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April 29, 2015, 02:38:34 PM
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I think the company is not telling us everything. Mining is not that profitable anymore, not enough to validate a $2.3 million investment. They must be expanding into another market niche.
They obviously know something we don't but they have shown they're able to make profit with the current conditions to get the investors.

They could be selling the block reward halving pitch and investors are buying it. Do the investors know how much bitcoin they can buy with $2.3 million? How much profit they can make buy just sitting on them without the mining equipment costs and electricity?
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April 29, 2015, 02:41:31 PM
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Sounds like a HYIP type operation with early investors banking on Bitcoin blowing up.

Sorta like a "Legit" Ponzi scheme, if there is such a thing.  If Bitcoin goes to zero, these guys are going tits up for sure.

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April 29, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
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Sounds like a HYIP type operation with early investors banking on Bitcoin blowing up.

Sorta like a "Legit" Ponzi scheme, if there is such a thing.  If Bitcoin goes to zero, these guys are going tits up for sure.
No one that gets on the Bitcoin ecosystem believes "bitcoin will go to zero". When you get into this you have real reasons to do so. It's reasonable to think Bitcoin is not going to zero during our lifetime.
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April 30, 2015, 12:51:17 AM
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Still waiting for a time when whole wallets can be encrypted is such a way that they can be transferred to another person, and the first person will not be able to use any of the addresses therein, and the second person will have control of the addresses to use as his. In addition, nobody else will be able to transfer a wallet he happens to find, unless he has the right PGP address for that wallet.

When this happens, Bitcoin will be deemed so strong and anonymous that investors will flock to mining.

Authorities will realize that they don't have any control anymore, so they will start shutting the big mining operations down. After this is done, they will start going door-to-door after all the bitcoins they can arrest people for holding.

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April 30, 2015, 05:46:17 AM
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It's a fairly interesting idea if they can mine more than cost.
Add hash to a secure network and raise the difficulty without adding much value to the network besides the miners, is the whole point of the company.
Keep control through their mining presence and get some coins.

In this sense, the system is self-perpetuating. Each transaction of bitcoins must be verified and added to the ledger by bitcoin miners, who are then rewarded for each successful verification. With more bitcoins.
I am surprised that a company in America can mine at a profit, and at such a profit that it is worth investors while to invest.
I wonder if they have some special mining equiptment, or if they have a renewable energy source that means they basically get free electricity.

Otherwise as far as I am aware, ROI is either luck or improbable!

I agree with you, unless the chips are incredible or the electricty costs are very competitive, there is not much ROI at present in the mining sphere
It could translate to profits if the price shifts upward but as we are currently still in a downtrend for Bitcoin prices it seems like a business model and risk hedge that will just bleed.

That said if they were speculating for a Bitcoin Halving in a year this is a good time to enter and mine till that date passes, as it could keep them in a good position for that point in time.

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April 30, 2015, 07:23:57 AM
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Or it could just be some nut giving away his money cause he's so old he doesn't know what to do with it. You guys act like Morgan Stanley invested in BTC.

Face it, Bitcoin died a year ago. Use it to gamble, buy your drugs or move on. There's nothing to be seen here anymore.

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April 30, 2015, 09:20:26 AM
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Face it, Bitcoin died a year ago. Use it to gamble, buy your drugs or move on. There's nothing to be seen here anymore.

And yet you're still here, spamming with your sig to earn something that 'died'...

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April 30, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
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Good to see that happening. Usually it really doesn't make any sense buying Bitcoins in order to buy new mining equipment. You take quite a risk and in the end may end up with less BTC than you invested. If you do it on this scale, though it might just work!

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May 01, 2015, 04:17:34 AM
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What are these guys supposed to be, more cloud mining stuff? Another web wallet? Whatever they're doing, someone has really hope they aren't some kind of ponzi/pyramid... Let's see where this goes. Not really convinced...

From reading the article, I got the impression that they're a private mining firm:

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What Bitcoin Shop (OTCQB: BTCS) does is in one sense very simple: The company verifies transactions made over the bitcoin network in exchange for, well, more bitcoins. This is known as "mining" in the bitcoin world, and a number of firms compete to most efficiently verify these transactions...

...It is in the recording of each transfer, which involves a complex verification system, that the "mining" takes place. By verifying each transaction and adding it to the global ledger, which is known as the "blockchain," a company like Bitcoin Shop nabs itself 25 bitcoins.

I think the company is not telling us everything. Mining is not that profitable anymore, not enough to validate a $2.3 million investment. They must be expanding into another market niche.
They obviously know something we don't but they have shown they're able to make profit with the current conditions to get the investors.

You shouldn't assume that they are profitable just because they managed to get investors on board. It's actually pretty common for VC investors to pour money into non-profitable companies, especially in the tech space. There was another story a while ago involving an exchange called Buttercoin which raised (and promptly burnt through) $1.3 million of funding despite never turning a profit:

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US bitcoin marketplace Buttercoin is shutting its doors, despite launching just four months ago with at least $1.3m in investor backing.

Link: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-marketplace-buttercoin-folds-despite-1-3-million-investment/

I agree with you, unless the chips are incredible or the electricty costs are very competitive, there is not much ROI at present in the mining sphere
It could translate to profits if the price shifts upward but as we are currently still in a downtrend for Bitcoin prices it seems like a business model and risk hedge that will just bleed.

That said if they were speculating for a Bitcoin Halving in a year this is a good time to enter and mine till that date passes, as it could keep them in a good position for that point in time.

Even if they predict the price to increase, it would probably make more sense to buy the bitcoins directly than go through the extra step of setting up miners in order to generate bitcoins. If they had access to cutting-edge ASICs then they might be profitable although I'm not sure if this would still be the case once manufacturing and R&D costs are taken into account. Cheap electricity is another factor that could make a mining more profitable, but virtually all large-scale mining firms (which would be their main competitors) already have access to cheap electricity rates anyway and given the current conditions, we already know that mining isn't currently very profitable for even them.
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May 01, 2015, 08:11:19 AM
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Let's hope whatever business operation they are into it will be long enough to pay back to the investors with a profit. Somehow at current mining difficulty I suppose they must be looking to invest and based their operations where production cost is cheap. Else whatever investment or fund put in by right it will give lower return as time pass by and just wondering how they are going to maintain that.

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May 01, 2015, 08:30:14 AM
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In mining, lots of costs can be deducted as company expense/investment, while the bitcoin income can disappear into cyberspace, maybe it is this aspect attracts lots of industry miners  Grin

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May 01, 2015, 02:22:54 PM
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In mining, lots of costs can be deducted as company expense/investment, while the bitcoin income can disappear into cyberspace, maybe it is this aspect attracts lots of industry miners  Grin

Good point. But still, to pull that off, the official, recorded income would have to be higher (at least slightly) to justify such operations.

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