Cop "accidently" shoots and kills man.

[CoolRunnings21]

Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Thanks for clearing that up, I was gonna say that is madness.

My favorite part of that article

Sheriff Stanley Glanz described Reserve Deputy Robert Charles "Bob" Bates as a longtime friend who made "an error" last week when he fatally shot an unarmed man trying to flee deputies during an undercover operation to retrieve stolen guns.


"He made an error," Glanz said. "How many errors are made in an operating room every week?"

An investigator retained by the Sheriff's Office found that Bates violated no policies. The case is now in the hands of the District Attorney's Office.

Asked if he thought the shooting was justified, Glanz said, "That is a hard word for me to answer."


What a bullshit excuse, if any citizen "accidently" shot someone it would be murder and the sheriff would be talking about how if you shoot someone you need to pay the price. They love nailing huge trumped on charges on people over petty shit. I was reading the other day somehwere in Florida a kid changed the windows start up screen on a teacher's computer he didnt like to two guys kissing. They are now charging him with felony computer crimes because somewhere on that computer was encrypted test files.

And the last thing I bolded, does he mean the guy that was shot was a piece of shit in his eyes so it was somewhat justified?

[cellard]

This is getting pretty crazy. These guys they are on Grand Theft Auto V or something, to be shooting random people like that.

[hofor]

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.

[jaysabi]

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.

Look right under the guy's photo at the top of the article, that's where I got the information from:
"RESERVE DEPUTY Bob Bates: He was assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations."

Also, this from the article:

Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.

[jaysabi]

Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Thanks for clearing that up, I was gonna say that is madness.

My favorite part of that article

Sheriff Stanley Glanz described Reserve Deputy Robert Charles "Bob" Bates as a longtime friend who made "an error" last week when he fatally shot an unarmed man trying to flee deputies during an undercover operation to retrieve stolen guns.


"He made an error," Glanz said. "How many errors are made in an operating room every week?"

An investigator retained by the Sheriff's Office found that Bates violated no policies. The case is now in the hands of the District Attorney's Office.

Asked if he thought the shooting was justified, Glanz said, "That is a hard word for me to answer."


What a bullshit excuse, if any citizen "accidently" shot someone it would be murder and the sheriff would be talking about how if you shoot someone you need to pay the price. They love nailing huge trumped on charges on people over petty shit. I was reading the other day somehwere in Florida a kid changed the windows start up screen on a teacher's computer he didnt like to two guys kissing. They are now charging him with felony computer crimes because somewhere on that computer was encrypted test files.

And the last thing I bolded, does he mean the guy that was shot was a piece of shit in his eyes so it was somewhat justified?

Yeah, the way the Sheriff is defending this guy sounds like a couple of Good Ole Boys looking out for each other. His refusal to answer the question is probably because he knows he's in deep trouble. I'm glad the prosecutor had enough sense to bring charges, because the "independent" review by the police department shockingly found no violation of the law!

[waterpile]

I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath

[Sithara007]

I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath

This is really bad. We are talking about a dead man. He might have a family, kids and parents who were waiting for him.

[waterpile]

I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath

This is really bad. We are talking about a dead man. He might have a family, kids and parents who were waiting for him.

Even if he did survive from that tragedy, he won't be coming home to his family coz he will go to jail for selling illegal firearms.

[hofor]

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.

Look right under the guy's photo at the top of the article, that's where I got the information from:
"RESERVE DEPUTY Bob Bates: He was assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations."

Also, this from the article:

Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.

Ok, thanks for the info. It isn't as bad as previously thought then (as in, they are seemingly not sending rich guys onto the streets with no training after all). Of course, killing the guy is still bad.

[Sithara007]

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

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Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.

Ok, thanks for the info. It isn't as bad as previously thought then (as in, they are seemingly not sending rich guys onto the streets with no training after all). Of course, killing the guy is still bad.

Killing anyone is bad. And it would only stop if we can control the Gun Lobby. But it seems to people behind the Gun culture are too strong to do anything against them. Even Obmama failed to do anything against them last year after the Shooting incident in School.

[Mikestang]

What type of fucking person that carries a gun can't remember which side of their body, left or right, it is on?  These people shouldn't be allowed out of their house, let alone to carry a firearm.  Give the "cop" the death penalty.

[pissedoff]

theres to much of this happening now you dont hear of this in many other countries why is it only america?

[redsn0w]

theres to much of this happening now you dont hear of this in many other countries why is it only america?

Because the America is (supposed to be) the land of freedom  or it is that I have heard about it in the past years. However I agree with you, those things (may) happen also in the other countries, not only in the USA.

[Gyfts]

This is precisely why we need body cams on every active officer during their shifts. The person who shot the person knew he messed up. Without that footage, he could have easily manipulated the situation to put the blame on the suspect rather than himself. Seeing as the suspect died, there would be no way to oppose.

[tribefan89]

This is precisely why we need body cams on every active officer during their shifts. The person who shot the person knew he messed up. Without that footage, he could have easily manipulated the situation to put the blame on the suspect rather than himself. Seeing as the suspect died, there would be no way to oppose.

Exactly! The fact that most municipalities are soooo slow to adopt the technology that would COMPLETELY EXONERATE their officers IF they were innocent makes me think that there is something fishy. I mean how hard would it be??

[notlist3d]

A interesting/sad twist possibly is showing up now. Read the article on CNN- http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

It sounds like he possibly bought his way into being a cop by donating.   No matter what a sad story indeed.

[Sithara007]

A interesting/sad twist possibly is showing up now. Read the article on CNN- http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

It sounds like he possibly bought his way into being a cop by donating.   No matter what a sad story indeed.

It's indeed s sad story. Government and the department should do something about it so that incident like these should not repeat in future.

[redsn0w]

A interesting/sad twist possibly is showing up now. Read the article on CNN- http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

It sounds like he possibly bought his way into being a cop by donating.   No matter what a sad story indeed.

It's indeed s sad story. Government and the department should do something about it so that incident like these should not repeat in future.

Do you think they are worried about that situation? In my honest opinion I think they aren't, because ever time it happens something like that and the 'cop' does not pay for his mistake. They should be more prepared in their work.

[notlist3d]

A interesting/sad twist possibly is showing up now. Read the article on CNN- http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

It sounds like he possibly bought his way into being a cop by donating.   No matter what a sad story indeed.

It's indeed s sad story. Government and the department should do something about it so that incident like these should not repeat in future.

Do you think they are worried about that situation? In my honest opinion I think they aren't, because ever time it happens something like that and the 'cop' does not pay for his mistake. They should be more prepared in their work.

I would think they are worried about the fallout.  The more they seem to investigate the worse it sounds.  At first sounded like a horrible mistake.  But if it's true he bought his way onto police... makes you wonder on training.

I think it will continue to get airtime on news which will keep it in public eye.  Eventually I predict some kind of lawsuit and most likely settlement that will be under wraps.

[Sithara007]

A interesting/sad twist possibly is showing up now. Read the article on CNN- http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

It sounds like he possibly bought his way into being a cop by donating.   No matter what a sad story indeed.

It's indeed s sad story. Government and the department should do something about it so that incident like these should not repeat in future.

Do you think they are worried about that situation? In my honest opinion I think they aren't, because ever time it happens something like that and the 'cop' does not pay for his mistake. They should be more prepared in their work.

And how can be they more prepared in their work? I think they are the best compared to cops of all the countries around the world.