7970 hot hot hot!

[optimator]

I've started mining with a small rig. I've picked up a couple of used 7970's. I'm running ubuntu 12.04 with cgminer.

I actually, don't know that much about the cards I bought. One is a single fan 7970 that takes up 2 slots. The other is a 2 fan unit that takes up 3 slots. Call 'em card 0 and card 1.

I start cgminer with the auto fan option.

Card 0: 1185 Mhz CPU, 1035Mhz Mem Clock, 85% fan, 74C
Card 1: 1185 Mhz CPU, 1035Mhz Mem Clock, 35% fan, 72C

Both are generating 706Mh/s.

Sweet!, But I think it's a bit hot. So I think - kick up the fan on Card 1 (85%) and maybe that'll dissipate some of the heat from Card 0.

Now: Card 0 is 68C; Card 1 is 59C

But Card 0 is doing 650Mh/s, Card 1 is doing 706 Mh/s.

Could/Does the temperature affect the hash rate?

[AndrewBUD]

Not usually... One is probably an overclocked version vs a reference version? Not I doubt they both have the same stock speeds.


Check in cgminer.... g, c, 0 see what the engine speed is and do the same with card 1.



you can change these settings through cgminer and you can try and lower the ram to help keep the heat down.

[AmDD]

cgminer also has a "--target-temp" option that you can adjust, the default is 75 i think.

[AndrewBUD]

yes it's 75..... those 7970 should stay around 75 no problem.....

[iCEBREAKER]

PowerTune will slow things down if it thinks the card is getting too hot.

[AndrewBUD]

by default powertune is off.... right?

[iCEBREAKER]

by default powertune is off.... right?

Just the opposite.  Powertune is 0 by default.  You can't turn it off completely (it's part of the hardware).  But you can turn Powertune's TTD tolerance up by a maximum of 20%.

Con says cgminer is best with 7970s using powertune +5.  But I have better luck with the max, perhaps because I'm using the newest drivers.  I also set my mem:gpu at 1:1 so that might be part of it.  YMMV.

[AndrewBUD]

0 meaning that it does not make core clock changes? You must have a range set in the config file for this to be true?  eg. 5850 @ 725-950

[iCEBREAKER]

0 meaning that it does not make core clock changes? You must have a range set in the config file for this to be true?  eg. 5850 @ 725-950

PowerTune doesn't change the clock, it's much finer grained than that.  Think of it as adding little pauses (choppiness).

PT monitors the different parts of the GPU and *anticipates* when something might be about to overheat (exceed the allowed TTD).

PT responds proactively, throttling the GPU just enough to keep it within the allowed thermal envelope before exceeding it.

PT 0 is the default, PT 20 raises the max allowed temp by 20%.  You can use negative values too.

If you're running too hot, leave it at 0 or 5.

[Fiyasko]

you could shave 2-5°C off by dropping the memory clock (it might hurt your hashrate depending on your kernal, On others you might get a boost)

[zvs]

I've started mining with a small rig. I've picked up a couple of used 7970's. I'm running ubuntu 12.04 with cgminer.

I actually, don't know that much about the cards I bought. One is a single fan 7970 that takes up 2 slots. The other is a 2 fan unit that takes up 3 slots. Call 'em card 0 and card 1.

I start cgminer with the auto fan option.

Card 0: 1185 Mhz CPU, 1035Mhz Mem Clock, 85% fan, 74C
Card 1: 1185 Mhz CPU, 1035Mhz Mem Clock, 35% fan, 72C

Both are generating 706Mh/s.

Sweet!, But I think it's a bit hot. So I think - kick up the fan on Card 1 (85%) and maybe that'll dissipate some of the heat from Card 0.

Now: Card 0 is 68C; Card 1 is 59C

But Card 0 is doing 650Mh/s, Card 1 is doing 706 Mh/s.

Could/Does the temperature affect the hash rate?

i don't know about 7970's specifically, but ppl tend to give figures way too low for "safe" temps  (esp on overclocking sites)

if the 7970 is anything like a 5830, 5850, 5870, 80o (or probably even 85o) or lower for the GPU is fine.. as long as all GPU sensors are below 85-90o and all VRMs are below 100 (well, these I think are fine up to 110-120, but...)

until about two months ago, i kept all my cards below 70o.  but not really possible now in this heat.  i'm in texas and the comps are in a sealed off room, it's well-ventilated but temps still get to be about 5-10o above outside temp.  so if it's 100o outside, it's 110o in there.   it's cooled down a bit lately, but back when the outside temps were 105o, i'd have a few cards that would get close to 80oC during the day, lately they've been topping out around 75o...

a lot of times if you have old thermal paste on there or someone gunked it on there, what you see as your main GPU temp could be rather misleading.  there have been several cards I've gotten off of eBay that'll read 70oC but have gpu 3 sensor at 90 or 95oC.    that's not good, it usually means 'take this pos apart and re-apply some thermal paste', on rare occasions it means 'take off this pos fan and shroud and ziptie a super-loud badass 120mm fan on this mofo'.  i have one of the latter.  i put it at the bottom of my stack since it takes up 3 slots w/ this massive 120mm fan, but it keeps the middle card a lot cooler too.  

[AndrewBUD]

I tried to deal with the big 120mm Scythe 3200rpm fan on the thing but it annoyed me.... ended up fitting a 5770 fan on to a 5850.... It's been working fine since....

[AndrewBUD]

You can set the threshold in cgminer.conf (config file)

[Fiyasko]

So this is a hashrate issue right?
Are you using Dynamic Intensity? I reccomend that you Do Not Do So, because when running under Dynamic instead of a set intensity, Will cause your card to only use One mining 'thread' instead of the normal amount (usually Two threads) Resulting in a drop of mh/s

Now, Even if Both the cards are on dynamic, Just try taking them off dynamic, And setting them to Intensity 7 or 9, If you wanna use the desktop, use 6.
During dynamic, CGminer automatically adjusts the instensity (but still with one thread) to find the "best hashrate", Now thats great and all, But it's a little errorprone...
Sometimes it'll try an intensity>10  wich will cause Massive cpu usage, When this massive usage occurs, You may lose hashrate, So CGminer will go back to <10 But then again goes "i got higher mh when i was at intensity >10", Then the CPU loads up again, Hashrate drops, Repeat.

Try setting both your cards to intensity 7 or 9, 6 if you want desktop, 5 if you wanna game (IMO for higher fps)

[AndrewBUD]

I use 9 on dedicated mining cards and 6 on a desktop card.

[AndrewBUD]

yeah those are the default settings

[optimator]

So this is a hashrate issue right?
Are you using Dynamic Intensity? I reccomend that you Do Not Do So, because when running under Dynamic instead of a set intensity, Will cause your card to only use One mining 'thread' instead of the normal amount (usually Two threads) Resulting in a drop of mh/s

Now, Even if Both the cards are on dynamic, Just try taking them off dynamic, And setting them to Intensity 7 or 9, If you wanna use the desktop, use 6.
During dynamic, CGminer automatically adjusts the instensity (but still with one thread) to find the "best hashrate", Now thats great and all, But it's a little errorprone...
Sometimes it'll try an intensity>10  wich will cause Massive cpu usage, When this massive usage occurs, You may lose hashrate, So CGminer will go back to <10 But then again goes "i got higher mh when i was at intensity >10", Then the CPU loads up again, Hashrate drops, Repeat.

Try setting both your cards to intensity 7 or 9, 6 if you want desktop, 5 if you wanna game (IMO for higher fps)

Yeah - It's a hash rate issue because card0 - the card I did nothing to, dropped 50Mh/s. This happened when I set the fan on Card 1 to 85% and the temps on both cards dropped. I'm running with an -I 9 setting. I guess I'll have to chalk it up to the big unknown...

[superfastkyle]

Sometimes driver crashes with the 7970's cause ram speed, or both gpu and ram to not change when cgminer tries to set them. More than likely you just need to restart. Use GPU-z to make sure settings are being applied correctly. Heat should not cause a hashrate decrease, unless your cards are overheating (at least 80 degrees probably more like 90 though) you will see the hash rate start and stop when that happens as the card throttles itself

one more thought if you have the crossfire cable connected, its not needed unless you want to game too. I have mine connected and sometimes if I don't start mining within a minute or so of bootup the non display card will go in low power mode and not have overclocking ability at all

I run my 7970 all the way up to about 77 degrees without any stability issues

[JWU42]

For 7970 and linux...

Use I of 11

I still keep mine at 70 target temp and just run them slower during the summer.

Lastly - 7970 mem can only run at core less 150 in linux.  Windows plays some games to run lower but not such luck with cgminer and linux.

I have been running 2 - 4x7970 rigs for 7 months now.  They are great cards!

[optimator]

<EDIT>

That was it! I was reading the wrong side of the hash rate info. I changed the Intensity to 11 and restarted the card. I'm back up to 700 Mh/s. THANKS!