'We’re seeing revival of Nazism & fascism in Ukraine'

[galdur]

Published on Apr 9, 2015
Ukrainian MPs have passed a law that officially recognizes Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with Nazis in the 20th century as 'freedom fighters'. Members of several official, underground and paramilitary groups, including the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army, operated from 1917 till 1991. They fought 'for the country's independence,' and are now granted social benefits by the new law. RT talks to political analyst Alexander Pavic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uljUTmLaGZ4

[galdur]

Ukrainian neo-Nazis ‘taboo subject in the West’

RT: As we've heard, Ukraine's ambassador has said far-right units are not just fighting alongside the army, but are also controlled by Kiev. Shouldn't the admission spark worries in Europe?

Neil Clark: Well, it should do, but it won’t I’m afraid because we’ve been seeing this all along. And I think the very active role that far-right groups have played on the pro-government side in Ukraine since or before the violent coup of the last year has been ignored, has been a sort of taboo subject in the West. We are not supposed to notice the very strong element of neo-Nazism, fascist and far-right elements on the pro-western side in Ukraine. We are not supposed to mention it. And it’s quite interesting, isn’t it? We compare the coverage of Ukraine with Hungary, whereas in Hungary you only have to be a moderate nationalist to be labeled a far-rightist or a neo-Nazi or a fascist there.

John McCain, the US neo-con senator actually labeled the Hungarian PM Viktor Orban “a neo-fascist dictator.” The same John McCain was on the platform with neo-fascist and far-right figures in Ukraine before the coup. So that double standards are quite extraordinary. As I said we are not supposed to notice the strong elements of the far-right in Ukraine. We are supposed to pretend that they are not there and it’s quite outrageous really.

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http://rt.com/op-edge/234123-neo-nazism-ukraine-west/

[Snail2]

You should be more open sighted on this . There are good nazis and bad nazis. Our nazis are the good ones of course (until they doing what we told them to do)...

[galdur]

You should be more open sighted on this . There are good nazis and bad nazis. Our nazis are the good ones of course (until they doing what we told them to do)...

Yeah, yeah I know. Our terrorists are freedom fighters. Our nazis are the good kind. And we´re aligned with fruitcakes running medieval kingdoms in the Middle East and with fascist garbage here and there because it suits Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and other owners of those the corporate voting machines put in charge for us. Nothing new there.

[Snail2]

Yeah, yeah I know. Our terrorists are freedom fighters. Our nazis are the good kind. And we´re aligned with fruitcakes running medieval kingdoms in the Middle East and with fascist garbage here and there because it suits Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and other owners of those the corporate voting machines put in charge for us. Nothing new there.

Well, business as usual. In addition they don't have to go far when they will need some scapegoats. So, nazis could be very handy in almost every scenario .

[galdur]

It´s a very reckless policy Snail and it´s ancient by now. Nothing lasts forever and at some point nobody at all will take those terror hollywoodshows and other cheap war productions seriously. In fact the credulity level has been tanking for years while the desperation of the producers has skyrocketed.

Now; people will typically go to great lengths in the interests of their own self-preservation. Nobody is going to like being executed/incarcerated indefinitely for mass murder, war crimes and starting wars of aggression on fraudulent pretenses (what people were hanged for 70 years ago). Expect bewildered rats here and there to scurry around in increasingly wild and erratic ways. Good luck, g

[Nemo1024]

On this topic, Kiev (read: USA) threatened that they will watch closely which countries' representatives will attend the Victory Parade in Moscow commemorating the defeat of Nazism and will mark these countries as enemies, siding with an "aggressor".

[bryant.coleman]

Some of the Right Sector retards will support anyone who is an enemy of Russia or the former USSR. They will worship the Nazis, because the Nazis exterminated some 25 million Soviet civilians during the WW2. The interesting fact is that, some 10 million out of this 25 million were ethnic Ukrainians.

[Snail2]

It´s a very reckless policy Snail and it´s ancient by now. Nothing lasts forever and at some point nobody at all will take those terror hollywoodshows and other cheap war productions seriously. In fact the credulity level has been tanking for years while the desperation of the producers has skyrocketed.

Now; people will typically go to great lengths in the interests of their own self-preservation. Nobody is going to like being executed/incarcerated indefinitely for mass murder, war crimes and starting wars of aggression on fraudulent pretenses (what people were hanged for 70 years ago). Expect bewildered rats here and there to scurry around in increasingly wild and erratic ways. Good luck, g

All "revolution" needs a bunch of expendable henchman for gaining ground and to do the dirty work. In Ukraine it's a dangerous game indeed as the govt doesn't seems to have enough popularity and internal support for consolidating itself quickly, therefore they need these guys for a longer period. That means these groups will have enough time to gain popularity and entrench themselves in power. As according to history nazis and khmm... Khazars not used to get on very well with each other, in the future we'll see interesting things over there, I guess.

[galdur]

Well, these fruitcakes in Kiev were put into power by people that have a longstanding and solid record of turning everything they touch into horseshit. Thus the lack of popularity. As for Ukraine to absolutely make sure that this shitty record was unbroken Victoria Nuland was put in charge of screwing things up. This nutball used to work for Dick Cheney in Little Bush´s administration and did so well in helping defraud through the Iraq war and other scams that she was a totally natural choice for Obama.

Of course these people also turn every military force they "train" and "advise" into totally useless crap. This then hands over U.S. supplied weapons to the enemy on a regular basis. It´s really strange. But of course armaments manufacturers and other corporate owners of politicians like this insane policy a lot. The more nonsense and waste the better for their bottom line.

[Balthazar]

Of course these people also turn every military force they "train" and "advise" into totally useless crap.

Good for Novorossian AF.

[galdur]

April 10th 75 years ago. Nazi forces are already well entrenched in Norway, the day after the invasion starts.

Well, the Norwegians sure as hell have no statues of Quisling but Bandera and other murdering WW2 scum are national heroes in Ukraine, at least in some of the area of that country that modern day nazis control. And they have statues.

[galdur]

US Training Nazis, Western Media Providing Cover

It has become a popular position both in the mainstream and pseudo-alternative media, and among those on the Russophobic left, to downplay the significant fascist influence on the political and military institutions, as well as the cultural character of the “New Ukraine.” Quite often, the reality of Ukrainian fascism is obscured by vague assertions that such conclusions are merely “Russian propaganda,” that they are simply Kremlin talking points, and not statements of objective reality.

Indeed, influential political figures such as the ever-hilarious John McCain and Jen Psaki, and global media brands like The Guardian and FOX, have all rushed to the nearest camera or twitter account to proclaim that Ukraine is “free” and that we should “stand united” with it. Carefully embedded in these pleas is the notion that Ukraine is democratic, and that whatever “ultra-nationalists” – coded language for fascists and Nazis – exist, are merely a marginal influence at best. ...... more

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-training-nazis-western-media-providing-cover/5444500

[BitMos]

sorry to often contradicts you, but they can't train Nazi... I know I play with words, you know why? they are Nazis. you know who think a like try to fuck the world togheter... poor uncultivated, they have no idea about PLAoC.... hahahaha... no mercy,,, ahh and everyone that worked for cnn... live hd 4k, how ironic... I love bathing in blood of subhumans... . I just hope they aren't too toxic for the trees... may be a little bit of preprocessing (like boiling or what ever, anyway I don't care, as long as they aren't). thank you for your kindness (never lose focus).

[Nemo1024]

US Training Nazis, Western Media Providing Cover

It has become a popular position both in the mainstream and pseudo-alternative media, and among those on the Russophobic left, to downplay the significant fascist influence on the political and military institutions, as well as the cultural character of the “New Ukraine.” Quite often, the reality of Ukrainian fascism is obscured by vague assertions that such conclusions are merely “Russian propaganda,” that they are simply Kremlin talking points, and not statements of objective reality.

Indeed, influential political figures such as the ever-hilarious John McCain and Jen Psaki, and global media brands like The Guardian and FOX, have all rushed to the nearest camera or twitter account to proclaim that Ukraine is “free” and that we should “stand united” with it. Carefully embedded in these pleas is the notion that Ukraine is democratic, and that whatever “ultra-nationalists” – coded language for fascists and Nazis – exist, are merely a marginal influence at best. ...... more

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-training-nazis-western-media-providing-cover/5444500

There is only one point that I disagree with in that article, and that is its criticism of Associated Press.

AP refers to criticism of the Azov Battalion for its “far-right sentiments including brandishing an emblem widely used in Nazi Germany.” Unpack that deliberately, deceptively circumspect language, and it becomes clear that there is a fear, if not outright refusal, to call Azov Battalion what they are: Nazis.

AP operates within the constraints of the Washington party line and its implied censorship. And they are resorting to the same mechanisms as the press in the Soviet Union did - a language, and packaging of facts that expected the reader to read between the lines, but still fooled the censorship enough to be allowed into print. And whereas someone from the Soviet era would immediately read "Nazi Azov Battalion" when seeing "Azov Battalion, a volunteer force that has attracted criticism for its far-right sentiments including brandishing an emblem widely used in Nazi Germany.", the Western readers still have to train themselves in this art of reading between the lines. When the above quote is read directly, the author of the article comes to the conclusion that "Unpack that deliberately, deceptively circumspect language, and it becomes clear that there is a fear, if not outright refusal, to call Azov Battalion what they are: Nazis."

We should here remember that is is the Associated Press reporter that asked the most inconvenient and truth-seeking questions of Paski, causing her to psaki even more. So it is difficult to accuse AP of deceit. It is more that in order to actually print the truth that they find, they first have to bypass the censorship...

[Nemo1024]

On the 16th of April, the Ukrainian historian and journalist Oles Buzina was murdered. Now, the Nazi authorities, puppeteered from America, have basically taken responsibility for the atrocity. All his books became banned in Ukraine, and removed from the shelves of the book stores:
http://lifenews.ru/news/153012
Thus they are trying to kill him the second time by silencing his works, which are, in fact are pro-Ukrainian, but just don't follow the Soros-written distorted history of Ukraine as indoctrinated there.

American handlers, when prohibiting his books, have definitely not studied the Russian history and the mindset of a Russian (and Ukrainians - minus Galicians - are, by and large - Russians). The best way to ensure that a book is read by the largest possible audience over the shortest possible span of time by is banning it. It's always been like that - both in Russia before the 1917 coup d'etat, and during the Soviet times. Pirate copies of copies of the books would circulate from hand to hand...

[blumangroup]

We’re seeing revival of Nazism & fascism in Ukraine' we have seen that in the US since ww2 when they take the high up nazis and put them in positions of power, all the money movers are worse as they are the ones who funded and built the party.

[freemind1]

I hope not, if something were to happen not only lose my faith in humanity, but i seem to be extinguished either by allowing such a thing to another already passed.

[Balthazar]

On the 16th of April, the Ukrainian historian and journalist Oles Buzina was murdered. Now, the Nazi authorities, puppeteered from America, have basically taken responsibility for the atrocity. All his books became banned in Ukraine, and removed from the shelves of the book stores:

And what did you expect from the typical ukrainian democracy?

[bryant.coleman]

American handlers, when prohibiting his books, have definitely not studied the Russian history and the mindset of a Russian (and Ukrainians - minus Galicians - are, by and large - Russians). The best way to ensure that a book is read by the largest possible audience over the shortest possible span of time by is banning it. It's always been like that - both in Russia before the 1917 coup d'etat, and during the Soviet times. Pirate copies of copies of the books would circulate from hand to hand...

Internet penetration is very high in the former USSR, and it is not actually possible to ban anything. Even if his books are banned in the hard copy format, they will be downloaded in their millions from various user forums. The idiots of the Kiev junta has made Oles Buzina a martyr by murdering him and banning his works.