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April 22, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
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Google search is killing itself by presenting me a search within a bubble they created based on their idea of what would suit me and most off all suit people selling stuff to me. If I search on google the first results are all webshops which try to convince me they sell everything I ever happen to type, that is not a good search algorithm, that is a good marketing algorithm and it becoming worse each day. Brands shops and worse the sites that only collect all the shop data to get revenue from affiliate sales all do their best to get in my face.

It will be the end of google one day. Yacy might not work correct yet, but the idea is what counts, trying to convince people of its benefits is hard, especially in the initial state, it needs to grow, but how can you next to the goliaths of searching and internet.

Google is too dependant of its add revenue and its shareholders not to be evil and say, hey, decentralised searching is better for everyone, lets work on it and dump our old model and start over with something better to make a better no evil world! They have the power and insight to do so, but the ones in control are the shareholders and the advertisers, they are caged in.

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Google will let you see everything you’ve ever searched


Google is famous for keeping discreet tabs on how people browse the Internet in order to market ads back to them and point them toward the websites, videos and services they want.

Now, it’s possible for the average Web user to get a slice of some of that information.

Over the weekend, an unofficial Google blog highlighted a new feature that the Internet giant had quietly rolled out to let people download their entire Google search histories.

To find everything they’ve ever searched for, users should go to Google Web History, click the gear icon and click “Download.”
“Create an archive of your search history data,” the Web company promises.

In a few moments, it sends an email with downloadable cache of data about people’s past searches.

The archive won’t work for people who have altered their privacy settings, and only records searches that occurred while logged in to Google, such as through Gmail.

Still, the archive is a demonstration of how much information Google quietly retains about its users. The company is by no means unique in compiling scores of data about people’s browsing habits, but its size has made it a target for privacy advocates who fear companies having access to vast amounts of personal information.

In addition to Google, companies known as data brokers — which make a business out of compiling dossiers on consumers in order to sell use for advertising — have come under scrutiny from Capitol Hill and Washington regulators, who fear that people’s privacy is not being adequately protected.

That search history can also be useful to the government, in order to track down potential terrorists or criminals. Among other things, federal agents are able to subpoena lists of search histories from companies like Google during the course of an investigation.


http://thehill.com/policy/technology/239487-google-will-let-you-see-everything-youve-ever-searched


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April 22, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
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Google search is killing itself by presenting me a search within a bubble they created based on their idea of what would suit me and most off all suit people selling stuff to me. If I search on google the first results are all webshops which try to convince me they sell everything I ever happen to type, that is not a good search algorithm, that is a good marketing algorithm and it becoming worse each day. Brands shops and worse the sites that only collect all the shop data to get revenue from affiliate sales all do their best to get in my face.

It will be the end of google one day. Yacy might not work correct yet, but the idea is what counts, trying to convince people of its benefits is hard, especially in the initial state, it needs to grow, but how can you next to the goliaths of searching and internet.

Google is too dependant of its add revenue and its shareholders not to be evil and say, hey, decentralised searching is better for everyone, lets work on it and dump our old model and start over with something better to make a better no evil world! They have the power and insight to do so, but the ones in control are the shareholders and the advertisers, they are caged in.


Will YaCy Hurt Google Search?


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April 22, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
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The hard part is my phone. Since they own Android it is impossible to get away from google using Android. There is a project to make an Ubuntu Linux phone, but it's taking forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod (though Microsoft have invested now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant_(operating_system)

or just keep using Android but without a Google account and use the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid store for everything instead

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April 22, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
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The hard part is my phone. Since they own Android it is impossible to get away from google using Android. There is a project to make an Ubuntu Linux phone, but it's taking forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod (though Microsoft have invested now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant_(operating_system)

or just keep using Android but without a Google account and use the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid store for everything instead

Thanks for these alternatives. I know and using CyanogenMod but wasn't aware of Replicant.
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April 22, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
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The hard part is my phone. Since they own Android it is impossible to get away from google using Android. There is a project to make an Ubuntu Linux phone, but it's taking forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod (though Microsoft have invested now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant_(operating_system)

or just keep using Android but without a Google account and use the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid store for everything instead
Yes, thanks. I have heard of these also but not checked them out. I do use GetJar as an alternate repository. Although it has been buggy for me.

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April 22, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
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These two articles were mentioned in another thread, but they are worth repeating again:
https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1

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April 22, 2015, 04:30:25 PM
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Stopped reading at "FoxBusiness"

read a book http://www.amazon.com/Googled-The-End-World-Know/dp/0143118048

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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April 22, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
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also i don't like to repeat myself, but...

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/04/17/google-has-patented-ability-control-robot-army

the http://google.com/killer-robots.txt joke is becoming less and less funny each day...

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April 22, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
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All the big companies try to get bigger on behalf of their users and popularity. Even the small ones try that, just they are not that visible really.
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April 22, 2015, 05:31:36 PM
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An alternative: https://www.yandex.com/

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April 22, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
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Stopped reading at "FoxBusiness"

read a book http://www.amazon.com/Googled-The-End-World-Know/dp/0143118048


I do my best to bring foxnews links to a minimum as of respect for people suffering from FDS




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April 22, 2015, 06:48:44 PM
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Google’s Wireless service, “Project Fi,” is official, but invite only

Pricing starts at $20 per month plus $10 per GB, but only works with Nexus 6.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfFHnBQ6nQg




http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/googles-wireless-service-project-fi-is-official-but-invite-only/





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Today we have Google (GOOGL). Don’t let the geeky façade, whimsical multicolored logo and “don’t be evil” mantra fool you. Google may very well be the most sinister threat and wicked incarnation of them all.

In an interview with the Atlantic almost five years ago, the search empire’s dark lord himself, Eric Schmidt, said, “Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it.” He said, “I would argue that implanting things in your brain is beyond the creepy line … at least for the moment until the technology gets better.”

Then things got even creepier when Schmidt said, “We don’t need you to type at all because we know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less guess what you’re thinking about.” Then he paused and asked, “Is that over the line?”

Clearly, this creepy virtual line of Google’s is not just a moving target but a highly subjective one. How do they know when they’ve crossed it? Perhaps the more appropriate question to ask is how many lines does Google have to cross before its executives realize – before we realize – that they’re doing evil?

It’s easy to forget that Google once had a deep partnership with Apple. Then, while Steve Jobs mentored co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin and Schmidt sat on Apple’s (AAPL) board of directors, Android magically transformed from a BlackBerry-like (BBRY) phone with a physical keyboard into an iPhone clone.

And all the while – right up until the Federal Trade Commission forced Schmidt off Apple’s board on anticompetitive concerns – he maintained that Android did not compete with iPhone. A year later, Apple’s iPad was immediately followed by Android tablets which I’m sure were not competitors either.

Does that cross the line? Is that evil? Jobs certainly thought so. He was furious over the betrayal, calling Android “a stolen product” and vowing to “go thermonuclear war” on Google in Walter Isaacson’s biography of Apple’s iconic CEO.   

Between Google Search, Gmail, Maps, Android, YouTube, Glass, Now, Books, Wallet, Chromecast, Wear, Nest and its alliance with car companies, Google now knows more about you than you do. It knows what you want, where you are, whom you’re with, what you read, what you buy, even what pictures and videos you create and look at.

As Infoworld’s Robert X. Cringely so aptly put it, “Santa works for Google now.” 

While much of that is ostensibly “with your permission” and to “improve your search results,” as Schmidt says repeatedly, that’s just part of the story. Permissions are notoriously difficult to find and manage. And when you’re logged into your Google account, rest assured that the omnipresent eyes of Google are upon you.

Remember that nearly all of Google’s massive profits and revenues come from search advertising. That’s what funds the company’s ever-expanding presence in our lives. So when Schmidt or Page talk about improving search results, they really mean improving their ability to target you with contextual ads.

Not to sound paranoid or conspiratorial, but before long, those ads won’t just be limited to computer screens. They’ll be anywhere and everywhere Google can reach you.

And that’s just for starters. The Google Empire is expanding into everything from self-driving cars and virtual reality to broadband fiber and neural networks. It’s even collecting genetic and molecular information from thousands of people to map humans in a way that’s eerily reminiscent of how it maps the world’s streets.

Page says he wants Google to be much, much larger than it is today. In a Wired interview where he talked about the dozens of disparate projects the company has going on – what they call moon shots – he said, “Imagine what we could do if we had a hundred times as many employees. Anything is scalable.”

That would give the company millions of employees and make Google far and away the biggest and most powerful company in history. You would think the U.S. Justice Department or the FTC might have something to say about that. But then, you’d be wrong.

Last month the Wall Street Journal obtained a 160-page report from the trade agency’s bureau of competition that recommended the commission bring an antitrust suit against the search giant. It claimed Google’s actions have done and will continue to do “real harm to consumers and to innovation in the online search and advertising markets.”

And yet, the agency’s commissioners ultimately decided against and closed the investigation. Why? Could it be that Google was the second-largest donor to President Obama’s reelection campaign or that the company’s executives spend so much time at the White House that the administration is thinking of redoing the Green Room in Google’s multicolor scheme?

Don’t be silly. There’s no cronyism in Washington.

Finally, European regulators last week filed an antitrust action claiming Google skews search results in favor of its own shopping network, a practice that Yelp and others have long complained about. The European Commission also added a new investigation to its ongoing efforts, this one over Google’s Android operating system.

Don’t tell me we’re going to need Europe to save us from the evil empire. How ironic can you get?



http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2015/04/20/why-google-is-new-evil-empire/


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I see this as a motivation to have the brains among us develop the next open, unstoppable peer to peer/decentralized search engine. Ethereum based?





Yeah, go figure. Of course they are collecting data, they have information about everything, but it is questionable how will they use that info.. Let's just hope they won't use it for evil, as you said it.
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June 17, 2015, 12:01:04 AM
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NSA be like
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June 20, 2015, 10:38:39 AM
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From the browser google will know only what you want them to know.
You don't have to find everything with their search engine, you don't have to use chrome.
They sell the info about you. So all you share, it's not only theirs.
And then what's the worse dark empire, Google you know about or the others buying from Google, doing a lot else with your info and you'll never know? Debatable, I'd say.


The only thing I'd be worried about would be Android, where you kinda have to share all your info.
And iOS is not better.
Here a solution would be interesting.

A very apt solution would be to have an open source phone like a ubuntu phone. I think the project is still under construction but imagine the creative power the developer would have. The possibilities are n. Honestly, my privacy has never been compromised, rather protected by google and that is an important factor why I really rely and appreciate google. 

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You can protect yourself.
I've tuned my browser to block all cookies from google.com and I use startpage.com for my searches.
that is a good way to protect your computer but i think this whole thing is blown out of proportion if you are that unsure of your computers safety why go full rogue and use the tor browser but i have had people say even that may not be safe
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Today we have Google (GOOGL). Don’t let the geeky façade, whimsical multicolored logo and “don’t be evil” mantra fool you. Google may very well be the most sinister threat and wicked incarnation of them all.

In an interview with the Atlantic almost five years ago, the search empire’s dark lord himself, Eric Schmidt, said, “Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it.” He said, “I would argue that implanting things in your brain is beyond the creepy line … at least for the moment until the technology gets better.”

Then things got even creepier when Schmidt said, “We don’t need you to type at all because we know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less guess what you’re thinking about.” Then he paused and asked, “Is that over the line?”

Clearly, this creepy virtual line of Google’s is not just a moving target but a highly subjective one. How do they know when they’ve crossed it? Perhaps the more appropriate question to ask is how many lines does Google have to cross before its executives realize – before we realize – that they’re doing evil?

It’s easy to forget that Google once had a deep partnership with Apple. Then, while Steve Jobs mentored co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin and Schmidt sat on Apple’s (AAPL) board of directors, Android magically transformed from a BlackBerry-like (BBRY) phone with a physical keyboard into an iPhone clone.

And all the while – right up until the Federal Trade Commission forced Schmidt off Apple’s board on anticompetitive concerns – he maintained that Android did not compete with iPhone. A year later, Apple’s iPad was immediately followed by Android tablets which I’m sure were not competitors either.

Does that cross the line? Is that evil? Jobs certainly thought so. He was furious over the betrayal, calling Android “a stolen product” and vowing to “go thermonuclear war” on Google in Walter Isaacson’s biography of Apple’s iconic CEO.   

Between Google Search, Gmail, Maps, Android, YouTube, Glass, Now, Books, Wallet, Chromecast, Wear, Nest and its alliance with car companies, Google now knows more about you than you do. It knows what you want, where you are, whom you’re with, what you read, what you buy, even what pictures and videos you create and look at.

As Infoworld’s Robert X. Cringely so aptly put it, “Santa works for Google now.” 

While much of that is ostensibly “with your permission” and to “improve your search results,” as Schmidt says repeatedly, that’s just part of the story. Permissions are notoriously difficult to find and manage. And when you’re logged into your Google account, rest assured that the omnipresent eyes of Google are upon you.

Remember that nearly all of Google’s massive profits and revenues come from search advertising. That’s what funds the company’s ever-expanding presence in our lives. So when Schmidt or Page talk about improving search results, they really mean improving their ability to target you with contextual ads.

Not to sound paranoid or conspiratorial, but before long, those ads won’t just be limited to computer screens. They’ll be anywhere and everywhere Google can reach you.

And that’s just for starters. The Google Empire is expanding into everything from self-driving cars and virtual reality to broadband fiber and neural networks. It’s even collecting genetic and molecular information from thousands of people to map humans in a way that’s eerily reminiscent of how it maps the world’s streets.

Page says he wants Google to be much, much larger than it is today. In a Wired interview where he talked about the dozens of disparate projects the company has going on – what they call moon shots – he said, “Imagine what we could do if we had a hundred times as many employees. Anything is scalable.”

That would give the company millions of employees and make Google far and away the biggest and most powerful company in history. You would think the U.S. Justice Department or the FTC might have something to say about that. But then, you’d be wrong.

Last month the Wall Street Journal obtained a 160-page report from the trade agency’s bureau of competition that recommended the commission bring an antitrust suit against the search giant. It claimed Google’s actions have done and will continue to do “real harm to consumers and to innovation in the online search and advertising markets.”

And yet, the agency’s commissioners ultimately decided against and closed the investigation. Why? Could it be that Google was the second-largest donor to President Obama’s reelection campaign or that the company’s executives spend so much time at the White House that the administration is thinking of redoing the Green Room in Google’s multicolor scheme?

Don’t be silly. There’s no cronyism in Washington.

Finally, European regulators last week filed an antitrust action claiming Google skews search results in favor of its own shopping network, a practice that Yelp and others have long complained about. The European Commission also added a new investigation to its ongoing efforts, this one over Google’s Android operating system.

Don’t tell me we’re going to need Europe to save us from the evil empire. How ironic can you get?



http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2015/04/20/why-google-is-new-evil-empire/


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Nice article, an eye-opener I should say. But I suppose there cannot be any solution. Because if you take action against Google, then there are other in lines to become the next google.

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I pretty much use a lot of Google services at this point. I wonder what would happen to someone who gets banned from using Google.
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