BETA: A truly anonymous virtual visa / BTC service is coming in July

[absente]

A close friend of mine is working on a service and asked me to pitch it here
on the forums and report feedback back to him.

He is currently finishing up a payment processor, where you can top up virtual
visa / mastercard cards up to 10.000USD without providing a SSN, name, address
or any other personal information, not even an email.

While I cannot disclose the exact business model how he is doing it, I can tell that it is
legal and that he already registered a company in Hongkong which will be the issuer / processor.

People will get the card details right after the payment and the transaction information
will be destroyed right after the buyer confirms that he saved the information.

Please let me know if this is of interest, and also what options you would like him to include
eventually, to make the experience truly anonymous. I know of a lot "anonymous" btc to cc
processors, but no-one so far accomplished to protect your privacy 100%.

Leave suggestions or comments in this thread, I will check it regularly. Also, please send me
a PM if you want to be included in the beta starting July.

PS: This service is not committing fraud, it is just using a loophole in the HK banking system.
Using this service for any fraudulent activity will not be tolerated.  

edit: changed topic to contain "virtual"

BETA T&C

In order to prove that this offer is legit, and that the virtual debit cards are working, I am able to offer a free trial to 3 members (regulars) by the following conditions:

1) Send me a PM with a trial request, and what type of virtual card you need (or for what purpose)
2) You will receive a debit card number, cvv code, issue & valid date, topped up with $5 or $10
3) You acknowledge in this thread that you received a card for testing purposes
3) You are free to test the card for a period of 48 hours
4) When done testing, you transfer 90% of the card value to my BTC account
5) You write a short, unbiased and real review and post it in this thread

- Testing cards will be issued with USD currency only
- Let me know if you prefer a 3 digit or a 4 digit CVV code (Astropay for instance has 4 digits)
- If you already know the testing purpose, let me know. For instance some cards work better with paypal verification, amazon verification, etsy and so on.
- You cannot use the card for any illegal activities and you are solely responsible for your actions if you do so.
- Only participants with a trust value of 1 or greater, and senior members are allowed in this trial

Please write me a PM if you want to participate.

[marcotheminer]

A close friend of mine is working on a service and asked me to pitch it here
on the forums and report feedback back to him.

He is currently finishing up a payment processor, where you can top up virtual
visa / mastercard cards up to 10.000USD without providing a SSN, name, address
or any other personal information, not even an email.

While I cannot disclose the exact business model how he is doing it, I can tell that it is
legal and that he already registered a company in Hongkong which will be the issuer / processor.

People will get the card details right after the payment and the transaction information
will be destroyed right after the buyer confirms that he saved the information.

Please let me know if this is of interest, and also what options you would like him to include
eventually, to make the experience truly anonymous. I know of a lot "anonymous" btc to cc
processors, but no-one so far accomplished to protect your privacy 100%.

Leave suggestions or comments in this thread, I will check it regularly. Also, please send me
a PM if you want to be included in the beta starting July.

PS: This service is not committing fraud, it is just using a loophole in the HK banking system.
Using this service for any fraudulent activity will not be tolerated. 

Looks sketchy. Will this be legal in other countries?

A loophole is necessarily legal.

[erpbridge]

Firstly, will this be useable all over the world , as you said loophole in HK ? Also, is it to get a fiat visa card or something like a bitcoin card ?
I am sure a lot of us would be interested in the first one, as they are also sold on the forums, but if its legal and legit only then people would be interested in it.

[Amph]

i'm really interested, i'm searching for real anonymous cards since months, but without succes, but another thing that i want is low fees(no fees at all would be better, but i'm asking too much here..i think) , and no monthly fees/annual fees

[absente]

@erpbridge
its like your normal regular virtual visa / mastercard, we're not talking about a bitcoin wallet. The only difference between this service, and let's say astropay is, that your privacy is protected
when you top up your card and get it. By using the card however your privacy can be obviously compromised.

The loophole I am referring to is about the legal protection of the processor company, because selling anonymous virtual debit cards is obviously something that is viewed at in a rather "shady" perspective,
even if the sole purpose is just protecting someones privacy.

One question though: Will people be more interested in a "real" plastic version of the card? His only concern about that is that that card has to be mailed somewhere, which would compromise the privacy,
and then the whole service looses its purpose.


@marcotheminer
Yes, my reaction was quite the same. I am not sure if it is legal to use this virtual debit card - I guess it depends on the country you live in, or on the seller you are buying from. But since it's a debit card
and payments are transferred immediately, it shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

PS: I forgot to add that the available currencies will be EUR/USD/HKD/CYN for the beginning.

I can provide free samples to any regular here on the forum on a first come first serve basis, in exchange for a review and (hopefully)positive feedback

 

[absente]

i'm really interested, i'm searching for real anonymous cards since months, but without succes, but another thing that i want is low fees(no fees at all would be better, but i'm asking too much here..i think) , and no monthly fees/annual fees

There is no registration, annual or monthly fee. The validity of the card is one year. After you finish the top-up amount, you can get a new one. The only fees to be paid are top-up and conversion fees, which will be somewhere in the 2-5% range, depending of the amount - but I have no final numbers on that topic yet.

[peonminer]

@erpbridge
its like your normal regular virtual visa / mastercard, we're not talking about a bitcoin wallet. The only difference between this service, and let's say astropay is, that your privacy is protected
when you top up your card and get it. By using the card however your privacy can be obviously compromised.

The loophole I am referring to is about the legal protection of the processor company, because selling anonymous virtual debit cards is obviously something that is viewed at in a rather "shady" perspective,
even if the sole purpose is just protecting someones privacy.

One question though: Will people be more interested in a "real" plastic version of the card? His only concern about that is that that card has to be mailed somewhere, which would compromise the privacy,
and then the whole service looses its purpose.


@marcotheminer
Yes, my reaction was quite the same. I am not sure if it is legal to use this virtual debit card - I guess it depends on the country you live in, or on the seller you are buying from. But since it's a debit card
and payments are transferred immediately, it shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

PS: I forgot to add that the available currencies will be EUR/USD/HKD/CYN for the beginning.

I can provide free samples to any regular here on the forum on a first come first serve basis, in exchange for a review and (hopefully)positive feedback

 

Put me down for a free trial. I'll give an honest and noteworthy review in return as requested.

[twister]

So the transaction one makes after loading this card will be shown done from a HK bank account?

PS: I would love to be part of the free trial and will post my reviews of the experience.

[absente]

@twister

NO - that can be modified, in most cases a US credit / debit card statement will be shown to the receiver.
I will prepare some free trials* today to people who wrote in this thread and messaged me by PM.

*Please note that a free trial means that I am taking the risk giving you a low value account upfront that you can
test out by either transferring it to another card or buy something - but after testing it has to be transferred
back to me, since I am not giving away free money

[twister]

@twister

NO - that can be modified, in most cases a US credit / debit card statement will be shown to the receiver.

I see.

I will prepare some free trials* today to people who wrote in this thread and messaged me by PM.

*Please note that a free trial means that I am taking the risk giving you a low value account upfront that you can
test out by either transferring it to another card or buy something - but after testing it has to be transferred
back to me, since I am not giving away free money

It's better if you update the terms and conditions in detail about the free trial in the OP and make sure people agree to it before going through with the free* trial. I still don't know what will be the total cost of doing this. So let me know through PM and I will let you know if I want to go through with it or not.

*Since you were asking for a review in return, maybe it isn't giving away free money.

[absente]

@twister, thanks for pointing that out, here an updated T&C for the free trial:

In order to prove that this offer is legit, and that the virtual debit cards are working, I am able to offer a free trial to 3 members (regulars) by the following conditions:

1) Send me a PM with a trial request, and what type of virtual card you need (or for what purpose)
2) You will receive a debit card number, cvv code, issue & valid date, topped up with $5 or $10
3) You acknowledge in this thread that you received a card for testing purposes
3) You are free to test the card for a period of 48 hours
4) When done testing, you transfer 90% of the card value to my BTC account
5) You write a short, unbiased and real review and post it in this thread

- Testing cards will be issued with USD currency only
- Let me know if you prefer a 3 digit or a 4 digit CVV code (Astropay for instance has 4 digits)
- If you already know the testing purpose, let me know. For instance some cards work better with paypal verification, amazon verification, etsy and so on.
- You cannot use the card for any illegal activities and you are solely responsible for your actions if you do so.
- Only participants with a trust value of 1 or greater, and senior members are allowed in this trial

Please write me a PM if you want to participate.
I am updating the OP with this now.

[Amph]

i'm really interested, i'm searching for real anonymous cards since months, but without succes, but another thing that i want is low fees(no fees at all would be better, but i'm asking too much here..i think) , and no monthly fees/annual fees

There is no registration, annual or monthly fee. The validity of the card is one year. After you finish the top-up amount, you can get a new one. The only fees to be paid are top-up and conversion fees, which will be somewhere in the 2-5% range, depending of the amount - but I have no final numbers on that topic yet.

2% seems good, 5 not too much, i'm waiting for better info about this, i could order one if the fee are low enough

4) When done testing, you transfer 90% of the card value to my BTC account

what do you mean?

[absente]

4) When done testing, you transfer 90% of the card value to my BTC account

what do you mean?
[/quote]

It means that while being a beta, I cannot offer it for free, so I would expect to get 90% of the value back. Let's say I give you a card with 10$ on it, and you spend it on a voucher or whatever,
if you're satisfied and confirm that it works, I would expect to get 9$ back from you to my BTC account. The $1 left can be kept by the beta tester. This is a beta for a service, he is not offering
free money

PS: Let me know if you're interested in a trial, I like your stats and you seem trustworthy.

George

[poordeveloper]

WARNING OP IS MORE THAN LIKELY ABOUT TO LAUNDER MONEY FROM STOLEN PAYMENT CARDS

He will be performing an exchange Credit/Debit card > Bitcoin for a 10% fee, with NO verification and NO waiting.

[marcotheminer]

WARNING OP IS MORE THAN LIKELY ABOUT TO LAUNDER MONEY FROM STOLEN PAYMENT CARDS

He will be performing an exchange Credit/Debit card > Bitcoin for a 10% fee, with NO verification and NO waiting.

Do you have any  proof? It does sound dodgy though.

[poordeveloper]

Do you have any  proof? It does sound dodgy though.

Are you serious? Get the card and order something, and let us know from prison!

[absente]

WARNING OP IS MORE THAN LIKELY ABOUT TO LAUNDER MONEY FROM STOLEN PAYMENT CARDS

He will be performing an exchange Credit/Debit card > Bitcoin for a 10% fee, with NO verification and NO waiting.

1) It is Bitcoin > Currency, not the other way around
2) No verification and no waiting is kind of essential if you want to have an anonymous virtual debit card
3) Stolen? Are you out of your mind? Do you really think I would go public, if those cards were stolen? How stupid do you think I am?
4) I never mentioned anything about 1 10% fee - What I said is, that the beta testers can keep 10% of the amount that I give to them - If there is any fraud, it could only hit me, not them.
5) Card numbers are issued on demand - that means that the card number is new, never used - any fraudulent activity on my side is hereby impossible.

I expect your apology or statement to my answers.

 Accusing someone like this is not acceptable. I recommend you read the whole thread, in order to get to know what this is actually about.