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[TerminatorXL]

Don't forget the thriving micro-loans section. Loans for accounts, accounts as collateral. Quickseller is a natural.

You should probably not do this from your main account, unless you want this:
http://s29.postimg.org/4192qia5z/Capture.png

[hilariousandco]

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In addition to the enforcement issue: From time to time people have asked me whether they could sell their accounts or use them as collateral because they have an emergency need for money or have come on hard times. I'm not going to tell them they can't do this. It's your account and you can do what you want with it. I find it pretty distasteful (it's like selling your identity), but the act of selling your account does not itself hurt anyone else, and in fact scams via account sales are very rare.

Selling accounts hurts trust, thus hurts everyone.
What's the point of having a trust system, when accounts with positive trust are bought & sold, regularly, right here on the forum?

What's the point in any trust system on any site? They're a guide not a definitive you can trust this account badge and every single one on any site can be gamed or abused. eBay or Paypal don't allow accounts to be sold, but guess what you can buy them as easily as bitcointalk accounts.

If eBay allowed the sale of eBay accounts,
If eBay staff sold accounts on eBay
If most of the items sold on eBay were eBay accounts, like so:


...well, then I'd agree with you, eBay trust system would be absolutely pointless.
Almost as pointless as you've made the one on bitcointalk.

We haven't made it anything. You're still not getting the point whilst yet proving mine. Just because ebay accounts aren't openly allowed to be sold on their site doesn't mean they're not sold. Go to any type of hack or carders forum or deepmarket and you'll see the same. Whether we or ebay allow or disallow their sale does not stop it. It happens. Whether in view or out of view.

And let's suppose theymos announces right this second that account sales are now prohibited... Changes absolutely nothing regarding 'hurting' trust. Possibly does more damage because people, especially newbs, assume an account could never have possibly been sold or stolen but you seem to not be willing to accept this.

I admit, you guys have managed to screw the pooch pretty royally when it comes to this forum. The damage you caused is pretty grave, nearly irreversible. Nearly.
This in no way implies that you should continue fucking things up.

STOP, so that we could rebuild.

Nah, we actually do a pretty good job of running things and I'm glad people like you and everybody else who thinks they know better aren't making the rules here. Ban this, remove that, protect me from the badguys blah blah. Go ahead and create your own bitcoin forum if you think you can improve on this one or know what's best for everyone. If it's obviously better then everyone will flock there and you'll make a shitload from adverts or keep it free of ads are run it altruistically. What are you waiting for?

Yes, the trust system is now completely meaningless, a standing joke that belongs in the trash heap.  Trash it.
You've fucked it beyond redemption in every way, not least by condoning and encouraging buying & selling of accounts, which is, you guessed it, buying and selling trust.

Buying and selling trust is not simply unethical, it's unworkable. Trust can not be bought and sold & remain meaningful.
You can't sell trust for the same reason you can't sell truth.
This is obvious to a child, yet you refuse to see it. Because you can't do without that trickle of pocket change you earn by ignoring it.

Umm, are you actually processing anything I'm saying? Feedback system on this site or any other is a guide, up to you whether you want to take it into consideration or not. I don't get why you're still banging your head on a wall. Are you saying that if we ban account sales or had always banned accounts sales that the trust system would be perfect or free from people abusing it? Of course it wouldn't. The exact same thing would be happening as it is now only you wouldn't see it. I could easily buy or create an account on here or ebay, buy or earn a few feedbacks from either legitimate or illegitimate sales and nothing's different, though maybe the person I'm selling something to on ebay doesn't think he's going to get scammed because the systems there are obviously perfect and I couldn't possibly have bought the account or faked the feedback because that definitely doesn't go on, right? Change the channel or actually think about what you're saying.

[TerminatorXL]

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In addition to the enforcement issue: From time to time people have asked me whether they could sell their accounts or use them as collateral because they have an emergency need for money or have come on hard times. I'm not going to tell them they can't do this. It's your account and you can do what you want with it. I find it pretty distasteful (it's like selling your identity), but the act of selling your account does not itself hurt anyone else, and in fact scams via account sales are very rare.

Selling accounts hurts trust, thus hurts everyone.
What's the point of having a trust system, when accounts with positive trust are bought & sold, regularly, right here on the forum?

What's the point in any trust system on any site? They're a guide not a definitive you can trust this account badge and every single one on any site can be gamed or abused. eBay or Paypal don't allow accounts to be sold, but guess what you can buy them as easily as bitcointalk accounts.

If eBay allowed the sale of eBay accounts,
If eBay staff sold accounts on eBay
If most of the items sold on eBay were eBay accounts, like so:
http://s10.postimg.org/relg2xyhl/Capture.png

...well, then I'd agree with you, eBay trust system would be absolutely pointless.
Almost as pointless as you've made the one on bitcointalk.

We haven't made it anything. You're still not getting the point whilst yet proving mine. Just because ebay accounts aren't openly allowed to be sold on their site doesn't mean they're not sold. Go to any type of hack or carders forum or deepmarket and you'll see the same. Whether we or ebay allow or disallow their sale does not stop it. It happens. Whether in view or out of view.

And let's suppose theymos announces right this second that account sales are now prohibited... Changes absolutely nothing regarding 'hurting' trust. Possibly does more damage because people, especially newbs, assume an account could never have possibly been sold or stolen but you seem to not be willing to accept this.

I admit, you guys have managed to screw the pooch pretty royally when it comes to this forum. The damage you caused is pretty grave, nearly irreversible. Nearly.
This in no way implies that you should continue fucking things up.

STOP, so that we could rebuild.

Nah, we actually do a pretty good job of running things and I'm glad people like you and everybody else who thinks they know better aren't making the rules here. Ban this, remove that, protect me from the badguys blah blah. Go ahead and create your own bitcoin forum if you think you can improve on this one or know what's best for everyone. If it's obviously better then everyone will flock there and you'll make a shitload from adverts or keep it free of ads are run it altruistically. What are you waiting for?

No. I'd rather get rid of the profiteering sleazebags who overran & are continuing to fuck this one.
That's why I started this thread

Edit: hilariousandco, registered November 20, 2013
Hang back and watch, n00b.

[hilariousandco]

No. I'd rather get rid of the profiteering sleazebags who overran & are continuing to fuck this one.
That's why I started this thread

Good luck with that. Fight tha powa!

Edit: hilariousandco, registered November 20, 2013
Hang back and watch, n00b.

TerminatorXL registered: April 20, 2015 
Change the channel, n00b.

[TerminatorXL]

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TerminatorXL registered: April 20, 2015 
Change the channel, n00b.

Unlike many here, I openly stated, in one of my first posts, that this is not my main account. Had I laxer morals, for the price of a cheap dinner I could have purchased an account senior to yours.

Re. "fight the powa": You don't think of yourself as "the powa" just because you're paid to keep the floors swept, do you, scruffy?

[hilariousandco]

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TerminatorXL registered: April 20, 2015 
Change the channel, n00b.

Unlike many here, I openly stated, in one of my first posts, that this is not my main account. Had I laxer morals, for the price of a cheap dinner I could have purchased an account senior to yours.

It's not your main account? No shit. But what makes you think this is my first account? Unless you can prove otherwise I have no reason to believe you have been here any longer than me but that is completely irrelevant anyway. You're probably just a scammer or troll who's been busted or banned a few times and is tired of it so you figure you'll have some fun on a newb account for a while.

Re. "fight the powa": You don't think of yourself as "the powa" just because you're paid to keep the floors swept, do you, scruffy?

No, I'm talking about those who you think are 'profiteering sleazebags' who you laughably think you can take down or even change anything here. You're powerless to do anything apart from low to mid range troll. And scruffy lol. These are some quality insults/trollings you're coming out with.

[TerminatorXL]

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TerminatorXL registered: April 20, 2015 
Change the channel, n00b.

Unlike many here, I openly stated, in one of my first posts, that this is not my main account. Had I laxer morals, for the price of a cheap dinner I could have purchased an account senior to yours.

It's not your main account? No shit. But what makes you think this is my first account? Unless you can prove otherwise I have no reason to believe you have been here any longer than me but that is completely irrelevant anyway.

You mean this is not your main account? Shocking!
So, which is your main account, you totally legit above-board staffer you? And how many more have you got, if it's not indelicate to ask?

Re. "fight the powa": You don't think of yourself as "the powa" just because you're paid to keep the floors swept, do you, scruffy?

No, I'm talking about those who you think are 'profiteering sleazebags' who you laughably think you can take down or even change anything here. You're powerless to do anything apart from low to mid range troll. And scruffy lol. These are some quality insults/trollings you're coming out with.

You are the profiteering sleazebag. Or, rather, sleazebag-in-waiting, sucking up through the ranks.
Re. "scruffy" - slang for mod, as in https://derpicdn.net/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTIvMTEvMjUvMjNfNTdfNDdfOTQ1XzE2MzI3MF9fVU5PUFRfX3NhZmVfaW1hZ2VfbWFjcm9fX2Z3ZHNsc2hfbWxwX2Z3ZHNsc2hfX3NjcnVmZnkiXSxbInAiLCJ0aHVtYiIsIjI1MHgyNTAiXV0/163270__safe_oc_image-macro_-fwdslsh-mlp-fwdslsh-_milky-way_milkmare-of-trottingham_futurama_scruffy_janitor.jpg
Lurk moar, n00b

[hilariousandco]

You mean this is not your main account? Shocking!
So, which is your main account, you totally legit above-board staffer you? And how many more have you got, if it's not indelicate to ask?

Satoshi. Forgot my password to my account and wallets though and theymos wont let me have it back cos I can't sign a message. Bad times. Probably could sell that account for a pretty penny too .

You are the profiteering sleazebag. Or, rather, sleazebag-in-waiting, sucking up through the ranks.
Re. "scruffy" - slang for mod, as in
Lurk moar, n00b

I don't profit a cent off of account sales, but some say profiteers others say entrepreneurs and some just futilely whinge at everything they are powerless to change.

[TerminatorXL]

Not joking.
Which account do you belong to, sock?

>some say profiteers others say entrepreneurs
Hahahahaha

>don't profit a cent off of account sales
because "sleazebag-in-waiting, sucking up through the ranks." Just keep munching the right D, and you'll get there, my enterprising young friend

[hilariousandco]

Not joking.
Which account do you belong to, sock?

Which do you belong to, sock. Not joking.

>some say profiteers others say entrepreneurs
Hahahahaha

Hahahaha at everything you've come out with.

>don't profit a cent off of account sales
because "sleazebag-in-waiting, sucking up through the ranks." Just keep munching the right D, and you'll get there, my enterprising young friend

Thanks. Will do.

[TerminatorXL]

My reputation is irrelevant, I'm not a forum staffer. Forum bureaucrats, wielding their awesome power over us hoi polloi, must abide by higher standards.
Now what's your main account, sock?

P.S. Your buddy Quickseller/ACCTSeller et. al., the other captain of bitcointalk economy, took away the neg trust for some reason
http://s29.postimg.org/4192qia5z/Capture.png

Why the backpedaling? He was so sure...

[hilariousandco]

My reputation is irrelevant, I'm not a forum staffer. Forum bureaucrats, wielding their awesome power over us hoi polloi, must abide by higher standards.
Now what's your main account, sock?

This is my main one. And I thought I was just a scruffy janitor? My rep should be irrelevant if all I do is clean up mess but now you think we should be a superior class. Make your mind up.

[TerminatorXL]

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This is my main one.[...]

More backpedaling.

[...] But what makes you think this is my first account? Unless you can prove otherwise I have no reason to believe you have been here any longer than me[...]

You know who else asked for proof of a sock? Your buddy Quickseller. Right before being cornered into admitting he was ACCTSeller.

Step up your game, scruffy

[hilariousandco]

[...]
This is my main one.[...]

More backpedaling.

No it isn't. It is my main one. There is no backpedaling. I don't see where I ever said I had another either, but I think you obviously read what you want to believe. Step up your game, troll  .

[TerminatorXL]

^^Alrighty then, belligerent n00by n00b confirmed.  
Discovered bitcoin & joined the forum at peak price, right before the bubble burst.
Now broke, angry, & eking out a living by white-knighting various petty crooks.

Carry on

[redsn0w]

I think this thread should be moved in the Off topic (and also other thread that are here in the meta section).

^^Alrighty then, belligerent n00by n00b confirmed. 
Discovered bitcoin & joined the forum at peak price, right before the bubble burst.
Now broke, angry, & eking out a living by white-knighting various petty crooks.

Carry on

Why are you fighting from your 'alt account', why don't you use your main account?

[hilariousandco]

^^Alrighty then, belligerent n00by n00b confirmed.  
Discovered bitcoin & joined the forum at peak price, right before the bubble burst.
Now broke, angry, & eking out a living by white-knighting various petty crooks.

Carry on

I never said it was my first account, I said it was my main one. And I bought my first coins around £50-70, so still quite in profit, but I think you've lost your composure now and have just descended into making stuff up and acting childish. Well done. Carry on.

[koelen3]

As it has been said many times that it is impossible to detect all sold accounts so it's better to allow it.
If you really got so many problems , go make your own forum bitch. Though it is true that the DG and Auc. Section is full of Account selling Threads but well it's a marketplace and people are supposed to sell things/DG there . So why not forum accounts when it's legal ?
Stop whining -_-

[TerminatorXL]

I think this thread should be moved in the Off topic (and also other thread that are here in the meta section).

^^Alrighty then, belligerent n00by n00b confirmed.  
Discovered bitcoin & joined the forum at peak price, right before the bubble burst.
Now broke, angry, & eking out a living by white-knighting various petty crooks.

Carry on

Why are you fighting from your 'alt account', why don't you use your main account?

Because you would know, had you bothered to read this thread before asking. I admit, many have derailed this thread with bitter personal attacks and other catty faggotry, making it a pain to read. Here's the TL;DR:
http://s16.postimg.org/pdkagqjdx/Capture.png

The muppet defending himself is the subject of this story here:

http://s2.postimg.org/c824do2tl/Capture.png

A vindictive little forum accounts dealer going by Quickseller, ACCTSeller, etc., etc. has already left this account a nef trust rating, removing it the following day, for reasons unknown.

You can see why I'm hesitant to use my main account.

@koelen3: you too. Read the whole thread; the issue has been addressed.
It's not as much about accounts being sold, it's that they're being sold right here, on bitcointalk, with staffers facilitating the deals.

@hilariousandco: UR like, totally OG

[hilariousandco]

Because you would know, had you bothered to read this thread before asking. I admit, many have derailed this thread with bitter personal attacks and other catty faggotry, making it a pain to read. Here's the TL;DR:


The muppet defending himself is the subject of this story here:



You can see why I'm hesitant to use my main account.

And yet you're still here thus proving yourself and any of these silly allegations wrong, though I suspect you're trying to get yourself banned so you can say look! told you so much like cozylife did. The only reason you're using an alt is because you're a coward and a petty troll. And I'm not the subject of that article, the Pulitzer Prize winning Rick Mac Gillis just happened to mention me in his damning expose of the corruption here at bitcointalk. I found it quite humorous but also equally sad at the same time.