'Recruiting' Participants?

What I want to know is: may a campaign manager 'recruit' participants? If allowed, I'm sure many would.

What would count as 'recruiting' a member?

Would it only be considered spam if someone reported the PM?

I've seen this ~~thread~~ trend recently with campaign managers.

I'm undecided if it should be or is allowed or not. Input appreciated!

Something as generic as campaign sigs is unlikely to be allowed as its targeting... well... everyone. If there was a niche of people they would be targeting then sure, else its unsolicited. Btw your sig is struggling at wide page widths, the bottom line separate and stays left aligned.

It really depends on if it is wanted or not. If the person receiving such PM finds it intrusive and unwanted then it is PM spam. If they don't then the moderators would never find out about the PM in question and would have no reason to take any action.

IF you are going to be sending unsolicited PMs them you better be sure that the person receiving the PM wants to get it. Since this is hard to tell in advance it is probably not a good idea to be send these kinds of PMs, especially since some people may find it similar to buying trust.

I don't think it's wise that you personally did it to be honest. If one person reports you you'll be screwed. There wouldn't be anything wrong with it really but that all depends on the user and if they report it that person will likely face the consequences.

People interested can find the threads already, I don't think it would be necessary or even effective to recruit people for a sig campaign.

I, personally, wouldn't mind as long as the message is personalized and prepared for me, not for a hundred people. Just make it useful, show that it was dedicated to certain member, show that you've put in some work in examining and personalizing said message for the member in question and in my books you'd be OK. This is where global mods like SaltySpitoon, grue and the admins, BadBear and theymos, could express their opinion.

I don't think it is wrong recruit person through personal message, they should only not "oblige" them to join and if they don't want, he should nor "harrass" them (in that case he will be surely banned from the forum).

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 07, 2015, 06:15:34 PM

What I want to know is: may a campaign manager 'recruit' participants? If allowed, I'm sure many would.

What would count as 'recruiting' a member?

Would it only be considered spam if someone reported the PM?

I've seen this thread recently with campaign managers.

I'm undecided if it should be or is allowed or not. Input appreciated!

i think it is ok.
if you PM someone to recruit him,
you do it,
because him post good materials...
no spam,
no fud,
no throll....
and so you can ask him to partecipate!!!

I don't think it would be right to PM a person/member who isn't expecting a PM from you. It would be called spamming as he would just be notified about an offer which he has no interest in (may be). If I only talk about this forum, then yes it would be considered spamming. But if you open a thread about a recruitment offer and members reply saying "PM me the details", then they want to be notified about the job. It's not like I am a member of a job website where I get notified about all jobs that match my interest.

Quote from: erikalui on April 07, 2015, 07:53:29 PM

i do not agree....
if a receive a PM asking me to participate to a campaign because i write appreciable posts...
for me it is ok...
i'm in the condition to answer yes or no...
that's all

I don't see how could that be harmful. I wouldn't mind receiving such PM's. I'm fan of simply deleting a PM if I don't like it or don't find it useful. But there are people who aren't definitely going to like it. Not worth doing it, one might have a few reds thrown at him...

certain that there are people here really susceptible.
a negative trust or a bann for receiving a PM? Huh

but we are crazy?

Roll Eyes

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 07, 2015, 06:15:34 PM

What I want to know is: may a campaign manager 'recruit' participants?

Quantity and frequency is the deciding factor. You are not going to spam out 10 a day. I believe two or three personalised PM in a week should run fine with the mods I guess.

I think there are probably only a tiny handful of people that would be offended by such action, however that same tiny few may be so grumpy that they would seek to blow it out of proportion and cause real damage.

I think the solution is for the site to institute a Knock-N-Wait default system. If you don't mind receiving all offers you could opt out of the KNW system, otherwise everyone is in. Here's how it would work, let's say you (sender) want to send someone (receiver) a business opportunity invitation, first you send the KNW message, if the sender is blocked by the receiver a message will be returned to the sender asking them to no longer contact that individual, the receiver will receive no message; if no block is in place then a message from the site telling the receiver that sender is requesting permission to make direct contact. This gives the receiver the opportunity to investigate the sender before permitting correspondence. If the receiver accepts the invite a message is sent to the sender indicating that direct correspondence is welcome.

In this way everyone must be announced before direct correspondence is received, it allows everyone to not respond, or to say no (even after they first said yes), and it allows the great opportunities to go to those who are informed and engaged.

I think as long as the message is personalized then it would not be considered spam. I think any automation of this system would definitely cross the line.

I do think it is unethical to only recruit members of default trust, it seems to me like an attempt to buy trust.

Quote from: MadZ on April 07, 2015, 10:41:45 PM

hi madz!

you got it!

the cross line it's exactly /personalization/automation of the PM.
I don't think so for the frequency/number.
You can contact 20 people/day, but the PMs are sended without bot and are fully personalized i think it is not SPAM for sure!!!!

Fine line to walk. I personally wouldn't mind but it would be possible for someone else to report it as spam. I suppose if someone is already using a signature campaign they would be more open to the idea. Someone who doesn't use his/her signature space or uses it just for personal advertising might be more offended at receiving a PM.

I would say as it was you then you probably should not think about such tactics, maybe recruit someone who does not mind taking the risk of sending the few messages for you. I find it hard to believe you would even want to think about risking it with 2 pm spams in the past lol 3rd time you will get 30-60days or even perm ban, i would go with the latter. Also if i received the unsolicited pm from marcotheminer i would report you because i don't think it should be aloud it isn't asif i could not find your service bumped every 5mins on service thread or signatures plastered on every thread. Advice think no more and be happy with the current size campaign maybe even use the energy searching your members recent posters for spam Wink

Quote from: blumangroup on April 08, 2015, 10:58:31 AM

This is probably about Carra23. And if this is allowed, Marco may want to try it too.

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 07, 2015, 06:00:29 PM

I'm bumping this again.

Quote from: marcotheminer
Did carra23 contact you to join a campaign?

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti (green trusted user)
Hi marco, yes carra23 got in touch to join.

What I want to know is: may a campaign manager 'recruit' participants? If allowed, I'm sure many would (I would with a few users).

EDIT: I'll make a meta thread.

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 08, 2015, 11:21:13 AM

Quote from: blumangroup on April 08, 2015, 10:58:31 AM

This is probably about Carra23. And if this is allowed, Marco may want to try it too.

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 07, 2015, 06:00:29 PM

Not sure how that has any relevance to my post? I don't really care who it is about and i never asked to be fair. Also surprised that you think it has a possibility of being allowed. "Marco may want to spam pms", nice advice. It won't be allowed if more than one person does not want to receive the pms and he gets reported and as stated before gets a nice long ban for his trouble. I don't see the point not even for the best of posters, the line is to thin to try tiptoe across. Anyway i can not put anymore than i have so bye for now.