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May 12, 2015, 07:59:13 AM
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sell everything you own / borrow as much money as you possibly can - FROM BANKS , empty your fiat currency account(s) , convert all your available currency into bitcoin through anonymous means (in person cash for bitcoin) , mix it thoroughly and put it on a flash drive , then declare bankruptcy or AND expatriate from the country , and then convert bitcoins back into fiat currency through anonymous means ... btw what i am suggesting is *highly* illegal and would constitute committing bank/credit fraud ... but it would fix your money woes ... so ... depending on just how desperate your situation is ... might be worth it ...

^^^That.
Or you can stay there and continue being fucked for the rest of your life.
And now that I mention it, you do realize that you only got one life right?
There is no afterlife, so it is up to you how you want to spend/waste/live your life.  Wink

PS: You are experiencing what I call "modern day slavery"

Oh yeah.

And now with self driving cars and new cars that will fine you if you speed! Our world is so corrupt, the government is trying to find new ways to take our money. Even though the money is actually just debt.
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May 13, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
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PS: You are experiencing what I call "modern day slavery"


Yep, tell me about it...

At least I don't have kids and a 30-year mortgage, yet...

I can't even afford to be fucked over by owning a car.

You need to talk to a consumer credit counseling service in your state. They can help you work it out and sometimes can negotiate a lower payment or extended time to pay.

http://www.consumercredit.com/financial-education/student-loans/repaying-overview.aspx

Thank you, I will look into this.

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May 13, 2015, 08:39:34 PM
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I don't think its possible to do what you pretend to do unless you are converting all of your fiat using LocalBitcoins and meeting up with people IRL. If you use regular exchanges you give way too much data.
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May 13, 2015, 10:47:18 PM
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Before they do anything that hurts, they will have to take you to court. Watch for their paperwork, and then meet them in court. Go without an attorney - without being represented - and not pro se (representing yourself). Rather, let them know you are present.

Acknowledge all the debt, but tell them that your offer is that you can only afford $30 (or whatever) a month payments. If they turn you down on that, they haven't accepted your offer. They lose.

If they accept your terms, don't let them change your offer by 1 penny, up or down. If you do, it will appear that you have lied about what you can afford, and they will be able to rake you over the coals.

In all of this, be as humble and friendly and embarrassed about the situation as you can, especially in court. It will make a good impression.

Listen to Karl Lentz on Angela Stark's Talkshoe. There's lots of good info there about how to handle yourself in court, and in the letter-writing that you should do preceding it.

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

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May 13, 2015, 10:56:26 PM
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I can tell you that it will be very hard to prove that you're committing fraud, which is extremely helpful with this type of case.
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May 14, 2015, 12:47:48 AM
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Whatever you do don't use the bitcoin address you posted on your profile to try to hide anything

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May 14, 2015, 01:23:47 AM
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Back in my naive days, when I actually thought having a degree meant something, I managed to accrue a significant student loan debt, mostly from the out-of-state graduate school (that I did not even graduate from).

The plan always was to get a good enough job via the degree that would eventually help me repay the student loan. Fast forward 12 years: I am near-broke with a below-average salary job and a couple extra grand built up in interest on the loan. The loan agency will not make any deals with me to reduce the monthly payments, so basically I can either make my loan payment _or_ have food and a roof above my head.

Today I received a call from the agency (Aspire Resources) telling me I'm about to go into default, even though I made a nominal payment to try to reset the 270-day rule (turns out they only accept the monthly payment in full as criteria for "payment" -- I'm not sure if this is legal or not). So I quickly do some research and find out that not only can student loan collection agencies garnish your wages with a court order, but they can also freeze/empty your bank account and take back any tax refund money you might have.

So my question is, how feasible is it to use cryptocurrency should I have to hide money from these debt collectors? I can't pay my bills in bitcoin, and if bitcoin should drop down to $20 per BTC, then I might as well just have handed over the money to these weasels in the first place... Don't think the property manager will accept BTC either for rent - he's at least 70 years old.

My boss on the other hand is quite tech savvy and I'm sure I could request to be paid in bitcoin. The problem then becomes, can wages denominated in BTC also be garnished? Hard to say since its currently classified as "property" by the IRS. I live in a remote area which hardly even knows or much less understands bitcoin.

Has anyone here been in this situation before? Your thoughts on the matter are appreciated.

Thanks from a broke ex-neuroscientist.

So you said a degree isn't worth anything, but then you say 12 years later you aren't making much money??? So it sounds like you graduated with a bachelors in something, but dropped out of a Masters program? I gotta tell ya, you have to do your own due diligence on everything. I specifically chose my degree of Information Systems because the world is turning to analysis on everything with someone smart enough to make good decisions to save businesses money(Example would be to produce more of something at once to drive the cost down and figure seasonality of the item and how much volume it will realistically have).

If I didn't have a degree I would be fucked. I would not have a job, my girlfriend probably would have left me for not having a job that is better than working at Staples as a sleazy tech. My life would be stupid, I wouldn't be able to afford almost anything, probably have to live with my parents(unless I worked 2 jobs). If I worked 2 jobs then I have no life/no hobby/no fun. If you really want to get the most out of life you have to look into where the demand on something is, like degrees. You can't trust almost anyone who has an older way of thinking "just get a degree in some science thing that sounds good, people love science n stuff you will get a job". You need real data, and the government provides forecasts and growth estimates if you go to bls.gov or something like that.

And how is being a neuroscientist not higher than average paying??? I am pretty sure that field is EXPLODING as more and more money is being thrown at figuring out things in that field.
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May 14, 2015, 07:01:39 AM
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I don't think its possible to do what you pretend to do unless you are converting all of your fiat using LocalBitcoins and meeting up with people IRL. If you use regular exchanges you give way too much data.

what about using stuff like all4btc or buying with bitcoin without dumping? you scould evade pretty easy taxes collection

they could track(and it would not be easy) only if the amount i very large
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June 03, 2015, 10:21:42 PM
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In some parts of the world if you do not pay back the debt the debt collector can seize any property from you. In the uK debt collection agencies send out bailiffs to the debtors house to collect any property that might be worth something, like cars, computers, furniture, jewellery, which will be auctioned off for roughly 50% of it's value and paid off against the debt. I assume this could extend to Bitcoin. You cannot prevent the Bailiffs from entering your house, if you do they will call the police who will try and force their way in. And you have to pay the Bailiffs a fee too which is automatically added onto the debt. They can also come back as many times as they want. This might seem bad but it isn't as bad as other parts of the world like South Korea where the debt collector can literally just show up at your door and break your legs if you don't pay up.

I'd say it may be possible to hide your money with Bitcoin. If you don't give up the password, there isn't a whole lot they can do about it. Though I strongly advise against doing this as it's almost certainly illegal, though I am not an expert on law or anything.

Wow. I don't use debt except for my mortgage but I would love to see these "bailifs" try that in the US. We have car recovery agents assaulted and even shot at times. I guess we have differeing opinions on private property and owership here.

To the original question, put your coins in a paper wallet and hide it well. Then wipe the hard drive on the computer you used to generate the wallet.   

Haha yeah ... show up to my place in the boonies and try to take my property without a court order. I forgot the rest of the world is a bunch of unarmed pansies.

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June 03, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
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it would certainly be easy enough to convert fiat to btc then declare bankruptcy .. or evade a court order seizing your assets by buying bitcoins
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June 04, 2015, 12:06:02 AM
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Before they do anything that hurts, they will have to take you to court.

No, they don't.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/if-wages-are-garnished-rights-33050.html

Wage Garnishments for Student Loans

The U.S. Department of Education (or any agency trying to collect a student loan on its behalf) can garnish up to 15% of your pay if you are in default on a student loan. No lawsuit or court order is required for this type of garnishment; if you are in default, your wages can be garnished.


Haha yeah ... show up to my place in the boonies and try to take my property without a court order. I forgot the rest of the world is a bunch of unarmed pansies.

Then the next day you get shot dead by ATF agents. That is the realistic outcome of your fantasy.

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