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[madroller]

In order for a defendant to be held liable for libel a plaintiff must prove a statement to be false. All of what I have posted can be reasonably construed as an opinion and as a result you would need to prove that what I said was in fact not my opinion at the time.

As I stated, I am not a lawyer, from what I was quickly told, it seemed to fit, but would be unsure until Monday when it could be reviewed.

[arallmuus]

Perhaps an open letter in meta to solve this issue and present an evidence that the owner of this site is indeed not moreia. Quickseller may be wrong about this and if you could actually present a strong evidence than he will likely remove the innacurate feedback. Discussing this things here will make this thread full of negative argument which is not good for the sites reputation

I'm still trying to figure out how things work around this board. I've already had a couple of posted deleted to my surprise..

I can't see the "TRUST" thing any more as well.. still trying to figure that one out.

I'm not a "high roller" but I do love dice... for some reason I keep thinking there has to be a way to beat it... lol

That is where my bot came from, allows me to try LEGIT things that auto rollers don't do.. LOTS of BTC later, still have not found it

"Perhaps an open letter in meta"

^^^^ I don't know what this is...

What I meant is to post a thread in meta regarding this issue https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

Because it is innapropriate to discuss about this negative trust issue here as this thread is the discussion thread about bitpoker.io sites and not to discuss on why quickseller left a negative trust. This could affect this sites reputation if you will to keep on discussing it here. OR at least use PM to resolve this issue

Quickseller may be wrong about this and if you could actually present a strong evidence than he will likely remove the innacurate feedback.

Actually to post inaccurate information about a business or person that has a negative effect, is not only irresponsible, its is illegal.

I guess this board works on guilty until proven innocent..... pretty funny...

This will be dealt with on Monday...

Too bad yes, guilty until proven innocent, anyhow Quickseller will be willing to drop the negative trust if you could present a solid evidence that you guys are not related to moreia.

Interesting site. Does anyone know if they allow players in the US to play?

Yes they do accept players from US.

It seems that he claims to have sold his ownership stake in the site. I have updated my trust rating accordingly.

Any posibility that the dzeros guy is tricking you into giving negative trust for the bitpoker.io account? This might lead you to a trust abuse which moreia can use up againts you

[madroller]

It seems that he claims to have sold his ownership stake in the site. I have updated my trust rating accordingly.

I suggest you update it again. No where does Dzeros says he owns it.

Is either run by or was previously run by Moreia, TheGambler, serial HYIP/ponzi scammer. He claims to have sold his portion of his ownership of the site, however based on the fact that Moreia has scammed so many people over such a long period of time I do not believe anything he says.

The name Dzeros does not appear in this statement. These other "people" I have never spoken to or even seen around. Dzeros does not and never has "run" the site. He has been in playing.
And that quoted statement does not look like an opinion to me.

[Quickseller]

It seems that he claims to have sold his ownership stake in the site. I have updated my trust rating accordingly.

I know Dzeros from bitdice.me... not personally.. he NEVER had any ownership of the site.

I had talked to him about doing some marketing, but nothing was ever finalized.

I have another person from bitdice.me the moderates the chat and gives away chips.

These are some of the people I have met playing dice. Nobody has access to anything but my self and the owner.

The mod can not even look at emails.. I fill his account with chips to give away.

A license from Kahnawake starts at 50K and you have to host with them. We've been looking into other options because of the hosting.

Poker Software licences start at 20K and go very high from there depending on the deal.

Then add in all the man hours..

Do not pay one player quickly without a damn good reason and your finished.

The most I ever saw at one time on SWC was about 300, but was a while ago so not really sure.

I am willing to bet the average player hold was less then 0.5btc

Pretty sad return for a "scam"

Do you have any idea the kind of money a decent poker site can make on rake?

Once we get going, I do think we can do it better then SWC or his new site.

I tend to go off the deepend when attacked.

The posts I had deleted, I am still not sure it was my language, or off topic , but it was in this thread.

In reply to the guy complaining the giveaways were to low. Sure we want people to have fun, win some, but we are not giving away the barn.

I am sorry I snapped and in hindsight I should have use PM to resolve this.

I will think about the trust rating I left overnight and will possibly reconsider it. However any harm that my opinions may have caused your reputation will likely benefit you in the long run.

A quick google search regarding Canadian law and online gambling comes with results that both say that online gambling is a gray area of the law and that running an online gambling site is outright illegal. I would say that at best the site will cause legal headaches for you.

I believe the owner of SWC was recently arrested inside the US for running an online casino (or some similar charge related to that) recently. The US also tends to be pretty aggressive at pursuing crimes against successful people, as doing so allows prosecutors to make names for themselves. I was able to recently access the site while using a US gateway from my VPN (from a US based IP address).

If you have to pay $50k for a license to run the software then your initial investment would be the equivalent of ~217.4 BTC. The site profit of bit dice is ~600 BTC (which I assume does not account for any expenses), however I would think that dice sites wold get a lot more volume of betting (and as a result more profits) then a poker site, however I may be wrong on this.

I admit that dzeros is very good at marketing (however his ethics are questionable at best) as this is likely how he was able to scam for such large amounts of money. Anything with his name anywhere near it is almost certain to be a scam in my eyes. I would guesstimate that he has probably scammed for at least 50 BTC from sites advertised on bitcointalk and probably more from sites run on other forums. Research into his identity has lead me to find allegations of scamming dating back to 2012 on various forums, however I suspect that he had started scamming prior to that by ~2 years. He was able to manipulate multiple people into taking actions that resulted in their reputation (on here) to be ruined, including getting people to both attempt to extort people and to participate in his scams (as in help him scam).
I have (credible) information to believe that dzeros is an alt of the people I mentioned in my negative trust. The people I named are better known alts of his. I have removed my negative trust, however please see my above statement.

The quoted statement includes the phrase would be after would scam, which is saying that if the site were to scam you would do it in a certain way, it did not say that you actually engage in this practice.

[madroller]

I will think about the trust rating I left overnight and will possibly reconsider it. However any harm that my opinions may have caused your reputation will likely benefit you in the long run.

A quick google search regarding Canadian law and online gambling comes with results that both say that online gambling is a gray area of the law and that running an online gambling site is outright illegal. I would say that at best the site will cause legal headaches for you.

I believe the owner of SWC was recently arrested inside the US for running an online casino (or some similar charge related to that) recently. The US also tends to be pretty aggressive at pursuing crimes against successful people, as doing so allows prosecutors to make names for themselves. I was able to recently access the site while using a US gateway from my VPN (from a US based IP address).

If you have to pay $50k for a license to run the software then your initial investment would be the equivalent of ~217.4 BTC. The site profit of bit dice is ~600 BTC (which I assume does not account for any expenses), however I would think that dice sites wold get a lot more volume of betting (and as a result more profits) then a poker site, however I may be wrong on this.

I admit that dzeros is very good at marketing (however his ethics are questionable at best) as this is likely how he was able to scam for such large amounts of money. Anything with his name anywhere near it is almost certain to be a scam in my eyes. I would guesstimate that he has probably scammed for at least 50 BTC from sites advertised on bitcointalk and probably more from sites run on other forums. Research into his identity has lead me to find allegations of scamming dating back to 2012 on various forums, however I suspect that he had started scamming prior to that by ~2 years. He was able to manipulate multiple people into taking actions that resulted in their reputation (on here) to be ruined, including getting people to both attempt to extort people and to participate in his scams (as in help him scam).
I have (credible) information to believe that dzeros is an alt of the people I mentioned in my negative trust. The people I named are better known alts of his. I have removed my negative trust, however please see my above statement.

The quoted statement includes the phrase would be after would scam, which is saying that if the site were to scam you would do it in a certain way, it did not say that you actually engage in this practice.

No, online gambling a lot closer to black then white, poker on the other hand is a lot closer to white (with the skill aspect) with KYC rules in place.

There are a number of online casino being "run" out of gastown in Vancouver, but for me its too close to the edge.

I wrote a full dice site (http://shibe-dice.com) BEFORE really looking these rules,  have a look at the Programmable Auto Roller and you will see where the bot come from.

The site is sitting 100% operational, minus the fact that wallet is disconnected. I dropped the whole project after digging  into the laws deeper.

I need to shut that down one of these days Amazon keeps dinging me for servers. Damn recurring charges, I always say I am going to do it later.

I enjoy life without having to look over my shoulder. I retired some years ago. Now I do things mostly for fun.

[Quickseller]

I will think about the trust rating I left overnight and will possibly reconsider it. However any harm that my opinions may have caused your reputation will likely benefit you in the long run.

A quick google search regarding Canadian law and online gambling comes with results that both say that online gambling is a gray area of the law and that running an online gambling site is outright illegal. I would say that at best the site will cause legal headaches for you.

I believe the owner of SWC was recently arrested inside the US for running an online casino (or some similar charge related to that) recently. The US also tends to be pretty aggressive at pursuing crimes against successful people, as doing so allows prosecutors to make names for themselves. I was able to recently access the site while using a US gateway from my VPN (from a US based IP address).

If you have to pay $50k for a license to run the software then your initial investment would be the equivalent of ~217.4 BTC. The site profit of bit dice is ~600 BTC (which I assume does not account for any expenses), however I would think that dice sites wold get a lot more volume of betting (and as a result more profits) then a poker site, however I may be wrong on this.

I admit that dzeros is very good at marketing (however his ethics are questionable at best) as this is likely how he was able to scam for such large amounts of money. Anything with his name anywhere near it is almost certain to be a scam in my eyes. I would guesstimate that he has probably scammed for at least 50 BTC from sites advertised on bitcointalk and probably more from sites run on other forums. Research into his identity has lead me to find allegations of scamming dating back to 2012 on various forums, however I suspect that he had started scamming prior to that by ~2 years. He was able to manipulate multiple people into taking actions that resulted in their reputation (on here) to be ruined, including getting people to both attempt to extort people and to participate in his scams (as in help him scam).
I have (credible) information to believe that dzeros is an alt of the people I mentioned in my negative trust. The people I named are better known alts of his. I have removed my negative trust, however please see my above statement.

The quoted statement includes the phrase would be after would scam, which is saying that if the site were to scam you would do it in a certain way, it did not say that you actually engage in this practice.

No, online gambling a lot closer to black then white, poker on the other hand is a lot closer to white (with the skill aspect) with KYC rules in place.

There are a number of online casino being "run" out of gastown in Vancouver, but for me its too close to the edge.

I wrote a full dice site (http://shibe-dice.com) BEFORE really looking these rules,  have a look at the Programmable Auto Roller and you will see where the bot come from.

The site is sitting 100% operational, minus the fact that wallet is disconnected. I dropped the whole project after digging  into the laws deeper.

I need to shut that down one of these days Amazon keeps dinging me for servers. Damn recurring charges, I always say I am going to do it later.

I enjoy life without having to look over my shoulder. I retired some years ago. Now I do things mostly for fun.

Well just because a reasonable person finds something to be legal, does not mean that a prosecutor will not attempt to bring charges, as there are a number of instances where prosecutors have brought bogus charges, and of those a large number of cases where the defendant had 'rolled over' in order to avoid the risks of going to trial. I am not your lawyer, however poker games do obviously have some level of luck to them.

I believe that a good number of online casinos are being run out of Vancouver (among other places), however that doesn't mean that their operators are following the law. From my observation, law enforcement (and prosecutors) tend to go after the "big fish" so if someone who is breaking the law is doing so but is not very effective then their crimes may be overlooked, however once they become successful then they may get on the radar. I would not be surprised if the prosecutors that brought charges to the owner of SWC looked at numerous sites that were allegedly breaking the same laws but did nothing about it because they were not very successful. 

[ranlo]

I will think about the trust rating I left overnight and will possibly reconsider it. However any harm that my opinions may have caused your reputation will likely benefit you in the long run.

A quick google search regarding Canadian law and online gambling comes with results that both say that online gambling is a gray area of the law and that running an online gambling site is outright illegal. I would say that at best the site will cause legal headaches for you.

I believe the owner of SWC was recently arrested inside the US for running an online casino (or some similar charge related to that) recently. The US also tends to be pretty aggressive at pursuing crimes against successful people, as doing so allows prosecutors to make names for themselves. I was able to recently access the site while using a US gateway from my VPN (from a US based IP address).

If you have to pay $50k for a license to run the software then your initial investment would be the equivalent of ~217.4 BTC. The site profit of bit dice is ~600 BTC (which I assume does not account for any expenses), however I would think that dice sites wold get a lot more volume of betting (and as a result more profits) then a poker site, however I may be wrong on this.

I admit that dzeros is very good at marketing (however his ethics are questionable at best) as this is likely how he was able to scam for such large amounts of money. Anything with his name anywhere near it is almost certain to be a scam in my eyes. I would guesstimate that he has probably scammed for at least 50 BTC from sites advertised on bitcointalk and probably more from sites run on other forums. Research into his identity has lead me to find allegations of scamming dating back to 2012 on various forums, however I suspect that he had started scamming prior to that by ~2 years. He was able to manipulate multiple people into taking actions that resulted in their reputation (on here) to be ruined, including getting people to both attempt to extort people and to participate in his scams (as in help him scam).
I have (credible) information to believe that dzeros is an alt of the people I mentioned in my negative trust. The people I named are better known alts of his. I have removed my negative trust, however please see my above statement.

The quoted statement includes the phrase would be after would scam, which is saying that if the site were to scam you would do it in a certain way, it did not say that you actually engage in this practice.

No, online gambling a lot closer to black then white, poker on the other hand is a lot closer to white (with the skill aspect) with KYC rules in place.

There are a number of online casino being "run" out of gastown in Vancouver, but for me its too close to the edge.

I wrote a full dice site (http://shibe-dice.com) BEFORE really looking these rules,  have a look at the Programmable Auto Roller and you will see where the bot come from.

The site is sitting 100% operational, minus the fact that wallet is disconnected. I dropped the whole project after digging  into the laws deeper.

I need to shut that down one of these days Amazon keeps dinging me for servers. Damn recurring charges, I always say I am going to do it later.

I enjoy life without having to look over my shoulder. I retired some years ago. Now I do things mostly for fun.

Well just because a reasonable person finds something to be legal, does not mean that a prosecutor will not attempt to bring charges, as there are a number of instances where prosecutors have brought bogus charges, and of those a large number of cases where the defendant had 'rolled over' in order to avoid the risks of going to trial. I am not your lawyer, however poker games do obviously have some level of luck to them.

I believe that a good number of online casinos are being run out of Vancouver (among other places), however that doesn't mean that their operators are following the law. From my observation, law enforcement (and prosecutors) tend to go after the "big fish" so if someone who is breaking the law is doing so but is not very effective then their crimes may be overlooked, however once they become successful then they may get on the radar. I would not be surprised if the prosecutors that brought charges to the owner of SWC looked at numerous sites that were allegedly breaking the same laws but did nothing about it because they were not very successful. 

Yeah, not sure how someone doing something makes it magically not illegal. Around me, people keep starting illegal casinos and they usually get shut down/fined after a few months. Then the people start up another one and keep cycling as they earn more than it's costing for the fines, so they win. Doesn't make it any less illegal, it just means the punishment isn't big enough to warrant stopping.

[madroller]

Yeah, not sure how someone doing something makes it magically not illegal. Around me, people keep starting illegal casinos and they usually get shut down/fined after a few months. Then the people start up another one and keep cycling as they earn more than it's costing for the fines, so they win. Doesn't make it any less illegal, it just means the punishment isn't big enough to warrant stopping.

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[shulio]

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All of your freerolls will never be running because there is a requirement minimum of 10 players to join the freeroll and I dont see anyone registered yet for the freerolls. Mod, could you please lower the requirement for minimum players for the game since there is no one playing for now, perhaps like minimum of 4 people

[zinjo]

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All of your freerolls will never be running because there is a requirement minimum of 10 players to join the freeroll and I dont see anyone registered yet for the freerolls. Mod, could you please lower the requirement for minimum players for the game since there is no one playing for now, perhaps like minimum of 4 people

^this , 10 is way too high , i think 4-5 should be right

[S4VV4S]

Can i play on mobile?
Or i cant?
Because i usually play and gambling using my mobile before i am fall a sleep,..

LOL!
How is that working for you?

Are you able to sleep?
And can you think about the game since your going to sleep?

[ranlo]

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Come and join without the need to deposit!

All of your freerolls will never be running because there is a requirement minimum of 10 players to join the freeroll and I dont see anyone registered yet for the freerolls. Mod, could you please lower the requirement for minimum players for the game since there is no one playing for now, perhaps like minimum of 4 people

The issue is if it's easy to get them going with barely any players, the admins are just paying people to play freerolls. That's not profitable for the site...

[shulio]

1m chips freeroll starts in about 50 minutes!
Come and join without the need to deposit!

All of your freerolls will never be running because there is a requirement minimum of 10 players to join the freeroll and I dont see anyone registered yet for the freerolls. Mod, could you please lower the requirement for minimum players for the game since there is no one playing for now, perhaps like minimum of 4 people

The issue is if it's easy to get them going with barely any players, the admins are just paying people to play freerolls. That's not profitable for the site...

It is a promotion to lure in more players and it will never be profittable for the start up process of this site. If he keep on making the requirement to be atleast 10 players than the freerolls wont be happening and I do see players are already leaving the site

[Kiefner]

I see the main problem is a missing reward for activ players .

Of course there is the Faucet dpending on your activity ,
But as a good player you will never go broke so you will never be able to get profit from this .

In my opinion bitpoker needs a rakeback depending on lvl
for example :
- Newbie: 1% RB
- Bronze: 10% RB
- Silver: 20% RB
- Gold: 25% RB
- Platinum: 30% RB

Rakeback could be paid as Crdits which you can exchange to chips , there you could make a extra bonus for collecting a lot of chips.
for example
500credits = 500chips
5.000credits = 5.050chips (1% Bonus )
50.000credits = 51.000chips (2%Bonus)
500.000 credits = 525.000chips ( 5% Bonus )
5.000.000 credits = 5.500.000chips ( 10% Bonus ) that would make a max. Rakeback of 33% so even with 30% of the rake which go to Affliliate , the site will earn 37% of the rake .

[arallmuus]

I see the main problem is a missing reward for activ players .

The main problem is not about the reward for active players. If you are aware, you could actually see that there are no active players yet in the site as because most players are those who play the ring games for fun while waited for the freerolls (including me).

The main problem is that how the sites will be able to lure in more players to play in the site. Honestly the hourly freerolls are not working because it requires at least 10 players to start.
The other issue could be that because the bitpoker.io account is tagged by QuickSeller as an alt of the serial scammer moreia which of course will raise awareness preventing players to deposit into the site

[SyGambler]

I see the main problem is a missing reward for activ players .

The main problem is not about the reward for active players. If you are aware, you could actually see that there are no active players yet in the site as because most players are those who play the ring games for fun while waited for the freerolls (including me).

The main problem is that how the sites will be able to lure in more players to play in the site. Honestly the hourly freerolls are not working because it requires at least 10 players to start.
The other issue could be that because the bitpoker.io account is tagged by QuickSeller as an alt of the serial scammer moreia which of course will raise awareness preventing players to deposit into the site

Exactly
I used to find some action on the tables
now I barely find 2

[ranlo]

I see the main problem is a missing reward for activ players .

Of course there is the Faucet dpending on your activity ,
But as a good player you will never go broke so you will never be able to get profit from this .

In my opinion bitpoker needs a rakeback depending on lvl
for example :
- Newbie: 1% RB
- Bronze: 10% RB
- Silver: 20% RB
- Gold: 25% RB
- Platinum: 30% RB

Rakeback could be paid as Crdits which you can exchange to chips , there you could make a extra bonus for collecting a lot of chips.
for example
500credits = 500chips
5.000credits = 5.050chips (1% Bonus )
50.000credits = 51.000chips (2%Bonus)
500.000 credits = 525.000chips ( 5% Bonus )
5.000.000 credits = 5.500.000chips ( 10% Bonus ) that would make a max. Rakeback of 33% so even with 30% of the rake which go to Affliliate , the site will earn 37% of the rake .

I'd love to see rakeback brought in. While people are focused on "active players," rakeback also gives incentive to playing higher stakes. Pretty much every big site has a reward system like this in some way or another.

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