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May 03, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
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Who is interested in having their Bitcoin savings offline?  I am thinking along the lines of paper wallets where the private key has never been exposed to the Internet.

It's actually pretty easy to generate a paper wallet offline so that the private key is never exposed to the Internet. You could use a paper wallet generator from a trusted website and run it offline or you could do what I did and run a copy of Vanitygen on an offline computer and either write down or print the private key onto a piece of paper. If you would prefer to keep your coins on something more durable then paper then you could alternatively choose to engrave the private key onto a piece of wood or metal:



There are also devices out there which can print paper wallets and hardware wallets like the Trezor which offer offline storage of bitcoins, as well as the ability to verify transactions and even sign transactions offline without the need to expose your private keys.

i find my usb doing a job good as a cold storage, so unless this thing is not much more expensive than a usb, i'll stick with my pen drive

in my case i don't need to do a offline transaction, because i have a good way to know if my pc is safe

Flash media might work well for a few years but exceptions aside, I wouldn't trust it for extended long term cold storage. The electrons can slowly leak over time. Most pen drives will lose some of their data after one or two decades without being powered up.

Engraving is good if you have the professional equipment to do it. I hand-engraved wallets onto silver bullets once, but when the people I gifted them to wanted to redeem them, we went through great torture trying to figure out the print (on such a small bullet).
If you get your local jeweler to do the job, he could take a pic of the private key or retrieve it later from the CCTV footage.
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May 03, 2015, 01:27:10 PM
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Amazing response, I am happy with the interest people have shown regardless.

Lots of good points raised, I've been through all of these methods myself but I always had a nagging paranoia compared to how I feel about my bank account (fairly chilled).  Now I use an easy solution that makes me feel super secure and generally happier, though I apologise for not directly sharing it - it's something I may want to patent.

I recognise, as many have said, that the current methods are very cheap (which may be difficult to compete with in the market).
Hardware wallets like Trezor are waaay too expensive though.


And let me add to that:
How are they weak?

If you create a paper wallet on an offline computer, then completely erase all data from that computer (hell, even get a cheap old pc and destroy it afterwards),
how is that weak?

Please enlighten me.


I mean that paper is weak because it could disintegrate over time, even from common things like dampness in the house, drying up over many years and disintegrating, a rogue child could puke on it, a rogue teenager could spill beer on it, you could spill beer on it, insects might much it down.  Of course when that happens say goodbye to all the money.

Making multiple copies may seem like the solution...2 (still scared), 3 (just about OK), screw it I need to make 5!  Now the problem is that there are 5 copies hidden in different places and this brings a completely new kind of paranoia because 5 is a full time job to monitor and it's even harder to know if one of them has been discovered.  It's very possible that I could even forget the location of one when there are lots of them and suddenly I have no idea if the wallet is safe or not.

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May 03, 2015, 02:27:47 PM
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Good point about the multiple copies. I'm always reluctant to make multiple copies of my hard wallets because the more copies there are, the more vulnerable you become to someone finding your hidden copies.

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May 03, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
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Encrypted wallet in an encrypted container on an encrypted USB stick.

The hell do you need more ? Cost is the cost of a USB stick.
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May 03, 2015, 03:24:40 PM
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In the last week I've seen at least 3 users who were gathering interest for a Bitcoin Paper wallet.
As good as offline storage is, you'll find it hard to sell in a slow market with quite a bit of competition.
What would your wallets offer that give it the edge over your competitors?

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May 03, 2015, 03:34:03 PM
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Ok, where are you situated?

In most countries it's illegal to mint any form of coins, without governmental approval. 

You are opening yourself up for a huge shit storm, if you go about it in the wrong way... Here is a old article on the matter:

Source : http://www.coindesk.com/us-regulators-bitcoin-mint-casascius-shut/

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May 03, 2015, 08:25:25 PM
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Encrypted wallet in an encrypted container on an encrypted USB stick.

The hell do you need more ? Cost is the cost of a USB stick.

...and then your USB stick has a technical fault and everything is lost.  No way I would rely on one solitary USB stick alone. 

Not planning to mint coins either, that would be copying what others have done, no originality there.

The point that was made about "lots of competition in a slow market", this is a very interesting point.  Perhaps the Bitcoin ecosystem is still to small to launch a profitable product into.  That makes it hard for small-timers like me because often the companies that can launch products are willing and able to sustain big losses in the beginning years in return for getting their brand name out and known early.  Small-timers like me can't sustain any commercial-scale loss.

Well...thats why Im here asking you.  So far its been very helpful.
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May 03, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
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Encrypted wallet in an encrypted container on an encrypted USB stick.

The hell do you need more ? Cost is the cost of a USB stick.

...and then your USB stick has a technical fault and everything is lost.  No way I would rely on one solitary USB stick alone. 

Not planning to mint coins either, that would be copying what others have done, no originality there.

The point that was made about "lots of competition in a slow market", this is a very interesting point.  Perhaps the Bitcoin ecosystem is still to small to launch a profitable product into.  That makes it hard for small-timers like me because often the companies that can launch products are willing and able to sustain big losses in the beginning years in return for getting their brand name out and known early.  Small-timers like me can't sustain any commercial-scale loss.

Well...thats why Im here asking you.  So far its been very helpful.

Make 5 of them. Drop them at friend's house etc.
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May 03, 2015, 09:37:38 PM
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No. I don't want any kind of physical storage. Being immaterial is one thing I like most about BTC.

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May 04, 2015, 06:48:28 AM
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No. I don't want any kind of physical storage. Being immaterial is one thing I like most about BTC.

then you should not run your local wallet on your desktop or storing your balance on any exchange, because those run on a physical mahcine as well

bitcoin isn't non-physical, because it run on a physical things...
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