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Have any idea to add deepnet websites? ...
The ones I listed above are all for legal sales in the U.S., but sure. If I lived in a corrupt country with an oppressive government i would not care about the law. It's hard to vouch for those sites though. They are often criminal enterprises and the idea of trust among criminals is a fantasy.
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Certainly an interesting list, never considered something like this could be legal...you do need to pick it up yourself or do they even ship it to you?
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Certainly an interesting list, never considered something like this could be legal...you do need to pick it up yourself or do they even ship it to you?
My friends abroad are always shocked by this. However, these sales are highly supervised. To buy a pistol online it goes like this: First you must be 18 and have no felony convictions. Then you pick out a gun you want from a website and pay. The gun is NOT shipped to you. It must be shipped to an FFL holder (licensed gun dealer) in your state. When it arrives at the FFL you have to go and fill out paperwork, then have a background check and in most states there is a waiting period. So you can't get it that day. A few days later you can come and pick it up. If you are going to carry the gun you will have to submit fingerprints for a more extensive background check. Since I travel a lot with my gun, I additionally have a "Utah" permit that requires a super background check. There are more background checks and expensive requirements if you want a silencer, short barreled rifle, sawed off shotgun, full-auto machine gun. It's more work and expense than many realize.
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Interesting, I'll keep this in mind.
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Have any idea to add deepnet websites? ...
The ones I listed above are all for legal sales in the U.S., but sure. If I lived in a corrupt country with an oppressive government i would not care about the law. It's hard to vouch for those sites though. They are often criminal enterprises and the idea of trust among criminals is a fantasy. Most of them are scams. It's hard to find an armory TOR website which will actually deliver.
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My friends abroad are always shocked by this. However, these sales are highly supervised. To buy a pistol online it goes like this:
First you must be 18 and have no felony convictions.
Then you pick out a gun you want from a website and pay.
The gun is NOT shipped to you. It must be shipped to an FFL holder (licensed gun dealer) in your state.
When it arrives at the FFL you have to go and fill out paperwork, then have a background check and in most states there is a waiting period. So you can't get it that day.
A few days later you can come and pick it up. If you are going to carry the gun you will have to submit fingerprints for a more extensive background check. Since I travel a lot with my gun, I additionally have a "Utah" permit that requires a super background check.
There are more background checks and expensive requirements if you want a silencer, short barreled rifle, sawed off shotgun, full-auto machine gun. It's more work and expense than many realize.
Well that makes a lot more sense. Guns aren't that common here in Belgium, so the process does intrigue me
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Last I checked the wait time for the form 4 was like 10 months. Crazy, just to get a silencer.
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I have done some long-range target shooting with .50 cal rifles that the owner had custom made and ordered in from across the country (he lived in Nevada; the rifles were made in Tennesse).
The darn things are monsters. Bullpup arrangement with the barrel going all the way back to the shoulder, but it's a darn 48-inch barrel. Bolt-action breech closure with no magazine whatsoever; you load shells one at a time. They weigh as much as a jackhammer and they put holes in manhole covers from over a mile away. And if you're really good, which I'm not, they put holes dead center in manhole covers from over a mile away.
He used to joke about having one made in .666 caliber and calling it a "light antichrist weapon"
Pretty sure that shop doesn't accept Bitcoin, but hey, they could surprise me.
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I have done some long-range target shooting with .50 cal rifles that ...
Pretty sure that shop doesn't accept Bitcoin, but hey, they could surprise me.
Like these?: http://shop.centraltexasgunworks.com/catalog.bolt-action-rifles?&caliber=94Or these semi auto .50BMG?: http://shop.centraltexasgunworks.com/catalog.semi-automatic-rifles?&caliber=94All can be bought for BTC. They can be insanely expensive and it is hard to find a range to shoot them. But it is fun to shoot a gun that can punch holes through an engine block. In the military these are often used in the anti-material role. Rather than launch a risky and expensive attack on a AA missile site you can just shoot a hole through the missile and render the entire system useless.
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A fair amount like the first one on that page, except that the breech is all the way back at the tail end of the stock and the barrel is that much longer (and heavier). They can be insanely expensive and it is hard to find a range to shoot them. But it is fun to shoot a gun that can punch holes through an engine block.
They are insanely expensive all right. Jason was paying $15K and up, per piece. But you're going to pay that when you want something that there's only ever going to be one of. In the military these are often used in the anti-material role. Rather than launch a risky and expensive attack on a AA missile site you can just shoot a hole through the missile and render the entire system useless.
That's kinda awesome. But Jason and his crew don't really give a crap about how powerful it is; he'd be as happy shooting a BB gun if it could reliably hit a target dead center from upwards of a mile away. Happier even, because then practice shooting wouldn't cost so darn much. But that far downrange, high-power rounds are the only ones that reliably arrive exactly where the gun was pointing.
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That's kinda awesome. But Jason and his crew don't really give a crap about how powerful it is; he'd be as happy shooting a BB gun if it could reliably hit a target dead center from upwards of a mile away. Happier even, because then practice shooting wouldn't cost so darn much. But that far downrange, high-power rounds are the only ones that reliably arrive exactly where the gun was pointing.
I agree. I shoot a .308 at this club: http://winnequahgunclub.org/But it's not the power as much as the precision. I'm still surprised how you can take a bunch of data and calculate where to shoot. For example, If I want to hit the bullseye from 1000yds. I'm holding about 26 ft. high. Before I joined this club it would not even have occurred to me to take such a shot. But yes, I would give up the power. In fact i have my eye on a Volquartsen 10/22. These guys make Ruger guns but better than Ruger can make them. Now if I can just convince them to take bitcoin. https://www.volquartsen.com/
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May 14, 2015, 09:11:52 PM |
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What's the point of paying with BTC if you can't buy anonymously?
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I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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What's the point of paying with BTC if you can't buy anonymously?
With effort and knowledge you can use BTC anonymously, but it is really a "private and secure" way to buy and not anonymous. The retailer receives only the money and has no access to additional funds. With a credit card you give everything. I would strongly recommend not trying to buy firearms anomalously. You can pay without a name, but if you were caught with a pistol with no records... Man are you in trouble. You will spend years in prison and forever lose your rights to own firearms. Besides, in the U.S. you can get whatever you want legally. Unless you are already a convict.
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What RodeoX said.
Buying anonymously, if caught, means at the least losing your right to buy legally, and depending on what you buy and under what circumstances you're caught, can mean jail time and other unpleasantness. So, don't do that.
On a trip to another country, you might spot a little open-air market thriving in a jurisdictionally-mysterious area next to the duty-free zone near the airport, where a 13-year-old girl with a sunny smile and adorable Irish freckles that don't match her Asian skin tone, straight black hair, or epicanthic folds at all is managing a cash box and sitting behind a card table that creaks under a load of Galiels, Kalashnakovs, AK's, and BARs. If you don't bring up ideas like background checks or waiting periods or licenses, she probably won't either. For all I know she accepts Bitcoin now. And, now that I think of it, probably isn't thirteen any more.
And if you need some local flexibility, I'm given to understand her younger (!) brother drives a taxi and one of the first English phrases he learned (because it gets him big tips when he says it) is "now wasn't that much nicer than going through customs?" But if you buy a gun off that card table, you're being a big idiot. If you try to bring that gun back into the USA, you're being an even bigger idiot. No matter how easy it is while you're away, it is never worth the hassle and risk, let alone the expense. It's a cointoss whether you are at bigger risk of winding up in jail in the US or in the country where you buy, but you've got to figure that risk in when you're looking at the jaw-droppingly cheap prices on that card table. And you've got to understand that neither she nor her brother gives a crap whether you wind up in jail or whose jail you wind up in, as long as it happens after they get paid.
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You may consider to add this video about first link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0XcvHgpTcThe owner of the shop explains everyting about buying legal guns with bitcoin.
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Can you buy in UK?
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@cakir - I added the link, thanks. What RodeoX said. Buying anonymously, if caught, means ...
Good points. I will have to find a picture of some of the gun markets in the Middle East. They will sell you all sorts of stuff. Then B.S. you by saying "Its ok to bring home, just put in luggage". yeah right. Can you buy in UK?
I think you are very limited in the U.K. I think even long guns require all sorts of paperwork, and pistols or machine guns are almost unobtainable. Here in the U.S. kids grow up shooting guns and its not a big deal.
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Here is a gun market I have shopped at in Nizwa Oman. Lots of cool old guns, but good luck getting them home. They like Enfields, Sharps rifles, and other old bolt guns. Some of them have been worked on for generations. They have cool silver work and camel bone inlay. Real works of art.
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