Wages Declined As Immigration Population Increased in US

[Chef Ramsay]

The average U.S. income from the bottom 90 percent of tax filers have reportedly dropped as the immigration rate increased, according to a congressional report.

In a report to the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary, the Congressional Research Service found the average reported income from the bottom 90 percent of tax filers dropped from 1970's $33,621 to $30,980 in 2013. The report noted the 43-year period saw a 7.9 percent decline in average income. During the same time frame, the estimated immigrant population rate in the U.S. increased from 9.74 million to approximately 41.3 million, an increase of 324.5 percent.
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1. From 1945-1970, what was the net change in the foreign-born population, expressed both as a percentage and numerically?

The foreign-born population in the United States diminished from 10,971,146 in 1945 to 9,740,000 in 1970, a decline of 1,231,146 persons, representing a percentage decline of 11.2 percent over this 25 year period.

2. From 1945-1970, how did overall wages change for the bottom 90 percent of earners?

The reported income of the bottom 90 percent of tax filers in the United States increased from an average of $18,418 in 1945 to $33,621 in 1970 for an aggregate change of $15,202 or a percent increase of 82.5 percent over this 25 year period.

3. From 1945-1970, what was the net change in the share of income held by the bottom 90 percent of the U.S. income distribution?

The share of income held by the bottom 90 percent of the U.S. income distribution increased from 67.4 percent in 1945 to 68.5 percent in 1970, an absolute increase of 1.1 percentage points over this 25 year period.

4. From 1970-present, what was the net change in the foreign-born population, expressed both as a percentage and numerically?

Between 1970 and 2013, the estimated foreign-born population in the United States increased from 9,740,000 to 41,348,066, respectively, an increase of 31,608,066 persons, representing a percentage increase of 324.5 percent over this 43 year period.

5. From 1970-present, how did overall wages change for the bottom 90 percent of earners?

The reported income of the bottom 90 percent of tax filers in the United States decreased from an average of $33,621 in 1970 to $30,980 in 2013 for an aggregate decline of $2,641 or a percent decline of 7.9 percent over this 43 year period.

6. From 1970-present, what was the net change in the share of income held by the bottom 90 percent of the U.S. income distribution?

The share of income held by the bottom 90 percent of the U.S. income distribution declined from 68.5 percent in 1970 to 53.0 percent in 2013, an absolute decline of 15.5 percentage points over this 43 year period.
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http://www.latinpost.com/articles/49683/20150425/immigration-reform-news-today-wages-declined-population-increased-congressional-report.htm

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[maku]

Hmm.. but it doesn't anything about other effects of immigration. It may be the cause of wages decline but immigration is a source of a very cheap labour force which can be helpful for overall economy. Also the wage fluctuations can be caused by so many other factors, so to simply pushing all declines on immigration is blinding the facts

[bryant.coleman]

The fate of the United States will closely resemble to that of the USSR. It is a popular myth that the USSR collapsed as a result of the falling oil prices. That is not true. The USSR collapsed, as the welfare rats increased in population beyond a tolerable limit, and put enormous strain on the resources. At the time of collapse, some 75% to 80% of the population were from productive ethnic groups, such as Russians, Ukrainians and Germans, while the remainder were from unproductive ethnic groups such as Uzbeks and Azeris.

The same will happen to the US. Once the burden on the tax paying non-Hispanic whites (+ Asian Americans ?) exceed a limit, then everything will collapse.

[saddampbuh]

mexican immigrants are an overall drain on the american economy just as african immigrants have been a drain on european economies. they take more out in welfare and public services than they put in in taxes. they are low iq untermensch whose only usefulness is to big corporations wishing to keep workers' wages low and take away their benefits.

[311]

Immigration increase? Can't have got any bigger than the one where all those Europeans invaded, sorry, emigrated there. Fucking white people  .

[organofcorti]

Do you have proof that one of these things caused the other, or are you just saying there's a correlation?

[bryant.coleman]

mexican immigrants are an overall drain on the american economy just as african immigrants have been a drain on european economies. they take more out in welfare and public services than they put in in taxes. they are low iq untermensch whose only usefulness is to big corporations wishing to keep workers' wages low and take away their benefits.

Apart from the drain in government funds, we should also consider the harm caused as a result of lowering wages. The illegals don't have to pay for tax or mediclaim. So they can afford to work for 30% to 40% lower wages, when compared to an average American citizen. And most of these wages will be sent to Mexico and El Salvador in the form of remittances.

[maku]

The USSR collapsed, as the welfare rats increased in population beyond a tolerable limit, and put enormous strain on the resources...

USSR collapsed because of many reasons, including economical, sociological, political and ideological as well.

The illegals don't have to pay for tax or mediclaim.

Not sure but I think this article is referring to both legal and illegal immigrants, the legal immigrants pay taxes like every US citizen.
We cannot forget that USA society is built on immigrants.

[saddampbuh]

Not sure but I think this article is referring to both legal and illegal immigrants, the legal immigrants pay taxes like every US citizen.
We cannot forget that USA society is built on immigrants.

the majority of "legal" immigrants are in low paying jobs and are a net drain on the economy. you think the spics working in call centers or your local starbucks are paying a lot of tax? all they are doing is taking those jobs away from unemployed americans or kids leaving school who need them.

usa society was built by white people with a whites only immigration law until the 1960s

[Stargazer]

Not sure but I think this article is referring to both legal and illegal immigrants, the legal immigrants pay taxes like every US citizen.
We cannot forget that USA society is built on immigrants.

the majority of "legal" immigrants are in low paying jobs and are a net drain on the economy. you think the spics working in call centers or your local starbucks are paying a lot of tax? all they are doing is taking those jobs away from unemployed americans or kids leaving school who need them.

usa society was built by white people with a whites only immigration law until the 1960s

And this society of white people faced the great depression in the 30 years before that.

What would you propose then? Close the borders and isolate your country? What about the immigrants that are already there?

[protokol]

Not sure but I think this article is referring to both legal and illegal immigrants, the legal immigrants pay taxes like every US citizen.
We cannot forget that USA society is built on immigrants.

the majority of "legal" immigrants are in low paying jobs and are a net drain on the economy. you think the spics working in call centers or your local starbucks are paying a lot of tax? all they are doing is taking those jobs away from unemployed americans or kids leaving school who need them.

usa society was built by white people with a whites only immigration law until the 1960s

Interestingly in the UK, European immigrants since 2000 have actually made a net contribution of over £20b, whereas the UK born population drained the economy of over £600b: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration
I've been trying to find similar stats for the USA but haven't yet.

A friend of mine made the point that low-wage workers are keeping wages down, which is probably true. However, if a company was forced to pay higher wages, that cost has to come out of something. So either the cost to consumers increases, profit decreases, or the company relocates to a cheaper country. All detrimental to the economy.

[maku]

Not sure but I think this article is referring to both legal and illegal immigrants, the legal immigrants pay taxes like every US citizen.
We cannot forget that USA society is built on immigrants.

the majority of "legal" immigrants are in low paying jobs and are a net drain on the economy. you think the spics working in call centers or your local starbucks are paying a lot of tax? all they are doing is taking those jobs away from unemployed americans or kids leaving school who need them.

usa society was built by white people with a whites only immigration law until the 1960s

First of all immigrants are all kind of races, also white (manly from eastern Europe). As for "spics working in call centers or your local starbucks" those people are doing jobs that "unemployed americans or kids leaving school" don't want to do. Also lowering wages is not always a bad thing -> you can produce more for less, so the costumer will be able to pay less for that product, and that also means that despite having less in your wallet you can actually buy more stuff. And finally one more thing - China is currently very competitive in low-cost production, so if companies in countries like USA want to keep their production facilities on USA soil they have to cut costs somewhere (Not that they should start from cutting wages, but that's how they roll)

[saddampbuh]

And this society of white people faced the great depression in the 30 years before that.

What would you propose then? Close the borders and isolate your country? What about the immigrants that are already there?

i would deport most non whites. high iq non race mixing asians and orientals could stay.

Interestingly in the UK, European immigrants since 2000 have actually made a net contribution of over £20b, whereas the UK born population drained the economy of over £600b: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration
I've been trying to find similar stats for the USA but haven't yet.

seen this bullshit "research" before and imagine we could find similar for the usa if we look hard enough. they arrive at these numbers by assuming immigrants will never claim pensions and ignoring the social cost of the unemployment among the native population they cause.

A friend of mine made the point that low-wage workers are keeping wages down, which is probably true. However, if a company was forced to pay higher wages, that cost has to come out of something. So either the cost to consumers increases, profit decreases, or the company relocates to a cheaper country. All detrimental to the economy.

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First of all immigrants are all kind of races, also white (manly from eastern Europe). As for "spics working in call centers or your local starbucks" those people are doing jobs that "unemployed americans or kids leaving school" don't want to do.

more like dont want to do for the bullshit wages and working conditions mass third world immigration have created. over here we used to get double time for working on sundays and paid lunch breaks. now sundays pay the same money and breaks are unpaid. and there are so called "productivity targets" even in joke retail jobs which never used to exist meaning people have to work harder and faster than their parents did. the reason? 3 million immigrants from eastern europe. i'm from england but i imagine its no different in other developed countries with a mass third world immigration problem.

Also lowering wages is not always a bad thing -> you can produce more for less, so the costumer will be able to pay less for that product, and that also means that despite having less in your wallet you can actually buy more stuff. And finally one more thing - China is currently very competitive in low-cost production, so if companies in countries like USA want to keep their production facilities on USA soil they have to cut costs somewhere (Not that they should start from cutting wages, but that's how they roll)

lower wages are a bad thing when the people on them need food stamps to survive. in the uk 25% of welfare is paid to people who have jobs because the government recognises the minimum wage isn't enough money to live on.

[maku]

more like dont want to do for the bullshit wages and working conditions mass third world immigration have created. over here we used to get double time for working on sundays and paid lunch breaks. now sundays pay the same money and breaks are unpaid. and there are so called "productivity targets" even in joke retail jobs which never used to exist meaning people have to work harder and faster than their parents did. the reason? 3 million immigrants from eastern europe. i'm from england but i imagine its no different in other developed countries with a mass third world immigration problem.

You had to speed up because other countries like China could do the same for lass and with higher amount. Even if there were no immigrants You still had to work faster because if not your product wouldn't be competitive with the  one from China.

lower wages are a bad thing when the people on them need food stamps to survive. in the uk 25% of welfare is paid to people who have jobs because the government recognises the minimum wage isn't enough money to live on.

You didn't understood or didn't read my previous post correctly. I wrote "lowering wages is not always a bad thing"

[RodeoX]

Autism rates are also up, as is the temperature of the Earth, all immigration? I think not.
The vast majority of new poverty in the U.S. is the result of a new economic order. The super wealthy now control more money than ever in our history. Even more than the gilded age. It is now more likely that a typical European will financially grow out of poverty than a typical U.S. citizen.

When you hear politicians and "job creators" talk about the economy they are not talking about yours little man. The economy is now more profitable for the super rich than ever in my lifetime. They love to paint a rosy picture of the economy and frankly it is for them. let's translate:

U.S. worker production is up! = you are working harder for less money.

Record profits in financial services! = you need loans to get by.

The stock market is up! = and rigged and less profitable for normal investors than ever.

Your money is not going to immigrants, it's going out the door to pay for someone's third yacht. The idea of blaming the poor is as old as Machiavelli. "The poor are so stupid they can be turned on each other over crumbs while we eat the bread. Now where is my wig powder?"

[saddampbuh]

You had to speed up because other countries like China could do the same for lass and with higher amount. Even if there were no immigrants You still had to work faster because if not your product wouldn't be competitive with the  one from China.

bring back tariffs. i have no desire to compete with slope automatons who gratefully work 12 hours a day for a couple of dollars.

You didn't understood or didn't read my previous post correctly. I wrote "lowering wages is not always a bad thing"

it almost always is a bad thing

[protokol]

And this society of white people faced the great depression in the 30 years before that.

What would you propose then? Close the borders and isolate your country? What about the immigrants that are already there?

i would deport most non whites. high iq non race mixing asians and orientals could stay.

Interestingly in the UK, European immigrants since 2000 have actually made a net contribution of over £20b, whereas the UK born population drained the economy of over £600b: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration
I've been trying to find similar stats for the USA but haven't yet.

seen this bullshit "research" before and imagine we could find similar for the usa if we look hard enough. they arrive at these numbers by assuming immigrants will never claim pensions and ignoring the social cost of the unemployment among the native population they cause.

This study had nothing to do with future pensions. Granted, because the majority of the immigrants in these 10 years were young, they would not currently be claiming pensions, and some of the £600b drain will be from older native Britons' pensions. All the research says is that in these 10 years immigrants contributed to the economy, while natives drained it massively.

The social cost of native unemployment is nothing to do with immigration, it is to do with the companies that employ immigrants. As I said earlier, if they didn't have access to cheap labour, they wouldn't be as successful and would lose money or relocate, meaning less jobs. The solution to this would be to put more investment into education, so our native workers had similar education levels as immigrants.

The report also estimates that the influx of educated EU immigrants over the 10 years saved the taxpayer £8.5b in education costs, in addition to the £20b+ in taxes.

A friend of mine made the point that low-wage workers are keeping wages down, which is probably true. However, if a company was forced to pay higher wages, that cost has to come out of something. So either the cost to consumers increases, profit decreases, or the company relocates to a cheaper country. All detrimental to the economy.

less profit

So worse for the economy then. Until the profits get so low that the company is forced to move to China, then no jobs at all for Britons, low-paid or otherwise.

First of all immigrants are all kind of races, also white (manly from eastern Europe). As for "spics working in call centers or your local starbucks" those people are doing jobs that "unemployed americans or kids leaving school" don't want to do.

more like dont want to do for the bullshit wages and working conditions mass third world immigration have created. over here we used to get double time for working on sundays and paid lunch breaks. now sundays pay the same money and breaks are unpaid. and there are so called "productivity targets" even in joke retail jobs which never used to exist meaning people have to work harder and faster than their parents did. the reason? 3 million immigrants from eastern europe. i'm from england but i imagine its no different in other developed countries with a mass third world immigration problem.

Have you got a source that explains why the reason for these problems is definitely immigrants? While they may be contributing to the problem of low pay, I would say that the crony capitalism we've seen since 2008 has had a far greater effect on the general economy, sucking money from the poor and middle class to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. Also take into account that people are living longer, the austerity measures that have been introduced to try and keep the debt in check, and the fact that many UK jobs are low paid and service based.

[saddampbuh]

This study had nothing to do with future pensions. Granted, because the majority of the immigrants in these 10 years were young, they would not currently be claiming pensions, and some of the £600b drain will be from older native Britons' pensions. All the research says is that in these 10 years immigrants contributed to the economy, while natives drained it massively.

The social cost of native unemployment is nothing to do with immigration, it is to do with the companies that employ immigrants. As I said earlier, if they didn't have access to cheap labour, they wouldn't be as successful and would lose money or relocate, meaning less jobs. The solution to this would be to put more investment into education, so our native workers had similar education levels as immigrants.

The report also estimates that the influx of educated EU immigrants over the 10 years saved the taxpayer £8.5b in education costs, in addition to the £20b+ in taxes.

the cost of keeping a native brit on welfare who lost out on a potential minimum wage job to an immigrant is not going to be met by whatever taxes that immigrant pays. that immigrant has now become a drain on us all.

most manufacturing jobs that could be relocated to poor countries already have been. retail/service joke mcdonalds jobs are all that's left for unskilled school leavers and these employers cant exactly pick up and go to china. let them make do with the slightly slower , lazier british worker who demands his rights as they always did before the option of employing harder working desperate polacks existed.

one is not "educated" to do minimum wage jobs, thats why they pay minimum wage. and immigrants dont get them because of being educated, they get them because they work harder and ring in sick less.

Have you got a source that explains why the reason for these problems is definitely immigrants? While they may be contributing to the problem of low pay, I would say that the crony capitalism we've seen since 2008 has had a far greater effect on the general economy, sucking money from the poor and middle class to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. Also take into account that people are living longer, the austerity measures that have been introduced to try and keep the debt in check, and the fact that many UK jobs are low paid and service based.

no i havent got a source of a ceo admitting he's scrapping workers' benefits because he knows he has the option to replace them with immigrants if they leave. these aren't things people say out in the open, rather they talk about difficult economic conditions and the tightening of belts and such jargon

and there is no austerity. the national debt's doubled over the last parliament and both tory and labour have already ruled out cutting departments that could make a dent in it which are pensions and healthcare

[TECSHARE]

While I disagree with all the racist rhetoric on this page, I agree with the overall premise that mass immigration drives US wages down across the board. The same can be said for prison labor in the US. These are not "jobs American's don't want, and that premise is absolute bullshit, ad if it ever applied it was during the boom of the 90's when everyone was getting paid well from the huge wave of financial fraud. It is very simple.

Labor is very much like the oil market. It doesn't matter where you buy it from, the fact that there is cheaper oil anywhere else in the world means that oil globally will be more available, and therefore decrease the value of all oil globally. In that same vein when the floor of the lowest paying jobs drops even further, all the jobs above it take a hit and decrease pay along with it, taking EVERYONE down a notch as the cheap labor saturates the market and makes it impossible for domestic workers at entry level to earn a living. This very same effect is seen with prison labor in the US, this along with immigration is USA's answer to Chinese sweatshops. The premise that Americans don't want these jobs is misleading even if it were true. The fact is that as those jobs pay less, so do all the jobs above those as everyone takes a decrease in living standards. Even if the premis that no one wanted the jobs were true, it still drives everyone's wages down. Immigration may have built this country, but it also has the ability to kill it. Managing immigration has been a right of every country since nationalism existed. Why is it that the USA is the only one that is racist for enforcing immigration laws?

[maku]

the cost of keeping a native brit on welfare who lost out on a potential minimum wage job to an immigrant is not going to be met by whatever taxes that immigrant pays. that immigrant has now become a drain on us all.

If that immigrant has a legal job, lives in apartment, buys food, goes on a subway or bus, that means he pays taxes like everyone else in country.

let them make do with the slightly slower , lazier british worker who demands his rights as they always did before the option of employing harder working desperate polacks existed.

Firstly why do You need to insult Polish people? Secondly if a company allows slower working pace then her competitiveness weakens, if that happens you don't need to look for competition in China because another company in neighbourhood will dominate the first one.
Thirdly here's an article about Polish workers in UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11207980/Polish-migrants-almost-20pc-more-likely-to-work-than-Britons.html

And finally Europe society is getting older every year so young immigrants that want to integrate will bring new children in the future keeping birth rates high