Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official)

[peasant]

Man Hunt! 

[CoinCidental]

Hell no. Just suggesting he may be even more fucked than his investors. Or that it's possible that even if he is tracked down, there may not be any money there to recover. Not that he shouldn't be tracked down, of course.

From what I've seen and heard, I believe he got away with somewhere between $1 million and $1.5 million. But I suppose it could be anywhere between zero and $5 million. There's only one way to find out and that's to track him down.

short of beating it out of him theres not much anyone can do if he refuses to answer any questions 

[DonShrents]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

[DonShrents]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

Sadly my lawyer thinks criminal charges will help a civil case.

BTW who are you?

I am DonShrents. Who are you ?

[DonShrents]

Obviously I am a Sock Puppet account, but seeing that you (Goat) are unable to keep PMs private, I can not divulge my real identity to you in fear of having my main account revealed.

Sorry.

~DonShrents

[myrkul]

~DonShrents

All the info one needs to ID the poster. 

[myrkul]

~DonShrents

All the info one needs to ID the poster. 

I kinda doubt it is Pirate but a troll pretending to be one. I would bet it is Matthew before I would bet it is pirate.

Hint: It's not Pirate.

[DonShrents]

~DonShrents

All the info one needs to ID the poster. 

I kinda doubt it is Pirate but a troll pretending to be one. I would bet it is Matthew before I would bet it is pirate.

Yes. I am a troll. A troll who is leading the charge against Trendon Shavers with new information and actual contact to his family.

If you think that I am against you (hint: I AM ON YOUR SIDE) then you don't belong in this fight, as your Forum Skills are lacking to a degree that puts you below newb status.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention and look at my recent posts, then look at who is backing me up and already knows my true identity.

~DonShrents

[dancingnancy]

~DonShrents

All the info one needs to ID the poster.  

I kinda doubt it is Pirate but a troll pretending to be one. I would bet it is Matthew before I would bet it is pirate.

Hint: It's not Pirate.

I don't know who he is, but Gage/Bruno does and says that we can trust him.

Can you link this?

[Raoul Duke]

Those spaces before the question marks...

[coinft]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

[DOH!]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

[Rassah]

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

criminal charges =/= cops. There are other entities, like FBI, SEC, etc. Organizations specifically designed to deal with internet and financial crimes. As for what they do, once they quietly collect enough information on you, they bust down your door and haul you away.

[evolve]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

[CoinCidental]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

good news is since last weeks blackmailer of Mitt Romney demanded to be paid in bitcoins
i think every coffee drinkin do-nut consuming knucklehead on the force will have heard of
BTC by now

[SgtSpike]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

good news is since last weeks blackmailer of Mitt Romney demanded to be paid in bitcoins
i think every coffee drinkin do-nut consuming knucklehead on the force will have heard of
BTC by now

Next cop I see, I'm going to ask if he's heard of Bitcoins before.   

[CoinCidental]

Criminal Charges should be a last resort, as that leaves the least chance of getting any money back.

Civil Cases should be tried first and if all else fails and it's clear that we will not see anything back, then we feed him to the Government Agencies.

This won't help. No matter what *you* promise, someone else *will* instigate criminal charges later because it's easy to do. Hence the promise of letting him off easy if he pays back does not work.

A criminal case on the other hand may strengthen it because it basically is free investigation (and maybe intimidation).

Avoiding a criminal case now is a delaying tactic. Is that your agenda?

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

good news is since last weeks blackmailer of Mitt Romney demanded to be paid in bitcoins
i think every coffee drinkin do-nut consuming knucklehead on the force will have heard of
BTC by now

Next cop I see, I'm going to ask if he's heard of Bitcoins before.   

hel probably ask you if youve heard of pepper spray before ?

[coinft]

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

The fuck are you gonna do about it else?

Plead and whine at the scammer while assuring him you are not going to the authorities? Fail.

Another question: what harm will do cops do (assuming you aren't involved with this scam)?

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[evolve]

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

The fuck are you gonna do about it else?

Plead and whine at the scammer while assuring him you are not going to the authorities? Fail.

Another question: what harm will do cops do (assuming you aren't involved with this scam)?

First of all, Why did you quote me as saying that?

Secondly, What in the fuck are you talking about?

Either way, pretty sure the cops aren't going to care about a stupid bet made by a bunch of anonymous people online. They have real criminals to chase.

[DOH!]

The fuck are the cops gonna do about it?

The fuck are you gonna do about it else?

Plead and whine at the scammer while assuring him you are not going to the authorities? Fail.

Another question: what harm will do cops do (assuming you aren't involved with this scam)?

[/quote]

Yeah, I must be involved with the scam... derp.  I was merely pointing out that since the entire 'investment' and bet with matthew were made using bitcoin and the US government does not regulate bitcoin, the cops aren't going to do a damn thing about it.  I imagine it would be much like some ten year old kid calling 911 saying that some guy on the internet just stole all his WoW gold, the cop laughing, and then returning to his dunkin's.  You might have luck in a civil lawsuit, but even that is unprecedented. I believe the first bitcoin lawsuit is in litigation atm, and that was for breach of contract. I don't know what the original contract terms were for btcst, if someone could link it that would be helpful.  It seems that I remember someone saying that there was a statement made about high risk, blah blah blah you might lose everything, etc. so I don't think there are grounds for breach of contract.  Please disregard this if there is some glaring error in logic, but it seems air-tight to me.