters and I am sure they have political things in mind when doing these cruelty.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam,

Supporters mostly are political supporters and yes, it isn't Islam, yet, people say Islam just because they claim they are which is kinda stupid.

but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam.

There is only one Islam. Don't claim there is 2, peace Islam and violent Islam. Only one. If Islam doesn't teach or tell any of these, how can it be Islam? They are more or likely forming new religion and have political gains.

They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant.

Why? Because medias tell they are doing it because of Islam, which is wrong and people who don't know about Islam, believe it and support that statement. Spreading false thing and telling it is relevant isn't relevant.

If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

Are you claiming all Muslims support them? Only a some Muslims who ISIS brainwashed support it and mostly are political supporters.

Contradicting Islam and claiming it is Islam doesn't make it Islam. They are obviously making new religion with their own rules.

[jaysabi]

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate.

I didn't want "consider" to be here. I am telling they are completely contradicting Islamic rules and trachings.

Says you. They say you've got Islam wrong. It's a case of he said/she said. I don't care, I think you're all wrong because religion is stupid. All I care about is people stop killing.

The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are.

As I said, if I claim I am president, I don't be a president. This is same thing they are doing.

Can you tell who is "enough people"? Many Muslims against it.

If you have enough people who agree with you that you are the president and are willing to kill people who don't agree with them, then you and them are a problem. That's the situation here. It doesn't matter how many people are against it. It matters how many maniacs are murdering people in your name. It matters how many maniacs ISIS has agreeing that they are Islamic and are willing to kill for it. Your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying.

You and them disagree about who is correct,

I can prove they are wrong using Qur'an and Hadiths, theycan't.

I repeat, your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying. It's probably academically correct, and yet look how much that matters. It's not stopping them from calling themselves Islamic, and it's not stopping people from joining them when they realize they aren't following Islamic teachings. This is my whole point. We can all agree they are not Islamic, but we don't matter. The people who agree with them and will pick up weapons and murder innocent people to spread their ideology are what matters.

but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people?

They are killing people and I disagree with them. They shouldn't do these sort of things. But spreading false thing about Islam is matter to me.

The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

They're mostly political supporters and I am sure they have political things in mind when doing these cruelty.

No, they are political supporters, and they are armed maniacs murdering people who dare to disagree with them. There are enough people murdering for them to be relevant. All the denials of how Islamic they are is not going to stop them from killing.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam,

Supporters mostly are political supporters and yes, it isn't Islam, yet, people say Islam just because they claim they are which is kinda stupid.

but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam.

There is only one Islam. Don't claim there is 2, peace Islam and violent Islam. Only one. If Islam doesn't teach or tell any of these, how can it be Islam? They are more or likely forming new religion and have political gains.

Like it or not, there are more versions of Islam than yours. Religious movements split all the time over their values. You trying to disavow any other religion has no more merit than any other religion disavowing yours. I'm not making any argument as to what ISIS is because ultimately I don't care, I'm just repeating what they call themselves.

They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant.

Why? Because medias tell they are doing it because of Islam, which is wrong and people who don't know about Islam, believe it and support that statement. Spreading false thing and telling it is relevant isn't relevant.

No, it's because these people agree with their violent means. Don't blame the media, it's a copout and it's not at all grounded in reality.

If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

Are you claiming all Muslims support them? Only a some Muslims who ISIS brainwashed support it and mostly are political supporters.

Contradicting Islam and claiming it is Islam doesn't make it Islam. They are obviously making new religion with their own rules.

I am not claiming all Muslims support them. I am claiming enough people who self-identify as Muslim support their form of Islam for them to be able to recruit, murder, and recruit more. I'm fine with them being known as a different religion. But first they'll have to stop calling themselves Islamic. That's your problem with them, not mine.

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I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

[Sithara007]

ISIS insurgents blew up an 80-year-old church in Syria's northeastern province of Hassaka on Easter Sunday, Syrian state news agency SANA said.

SANA, which did not report any casualties, said the militants had planted explosives inside the Church of the Virgin Mary in Tel Nasri, an Assyrian village in an area where Christian and Kurdish militia have been battling the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

ISIS controls the village, the news agency said on Monday. The militant group, which controls swathes of Syria and Iraq, espouses a fiercely terrorist ideology, deeming many Muslims to be heretics. Its fighters have destroyed Shi'ite and Sufi religious sites and also attacked churches.

More at: http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2015/04/06/isis-destroys-syrian-church-on-easter-sunday


This is a shame  , I hope someone will stop their action.

Why the hell they are destroying the history of the country. Every such organizations do the same things just like what Taliban did. It destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

[bryant.coleman]

Why the hell they are destroying the history of the country. Every such organizations do the same things just like what Taliban did. It destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

There is a valid reason for doing so. Islam has always used violence and genocide as a tool for its growth. The existence of pre-Islamic statues remember people about those incidents. Once these monuments are removed, then in future, people will never knew that they had such a rich culture and civilization before Islam.

This is not unique to Islam. Christianity has also used the same. For example, they destroyed the totem poles of British Columbia, as they seemed too "anti-Christian" for them. Christian missionaries have always destroyed native places of worship, in order to force their religion upon others.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate.

I didn't want "consider" to be here. I am telling they are completely contradicting Islamic rules and trachings.

Says you. They say you've got Islam wrong. It's a case of he said/she said. I don't care, I think you're all wrong because religion is stupid. All I care about is people stop killing.

The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are.

As I said, if I claim I am president, I don't be a president. This is same thing they are doing.

Can you tell who is "enough people"? Many Muslims against it.

If you have enough people who agree with you that you are the president and are willing to kill people who don't agree with them, then you and them are a problem. That's the situation here. It doesn't matter how many people are against it. It matters how many maniacs are murdering people in your name. It matters how many maniacs ISIS has agreeing that they are Islamic and are willing to kill for it. Your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying.

You and them disagree about who is correct,

I can prove they are wrong using Qur'an and Hadiths, theycan't.

I repeat, your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying. It's probably academically correct, and yet look how much that matters. It's not stopping them from calling themselves Islamic, and it's not stopping people from joining them when they realize they aren't following Islamic teachings. This is my whole point. We can all agree they are not Islamic, but we don't matter. The people who agree with them and will pick up weapons and murder innocent people to spread their ideology are what matters.

but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people?

They are killing people and I disagree with them. They shouldn't do these sort of things. But spreading false thing about Islam is matter to me.

The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

They're mostly political supporters and I am sure they have political things in mind when doing these cruelty.

No, they are political supporters, and they are armed maniacs murdering people who dare to disagree with them. There are enough people murdering for them to be relevant. All the denials of how Islamic they are is not going to stop them from killing.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam,

Supporters mostly are political supporters and yes, it isn't Islam, yet, people say Islam just because they claim they are which is kinda stupid.

but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam.

There is only one Islam. Don't claim there is 2, peace Islam and violent Islam. Only one. If Islam doesn't teach or tell any of these, how can it be Islam? They are more or likely forming new religion and have political gains.

Like it or not, there are more versions of Islam than yours. Religious movements split all the time over their values. You trying to disavow any other religion has no more merit than any other religion disavowing yours. I'm not making any argument as to what ISIS is because ultimately I don't care, I'm just repeating what they call themselves.

They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant.

Why? Because medias tell they are doing it because of Islam, which is wrong and people who don't know about Islam, believe it and support that statement. Spreading false thing and telling it is relevant isn't relevant.

No, it's because these people agree with their violent means. Don't blame the media, it's a copout and it's not at all grounded in reality.

If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

Are you claiming all Muslims support them? Only a some Muslims who ISIS brainwashed support it and mostly are political supporters.

Contradicting Islam and claiming it is Islam doesn't make it Islam. They are obviously making new religion with their own rules.

I am not claiming all Muslims support them. I am claiming enough people who self-identify as Muslim support their form of Islam for them to be able to recruit, murder, and recruit more. I'm fine with them being known as a different religion. But first they'll have to stop calling themselves Islamic. That's your problem with them, not mine.

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I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

[panju1]

There is a valid reason for doing so. Islam has always used violence and genocide as a tool for its growth. The existence of pre-Islamic statues remember people about those incidents. Once these monuments are removed, then in future, people will never knew that they had such a rich culture and civilization before Islam.

The only problem is such methods look out of place in the 21st century.
Just because such behaviour was acceptable hundreds of years ago doesn't mean that it can be explained / justified today.

[abyrnes81]

There is a valid reason for doing so. Islam has always used violence and genocide as a tool for its growth. The existence of pre-Islamic statues remember people about those incidents. Once these monuments are removed, then in future, people will never knew that they had such a rich culture and civilization before Islam.

The only problem is such methods look out of place in the 21st century.
Just because such behaviour was acceptable hundreds of years ago doesn't mean that it can be explained / justified today.

Exactly, we are in a new epoch and it is nor more necessary destroy those statue because everyone know the truth and everyone can choose his religion. Those isis member, are only stupid men that think they are strong and big but, in this case an atomic bomb is necessary.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Exactly, we are in a new epoch and it is nor more necessary destroy those statue because everyone know the truth and everyone can choose his religion. Those isis member, are only stupid men that think they are strong and big but, in this case an atomic bomb is necessary.

Exactly. They should be killed for their wrongdoings. I don't agree with atom bomb though as there are many innocents there.

Also, your statement doesn't make sense. "They think they are strong and big" - that means you don't think they are strong and big. So why an atom bomb?

[abyrnes81]

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
....

http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/

Exactly, we are in a new epoch and it is nor more necessary destroy those statue because everyone know the truth and everyone can choose his religion. Those isis member, are only stupid men that think they are strong and big but, in this case an atomic bomb is necessary.

Exactly. They should be killed for their wrongdoings. I don't agree with atom bomb though as there are many innocents there.

Also, your statement doesn't make sense. "They think they are strong and big" - that means you don't think they are strong and big. So why an atom bomb?

I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
....

http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/

I don't think ISIS has more resources than US. If they do, they must have some help from good military countries such as Russia or UK. I don't think US is afraid either. Do you know what was reponse from US to this?

I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

Got it. Yup, it is easiest way but at the same time, worst way.

[jaysabi]

I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

I see your point about denying them the label of "Islamic" so that there is no confusion that people who follow them are doing so for anything they can claim to be a legitimate religious reason. It's not invalid, I just don't know how useful it is. Do you think they would they be less of a movement if they called themselves something else?

[abyrnes81]

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
....

http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/

I don't think ISIS has more resources than US. If they do, they must have some help from good military countries such as Russia or UK. I don't think US is afraid either. Do you know what was reponse from US to this?

They seem very strong and determinate, this is the video:



Mirror 2: http://ge.tt/2Uie8SE2/v/0

I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

Got it. Yup, it is easiest way but at the same time, worst way.

Remember in this case for them the worst way is the best way, and the unique to stop their action is to use an atomic bomb.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

I see your point about denying them the label of "Islamic" so that there is no confusion that people who follow them are doing so for anything they can claim to be a legitimate religious reason. It's not invalid, I just don't know how useful it is. Do you think they would they be less of a movement if they called themselves something else?

In a long-term perception, I believe so. Some people come and join saying it is Islamic and are brainwashed. Also some people hate all Muslims when media say "Islamic" resulting in more violence and hatred. If media stop it, both Muslims and non-Muslims may go more peacefully and brainwashed kids maybe able to releaze they are telling lie. I don't how exactly I should say. I have some points but I can't express it in English. I think you get th point.

 This doesn't stop ISIS or other violent groups, however, we may atleast be able to reduce it.

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
....

http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/

I don't think ISIS has more resources than US. If they do, they must have some help from good military countries such as Russia or UK. I don't think US is afraid either. Do you know what was reponse from US to this?

They seem very strong and determinate, this is the video:



Mirror 2: http://ge.tt/2Uie8SE2/v/0

Hmm... Hard to believe they could stand a chance to US without any help.

I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

Got it. Yup, it is easiest way but at the same time, worst way.

Remember in this case for them the worst way is the best way, and the unique to stop their action is to use an atomic bomb.

I understand it but what about hundreds and thousands of innocents?

[jaysabi]

I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

I see your point about denying them the label of "Islamic" so that there is no confusion that people who follow them are doing so for anything they can claim to be a legitimate religious reason. It's not invalid, I just don't know how useful it is. Do you think they would they be less of a movement if they called themselves something else?

In a long-term perception, I believe so. Some people come and join saying it is Islamic and are brainwashed. Also some people hate all Muslims when media say "Islamic" resulting in more violence and hatred. If media stop it, both Muslims and non-Muslims may go more peacefully and brainwashed kids maybe able to releaze they are telling lie. I don't how exactly I should say. I have some points but I can't express it in English. I think you get th point.

 This doesn't stop ISIS or other violent groups, however, we may atleast be able to reduce it.

All right, this is a fair point. But also consider that I don't think very many of the people they are recruiting in the Middle East have access to Western Media reports, and if they do, this is not what sways them into believing ISIS is Islamic. They believe ISIS is Islamic for entirely different reasons, and if you want to combat the perception of ISIS as Islamic, you're better pressed figuring out why poor people without access to Western Media are finding the violence of ISIS and their own understanding of Islam to be congruent.

[pattu1]

All right, this is a fair point. But also consider that I don't think very many of the people they are recruiting in the Middle East have access to Western Media reports, and if they do, this is not what sways them into believing ISIS is Islamic. They believe ISIS is Islamic for entirely different reasons, and if you want to combat the perception of ISIS as Islamic, you're better pressed figuring out why poor people without access to Western Media are finding the violence of ISIS and their own understanding of Islam to be congruent.

The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this. Poor people in the Middle East can empathize with the suffering of Palestinians. They naturally tend to rally behind any "strong" force which supports Islam. If there wasn't so much fighting and violence in the Middle East, I doubt if ISIS would have been as successful.

[bryant.coleman]

The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this.

The Israel - Palestine conflict has nothing to do with this. Israel is actually supporting the ISIS. A few months ago, they bombed the Syrian army positions, in order to help the ISIS in gaining territory. Another NATO member, Turkey is supporting the ISIS by issuing passports to its fighters, so that they could travel to Iraq and Syria to join the fighting.

[twn]

Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.

[bryant.coleman]

Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.

Not that simple. The ISIS has never targeted a Sunni place of worship ever since its creation. They have mostly targeted Yazidi, Christian and other non-Muslim places of worship, although they have rarely destroyed some Shiite mosques and shrines. It will be foolish to say that religion has no role to play in this.