Quickseller accuses me without proof!?

[gio3442]

Hi!

I just logged in my account some time ago to see this.

I thought that only admins had access to IP logs. Nevertheless, I've never used his service. I don't know what the point behind this accusation is nor how he could back his claims.

[Quickseller]

You are his alt and I have proof. The fact that you are denying that you are his alt only strengthens my arguement

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Hi!

I just logged in my account some time ago to see this.

I thought that only admins had access to IP logs. Nevertheless, I've never used his service. I don't know what the point behind this accusation is nor how he could back his claims.

[gio3442]

How is this post strengthening your arguement? I couldn't just accept your outlandish accusation like that. I don't see any arguement posed by you in the first place.

[Quickseller]

How is this post strengthening your arguement? I couldn't just accept your outlandish accusation like that. I don't see any arguement posed by you in the first place.

My arguement against your other account. My claim on this this account is that you are an alt of worhipper which you are.

There is really no reason to post from two different accounts making the exact same claim against you.

I don't see any reason to post further on this thread as your other thread is just as pointless.

[gio3442]

Your argument keeps getting shallower then. You don't have access to the IP logs of https://bitcointalk.org do you?

[Twipple]

How is this post strengthening your arguement? I couldn't just accept your outlandish accusation like that. I don't see any arguement posed by you in the first place.

My arguement against your other account. My claim on this this account is that you are an alt of worhipper which you are.

There is really no reason to post from two different accounts making the exact same claim against you.

I don't see any reason to post further on this thread as your other thread is just as pointless.

Perhaps since you are the one giving him a negative trust, and he is defending himself , you should post the proof of it being an alt, so atleast the other people know it as well.

[erikalui]

Being an alt of a person who backs out from an escrow agreement also makes one to be a scammer? Even if this user is an alt, what's the big deal unless he has truly scammed someone using this alt account. If he has (tries to), there will be some kind of claim.


Now it just appears as a personal grudge against someone now and not a scam accusation. Anyways, this post should be moved to Meta (which is already filled with such claims).

[Quickseller]

If the OP wants to publicly deny that he is an alt of worhipper as I claimed in my trust report then I will post proof on the condition that he agrees to drop/lock all threads he has opened against me once I post proof.

If the OP wants to admit that he is in fact an alt of worhipper then there is no point to this thread and he can lock it.

If the OP refuses to do either of the above then well, I guess that is that.
since I do not this person's RL identity, I labeled him as being an alt of his handle that I know to have attempted to scam.

[alani123]

If the OP wants to publicly deny that he is an alt of worhipper as I claimed in my trust report then I will post proof on the condition that he agrees to drop/lock all threads he has opened against me once I post proof.

If the OP wants to admit that he is in fact an alt of worhipper then there is no point to this thread and he can lock it.

If the OP refuses to do either of the above then well, I guess that is that.
since I do not this person's RL identity, I labeled him as being an alt of his handle that I know to have attempted to scam.

First of all, admin tools are the only way to prove that two accounts are used by the same user. Only badbear is known to have access to those tools.

Whatever your 'proof' about the account being used by the same user is, it's not credible. What's more ridiculous is that you over dramatize things saying that the other person attempted to scam while all he did was to refuse using your services. Why do you have to take things so far Quickseller? Even worshiper didn't ever scam anybody, your passion for revenge is leading you to mistakes. There's no reason to bully people like that.

[Twipple]

If the OP wants to publicly deny that he is an alt of worhipper as I claimed in my trust report then I will post proof on the condition that he agrees to drop/lock all threads he has opened against me once I post proof.

If the op wishes to deny that he is an alt of worshipper , then why does he have to lock all threads against you ? Lets say he isn't an alt of the person accused, and goes about denying any relation , then are you saying you wouldn't post the proof to justify the negative rep you gave him ?

[tspacepilot]

If the OP wants to publicly deny that he is an alt of worhipper as I claimed in my trust report then I will post proof on the condition that he agrees to drop/lock all threads he has opened against me once I post proof.

If the OP wants to admit that he is in fact an alt of worhipper then there is no point to this thread and he can lock it.

If the OP refuses to do either of the above then well, I guess that is that.
since I do not this person's RL identity, I labeled him as being an alt of his handle that I know to have attempted to scam.

Notice there's no choice in there in which QS admits that he might be wrong.  This is his usual bullying style.  We've seen it before.  We'll continue to see it until he's no longer an authority.

[tidus1097]

If the OP wants to publicly deny that he is an alt of worhipper as I claimed in my trust report then I will post proof on the condition that he agrees to drop/lock all threads he has opened against me once I post proof.

If the OP wants to admit that he is in fact an alt of worhipper then there is no point to this thread and he can lock it.

If the OP refuses to do either of the above then well, I guess that is that.
since I do not this person's RL identity, I labeled him as being an alt of his handle that I know to have attempted to scam.

Notice there's no choice in there in which QS admits that he might be wrong.  This is his usual bullying style.  We've seen it before.  We'll continue to see it until he's no longer an authority.

Because he's not wrong. Quickseller asked me about Worhiper a long time ago when this started, because he had seen that I had sold him a account. Quickseller said that he didn't know if he was attempting to scam or not, that he was gathering more information about it. Now this was right when Quickseller had given Worhiper the negative feedback. Maybe 2 or 3 days after. Quickseller also said that I did not have to give him the info he requested. That he was not 100% sure that Worhiper was going to use the account to scam, but wanted the info just to keep a eye on it. Of course I give it to him. You got Quickseller in one corner, a highly trusted member of the community, and the other a senior member with neutral trust with a questionable trade practice against him.

http://imgur.com/05CPWhz

[Twipple]

Because he's not wrong. Quickseller asked me about Worhiper a long time ago when this started, because he had seen that I had sold him a account. Quickseller said that he didn't know if he was attempting to scam or not, that he was gathering more information about it. Now this was right when Quickseller had given Worhiper the negative feedback. Maybe 2 or 3 days after. Quickseller also said that I did not have to give him the info he requested. That he was not 100% sure that Worhiper was going to use the account to scam, but wanted the info just to keep a eye on it. Of course I give it to him. You got Quickseller in one corner, a highly trusted member of the community, and the other a senior member with neutral trust with a questionable trade practice against him.

http://imgur.com/05CPWhz

But with what you say and the information you gave, or posted here, it doesn't mean that worhipper scammed someone. People are not unhappy that worhipper has an alt revealed, but unhappy because firstly he got a negative trust for backing out of an escrow, and secondly despite backing out, he really didn't deserve a negative trust on all his alts or rather his main account itself.

Did worhipper not end up paying you ?  You also realize that by posting this info you let your other alts be compromised from the post history of gio3442 ?

[tidus1097]

Because he's not wrong. Quickseller asked me about Worhiper a long time ago when this started, because he had seen that I had sold him a account. Quickseller said that he didn't know if he was attempting to scam or not, that he was gathering more information about it. Now this was right when Quickseller had given Worhiper the negative feedback. Maybe 2 or 3 days after. Quickseller also said that I did not have to give him the info he requested. That he was not 100% sure that Worhiper was going to use the account to scam, but wanted the info just to keep a eye on it. Of course I give it to him. You got Quickseller in one corner, a highly trusted member of the community, and the other a senior member with neutral trust with a questionable trade practice against him.

http://imgur.com/05CPWhz

But with what you say and the information you gave, or posted here, it doesn't mean that worhipper scammed someone. People are not unhappy that worhipper has an alt revealed, but unhappy because firstly he got a negative trust for backing out of an escrow, and secondly despite backing out, he really didn't deserve a negative trust on all his alts or rather his main account itself.

Did worhipper not end up paying you ?  You also realize that by posting this info you let your other alts be compromised from the post history of gio3442 ?

If compromised means that they know it was mine? Then let it be compromised. I have never hid anything from the community nor will I. Now the post history of the account has absolutely zero to do with me. I bought the accounts, they sat in some random email til I could get rid of them.  Worhipper did pay me for the account. No escrow was used. Since it was such a low amount, I did give him the benefit of doubt and sent the info to him before any type of escrow details could be worked out. He did send the btc promptly to me after he had the info for it.

[Twipple]

If compromised means that they know it was mine? Then let it be compromised. I have never hid anything from the community nor will I. Now the post history of the account has absolutely zero to do with me. I bought the accounts, they sat in some random email til I could get rid of them.  Worhipper did pay me for the account. No escrow was used. Since it was such a low amount, I did give him the benefit of doubt and sent the info to him before any type of escrow details could be worked out. He did send the btc promptly to me after he had the info for it.

If he did pay you, then thats all I meant from the things already discussed. Quickseller is just giving the account a negative rep for a personal grudge. worhipper hasn't actually scammed anyone out of any trade.

[tidus1097]

If compromised means that they know it was mine? Then let it be compromised. I have never hid anything from the community nor will I. Now the post history of the account has absolutely zero to do with me. I bought the accounts, they sat in some random email til I could get rid of them.  Worhipper did pay me for the account. No escrow was used. Since it was such a low amount, I did give him the benefit of doubt and sent the info to him before any type of escrow details could be worked out. He did send the btc promptly to me after he had the info for it.

If he did pay you, then thats all I meant from the things already discussed. Quickseller is just giving the account a negative rep for a personal grudge. worhipper hasn't actually scammed anyone out of any trade.

I've sat and watched both sides of this fight. I have been into it with Quickseller before, that's how I got to know him. I can see both points of view in this case. Quickseller has dealt with enough scammers and attempted scammers so much that I do think that it becomes harder and harder to believe someone when cases like this appear. Now I'm in no way shape or fashion saying that Quickseller is wrong. OR that Worhipper is wrong. That's why I kept out of it as much as possible. But I had to interject when it was a account that I had sold was involved. Do I think that Quickseller is wrong with this case? I'm undecided. Do I think that Quickseller uses his default trust to abuse the forum? No, I do not. Sides have been set, lines drawn. The only thing I forsee happening is more argueing and fighting. I do not see a reasonable end to this no time soon unfortunately.

[tspacepilot]

Because he's not wrong. Quickseller asked me about Worhiper a long time ago when this started, because he had seen that I had sold him a account. Quickseller said that he didn't know if he was attempting to scam or not, that he was gathering more information about it. Now this was right when Quickseller had given Worhiper the negative feedback. Maybe 2 or 3 days after. Quickseller also said that I did not have to give him the info he requested. That he was not 100% sure that Worhiper was going to use the account to scam, but wanted the info just to keep a eye on it. Of course I give it to him. You got Quickseller in one corner, a highly trusted member of the community, and the other a senior member with neutral trust with a questionable trade practice against him.

http://imgur.com/05CPWhz

But with what you say and the information you gave, or posted here, it doesn't mean that worhipper scammed someone. People are not unhappy that worhipper has an alt revealed, but unhappy because firstly he got a negative trust for backing out of an escrow, and secondly despite backing out, he really didn't deserve a negative trust on all his alts or rather his main account itself.

Did worhipper not end up paying you ?  You also realize that by posting this info you let your other alts be compromised from the post history of gio3442 ?

If compromised means that they know it was mine? Then let it be compromised. I have never hid anything from the community nor will I. Now the post history of the account has absolutely zero to do with me. I bought the accounts, they sat in some random email til I could get rid of them.  Worhipper did pay me for the account. No escrow was used. Since it was such a low amount, I did give him the benefit of doubt and sent the info to him before any type of escrow details could be worked out. He did send the btc promptly to me after he had the info for it.

Sounds like you trusted worhiper_-_ and he came through.  Maybe you should leave positive feedback on his accounts as a trustworthy person who you sent first to and he paid with no issue.  Then again, that would put you on the wrong side of Quickseller and you'd be risking negative feedback from him because I'm sure he wouldn't have an issue with using your "support" of a "scammer" to say that you were a scammer.

[tidus1097]

Because he's not wrong. Quickseller asked me about Worhiper a long time ago when this started, because he had seen that I had sold him a account. Quickseller said that he didn't know if he was attempting to scam or not, that he was gathering more information about it. Now this was right when Quickseller had given Worhiper the negative feedback. Maybe 2 or 3 days after. Quickseller also said that I did not have to give him the info he requested. That he was not 100% sure that Worhiper was going to use the account to scam, but wanted the info just to keep a eye on it. Of course I give it to him. You got Quickseller in one corner, a highly trusted member of the community, and the other a senior member with neutral trust with a questionable trade practice against him.

http://imgur.com/05CPWhz

But with what you say and the information you gave, or posted here, it doesn't mean that worhipper scammed someone. People are not unhappy that worhipper has an alt revealed, but unhappy because firstly he got a negative trust for backing out of an escrow, and secondly despite backing out, he really didn't deserve a negative trust on all his alts or rather his main account itself.

Did worhipper not end up paying you ?  You also realize that by posting this info you let your other alts be compromised from the post history of gio3442 ?

If compromised means that they know it was mine? Then let it be compromised. I have never hid anything from the community nor will I. Now the post history of the account has absolutely zero to do with me. I bought the accounts, they sat in some random email til I could get rid of them.  Worhipper did pay me for the account. No escrow was used. Since it was such a low amount, I did give him the benefit of doubt and sent the info to him before any type of escrow details could be worked out. He did send the btc promptly to me after he had the info for it.

Sounds like you trusted worhiper_-_ and he came through.  Maybe you should leave positive feedback on his accounts as a trustworthy person who you sent first to and he paid with no issue.

[Twipple]

The only thing I forsee happening is more argueing and fighting. I do not see a reasonable end to this no time soon unfortunately.

Well that is not true. Negative trusts can be explained and usually happen for a reason. It is pretty evident that worhipper had no extent of scamming , and Quickseller is treating him like a scammer, and even going to the degree of contacting you and getting information of his alt accounts. Quickseller is not doing this to keep the community safe. He is only doing it to that extent because of his personal grudge.

[sfkhsfhk]

[...]Quickseller is [...] only doing it to that extent because of his personal grudge.

Not against the forum rules. Quickseller is doing exactly what you're all doing, scraping out some change from this forum.
He's just better at it