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Today we have Google (GOOGL). Don’t let the geeky façade, whimsical multicolored logo and “don’t be evil” mantra fool you. Google may very well be the most sinister threat and wicked incarnation of them all.

In an interview with the Atlantic almost five years ago, the search empire’s dark lord himself, Eric Schmidt, said, “Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it.” He said, “I would argue that implanting things in your brain is beyond the creepy line … at least for the moment until the technology gets better.”

Then things got even creepier when Schmidt said, “We don’t need you to type at all because we know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less guess what you’re thinking about.” Then he paused and asked, “Is that over the line?”

Clearly, this creepy virtual line of Google’s is not just a moving target but a highly subjective one. How do they know when they’ve crossed it? Perhaps the more appropriate question to ask is how many lines does Google have to cross before its executives realize – before we realize – that they’re doing evil?

It’s easy to forget that Google once had a deep partnership with Apple. Then, while Steve Jobs mentored co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin and Schmidt sat on Apple’s (AAPL) board of directors, Android magically transformed from a BlackBerry-like (BBRY) phone with a physical keyboard into an iPhone clone.

And all the while – right up until the Federal Trade Commission forced Schmidt off Apple’s board on anticompetitive concerns – he maintained that Android did not compete with iPhone. A year later, Apple’s iPad was immediately followed by Android tablets which I’m sure were not competitors either.

Does that cross the line? Is that evil? Jobs certainly thought so. He was furious over the betrayal, calling Android “a stolen product” and vowing to “go thermonuclear war” on Google in Walter Isaacson’s biography of Apple’s iconic CEO.   

Between Google Search, Gmail, Maps, Android, YouTube, Glass, Now, Books, Wallet, Chromecast, Wear, Nest and its alliance with car companies, Google now knows more about you than you do. It knows what you want, where you are, whom you’re with, what you read, what you buy, even what pictures and videos you create and look at.

As Infoworld’s Robert X. Cringely so aptly put it, “Santa works for Google now.” 

While much of that is ostensibly “with your permission” and to “improve your search results,” as Schmidt says repeatedly, that’s just part of the story. Permissions are notoriously difficult to find and manage. And when you’re logged into your Google account, rest assured that the omnipresent eyes of Google are upon you.

Remember that nearly all of Google’s massive profits and revenues come from search advertising. That’s what funds the company’s ever-expanding presence in our lives. So when Schmidt or Page talk about improving search results, they really mean improving their ability to target you with contextual ads.

Not to sound paranoid or conspiratorial, but before long, those ads won’t just be limited to computer screens. They’ll be anywhere and everywhere Google can reach you.

And that’s just for starters. The Google Empire is expanding into everything from self-driving cars and virtual reality to broadband fiber and neural networks. It’s even collecting genetic and molecular information from thousands of people to map humans in a way that’s eerily reminiscent of how it maps the world’s streets.

Page says he wants Google to be much, much larger than it is today. In a Wired interview where he talked about the dozens of disparate projects the company has going on – what they call moon shots – he said, “Imagine what we could do if we had a hundred times as many employees. Anything is scalable.”

That would give the company millions of employees and make Google far and away the biggest and most powerful company in history. You would think the U.S. Justice Department or the FTC might have something to say about that. But then, you’d be wrong.

Last month the Wall Street Journal obtained a 160-page report from the trade agency’s bureau of competition that recommended the commission bring an antitrust suit against the search giant. It claimed Google’s actions have done and will continue to do “real harm to consumers and to innovation in the online search and advertising markets.”

And yet, the agency’s commissioners ultimately decided against and closed the investigation. Why? Could it be that Google was the second-largest donor to President Obama’s reelection campaign or that the company’s executives spend so much time at the White House that the administration is thinking of redoing the Green Room in Google’s multicolor scheme?

Don’t be silly. There’s no cronyism in Washington.

Finally, European regulators last week filed an antitrust action claiming Google skews search results in favor of its own shopping network, a practice that Yelp and others have long complained about. The European Commission also added a new investigation to its ongoing efforts, this one over Google’s Android operating system.

Don’t tell me we’re going to need Europe to save us from the evil empire. How ironic can you get?



http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2015/04/20/why-google-is-new-evil-empire/


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I see this as a motivation to have the brains among us develop the next open, unstoppable peer to peer/decentralized search engine. Ethereum based?



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April 21, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
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because you can search :

https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&btnG=Search&q=dsk+under+age

https://www.google.com/search?q=epstein+under+age&btnG=Search&gbv=1

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+bill+lolita+express&btnG=Search&gbv=1

and on and on... so of course the best data is the one they want removed... ahahah

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understand the meaning of available... and mypf.

edit: and worst forevermore.

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April 21, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
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Should we destroy this new evil empire? Or just let it be and live with it? Where is new gorbachev who would destroy it? =))
Oh wait, cryptocurrency and decentralization is an answer for this actually. Fuck big brother!

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http://yacy.net/

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April 21, 2015, 07:24:42 PM
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Should we destroy this new evil empire? Or just let it be and live with it? Where is new gorbachev who would destroy it? =))
Oh wait, cryptocurrency and decentralization is an answer for this actually. Fuck big brother!


There was no need of 'destroying' bulky black and white Tvs. They became irrelevant. That is what I mean with my comment in the OP at the end.


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April 21, 2015, 07:29:11 PM
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You can protect yourself.
I've tuned my browser to block all cookies from google.com and I use startpage.com for my searches.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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April 21, 2015, 07:41:08 PM
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I am un-googleing my life as time goes on. The utility they offer is no longer worth the security concerns I have. I search with StartPage or DuckDuckGo. I avoid google services or fill their databases with utter B.S. about me.
The hard part is my phone. Since they own Android it is impossible to get away from google using Android. There is a project to make an Ubuntu Linux phone, but it's taking forever.

Little by little Google is becoming evil. I think it was just last week they announced that not only are you forbidden from uploading youtube videos anonymously, you will not be allowed to view them anonymously anymore.

IMO, Google is the most powerful company on the planet. Their rise has revealed a major flaw in the internet as it exists today and the countermeasures are cryptography and anonymity. 

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April 21, 2015, 07:46:36 PM
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Should we destroy this new evil empire? Or just let it be and live with it? Where is new gorbachev who would destroy it? =))
Oh wait, cryptocurrency and decentralization is an answer for this actually. Fuck big brother!

There was no need of 'destroying' bulky black and white Tvs. They became irrelevant. That is what I mean with my comment in the OP at the end.


Hah, I agree. Decentralization rule! Next step is a completely decentralized, uncontrolled, encrypted and free internet - hyperboria. All hail CJDNS! =))

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April 21, 2015, 07:58:37 PM
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Google has been the best search engine for me but their ads are quite irritating. Their voice recognition features retrieves mostly irrelevant results and if they are storing my searches, I don't mind till my privacy isn't hurt. They also save data and predict the preferences of a person but their predicted data is mostly inaccurate.

I am just waiting for this and hope it works well "The Google Empire is expanding into everything from self-driving cars and virtual reality to broadband fiber and neural networks." It has been a long wait for me.


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Here is a weird post script to my rant about Google/youtube. My wife was setting up her new unlocked phone over the weekend and I wanted to see how the fast processor rendered video. It was right out of the box and only just connected to wifi at a restaurant. (no cell service).

I went to youtube and when the page loaded it had a list of suggested videos that could only have been compiled for me. Weird videos that I have seen. The first being a Ryan Cleckner video on long range shooting. (The link is below and he is awesome at explaining things).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2PZBD5Tjg  

So what? Well, how the F did it know it was me? The only thing I have been able to come up with is that the camera ran a facial recognition search. This seems to Orwellian to be true, but I have no other theory. Anybody have another guess?

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Here is a weird post script to my rant about Google/youtube. My wife was setting up her new unlocked phone over the weekend and I wanted to see how the fast processor rendered video. It was right out of the box and only just connected to wifi at a restaurant. (no cell service).

I went to youtube and when the page loaded it had a list of suggested videos that could only have been compiled for me. Weird videos that I have seen. The first being a Ryan Cleckner video on long range shooting. (The link is below and he is awesome at explaining things).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2PZBD5Tjg  

So what? Well, how the F did it know it was me? The only thing I have been able to come up with is that the camera ran a facial recognition search. This seems to Orwellian to be true, but I have no other theory. Anybody have another guess?


The only way to be sure is to repeat this with another brand new phone in another wifi spot I guess.


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April 21, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
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Google is an "evil empire" who gives you free services and in return will sell your preferences to advertisers, but they make good products. I don't have a problem with Google remembering my searches, I am concerns on my email stored on their servers.
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April 22, 2015, 02:08:44 AM
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Google is an "evil empire" who gives you free services and in return will sell your preferences to advertisers, but they make good products. I don't have a problem with Google remembering my searches, I am concerns on my email stored on their servers.



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April 22, 2015, 09:39:11 AM
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It is freaky to realise how many people, including myself rely on those big internet players. Most of my friends and family, there is no internet, there is Google and Facebook and for some, Google is just a way to type 'facebook' and see the internet just as that, internet equals facebook, the wet dream of Zuckerberg and the likes. Why do we so heavily depend on those centralised, closed and totaly evil systems?

Would be a great sullotion if there was a true, decentralised and open social networking protocol, XML RSS or whatever that would be ready to let you share from where you are willing to put it, be it a personal website or a wordpress blog, the data is stored localy, the search is done with your personal crawler that crawls your selected feeds and tries to find feeds that are open and related to your search by empowering the crawlers of others, you become a node sending your feed, only that what you want and getting only what others want to share. You do not need big data centers if all node crawl together and share.

It should be back to the drawing board for the true geeks again and like Satoshi revolutionise something that has been doing Evil for Google is the Empire and it is striking back with force.

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April 22, 2015, 10:50:33 AM
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I like Google, I can't image if Google is disappear how can I got the information I need. It really convince for my work.
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April 22, 2015, 10:58:06 AM
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From the browser google will know only what you want them to know.
You don't have to find everything with their search engine, you don't have to use chrome.
They sell the info about you. So all you share, it's not only theirs.
And then what's the worse dark empire, Google you know about or the others buying from Google, doing a lot else with your info and you'll never know? Debatable, I'd say.


The only thing I'd be worried about would be Android, where you kinda have to share all your info.
And iOS is not better.
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April 22, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
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It is freaky to realise how many people, including myself rely on those big internet players. Most of my friends and family, there is no internet, there is Google and Facebook and for some, Google is just a way to type 'facebook' and see the internet just as that, internet equals facebook, the wet dream of Zuckerberg and the likes. Why do we so heavily depend on those centralised, closed and totaly evil systems?

Would be a great sullotion if there was a true, decentralised and open social networking protocol, XML RSS or whatever that would be ready to let you share from where you are willing to put it, be it a personal website or a wordpress blog, the data is stored localy, the search is done with your personal crawler that crawls your selected feeds and tries to find feeds that are open and related to your search by empowering the crawlers of others, you become a node sending your feed, only that what you want and getting only what others want to share. You do not need big data centers if all node crawl together and share.

It should be back to the drawing board for the true geeks again and like Satoshi revolutionise something that has been doing Evil for Google is the Empire and it is striking back with force.

There is an issue with decentralized stuff. It's owned by no one therefore no one want to maintain it. I'm afraid we'll be dependent on companies like Google for a while.
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Unfortunately Yacy not working very well. Last time when I tried by searching for "aruba 7030 short on storage" I've got this as the second most relevant hit (the first most relevant was completely unrelated too):
"??NASTY LADIES WANT MEN FOR CASUAL SEX?? Www.swanson vitamins.com 822 2100429 Complete urological evaluation."

So today it's only good for laughing on the results Smiley.
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It is freaky to realise how many people, including myself rely on those big internet players. Most of my friends and family, there is no internet, there is Google and Facebook and for some, Google is just a way to type 'facebook' and see the internet just as that, internet equals facebook, the wet dream of Zuckerberg and the likes. Why do we so heavily depend on those centralised, closed and totaly evil systems?

Would be a great sullotion if there was a true, decentralised and open social networking protocol, XML RSS or whatever that would be ready to let you share from where you are willing to put it, be it a personal website or a wordpress blog, the data is stored localy, the search is done with your personal crawler that crawls your selected feeds and tries to find feeds that are open and related to your search by empowering the crawlers of others, you become a node sending your feed, only that what you want and getting only what others want to share. You do not need big data centers if all node crawl together and share.

It should be back to the drawing board for the true geeks again and like Satoshi revolutionise something that has been doing Evil for Google is the Empire and it is striking back with force.

There is an issue with decentralized stuff. It's owned by no one therefore no one want to maintain it. I'm afraid we'll be dependent on companies like Google for a while.

The ownership is with the content creator, the owner itself, so I would like to maintain(and pay) for my website and blog, hosting my images and even maintain and install my own crawler to find things I like and people who want to share. It is owned by yourself and therefore you can decide what to share and with whom!

For economics sake there is money to be made of me, but not indirect by selling my personal data, only direct for me to secure my private data and keep it in my own hands. I can buy a crawler, an app, some storage space. But then again, why and how should an open network like that be able to keep google and facebook out? They have the means and power to overtake and ruin it again by supplying and then when people are hooked again make it a closed community again.

The digital age is all about addiction and keeping people addicted. All marketing is directed towards that goal. Keep them coming back for more only to sell them more.

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The ownership is with the content creator, the owner itself, so I would like to maintain(and pay) for my website and blog, hosting my images and even maintain and install my own crawler to find things I like and people who want to share. It is owned by yourself and therefore you can decide what to share and with whom!

For economics sake there is money to be made of me, but not indirect by selling my personal data, only direct for me to secure my private data and keep it in my own hands. I can buy a crawler, an app, some storage space. But then again, why and how should an open network like that be able to keep google and facebook out? They have the means and power to overtake and ruin it again by supplying and then when people are hooked again make it a closed community again.

The digital age is all about addiction and keeping people addicted. All marketing is directed towards that goal. Keep them coming back for more only to sell them more.

With google the main thing isn't the crawler or the indexed database but the business intelligence behind the service what provides correct answers quickly. Such systems are not a fire and forget stuff but something what needs constant tweaking and a lot of maintenance. This is what you can't really get with the existing distributed search engines, and something what the local sysadmin guy will not provide for you. BTW for example Yacy is a good tool for indexing and searching local stuff on my network, but not working very well as a generic Google like search engine.
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