Miracles of Islam

[Hamuki]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

[Spendulus]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

Indeed.  Courtesy of NASA and the LRO/LCROSS spacecraft, we now have mapped the entire Moon down to 1/2 meter at the poles and about 2 meters at the equator.   This entire planetary database is available on the Internet.  Here is one link to the work-

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/lola-topo-map.html

We also know, because the Moon has a vacuum, no rain, no snow, no surface movement except when a new rock hits it from space, the rate of accumulation of new dust on the surface to be about 1 mm per 1000 years.   Therefore, the splitting of the Moon would have only got about one millimeter of new dust.

I am willing to help devout Muslims look on these high resolution maps for evidence of their prophet splitting the Moon.

This may be a unique opportunity for religion to be proved by science, or for science to refute an alleged miracle.

[Hamuki]

Please stop, I am at work and people keep looking at me because I start laughing xD

Does anyone else have some miracles?
Or did all the muslims all of a sudden leave BTCtalk?

[Spendulus]

Please stop, I am at work and people keep looking at me because I start laughing xD

Does anyone else have some miracles?
Or did all the muslims all of a sudden leave BTCtalk?

I am ready with the fierce sword of Occim the Great (from the tribe of  Occim Razor) to cut off the numbers in of bad math, and with the Great Book of Aristotle (Logic) to split asunder the hordes of Truthians.

[Snail2]

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

Well, excessive consumption of ergot infested wheat and barley could cause such miracles... mixing with some khat will consummate the experience.

[Spendulus]

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

Well, excessive consumption of ergot infested wheat and barley could cause such miracles... mixing with some khat will consummate the experience.

Indeed.  But think about it.  Almost all "miracles" are long in the past, and no evidence can be brought forth to disprove them.

Here is an opportunity to disprove completely a "miracle" that may be part of the beliefs of a billion people.

The surface of the Moon is so unchanging, footprints by the Apollo astronauts may be visible for millions of years.  If the Moon was split by Mohammed, evidence of that would certainly be there. 

What you have described is only a means by which well intentioned people might honestly believe the saw a miracle, not a post facto proof of the alleged miracle never have occurred.

[erre]

Bitcoin on the moon. That was a miracle 

I can't see it on the maps tough..

[Snail2]

Indeed.  But think about it.  Almost all "miracles" are long in the past, and no evidence can be brought forth to disprove them.

Here is an opportunity to disprove completely a "miracle" that may be part of the beliefs of a billion people.

The surface of the Moon is so unchanging, footprints by the Apollo astronauts may be visible for millions of years.  If the Moon was split by Mohammed, evidence of that would certainly be there. 

What you have described is only a means by which well intentioned people might honestly believe the saw a miracle, not a post facto proof of the alleged miracle never have occurred.

I think a miracle is just yet another natural phenomenon what happened in a very good time for someone with a lot of observers. Most miracles are happened long time ago, indeed as in those times ppl were unable to explain great many natural things. Just send me back to the ancient Sumer (after a good sumerian and akkadian language course) with my current knowledge and if I don't die in gastroenteritis in the first few days (what would be a miracle on it's own) I can pretty much guarantee that I would be the most famous prophet or even god of the age who did miracles everyday . (...and I'd build a freakin' big ziggurat with bitcoin sign shaped layout just to fool the archaeologists .)

[CoolRunnings21]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

Dont forgot it was seen by 2 people and written in the Quran so it must be true!

[Hamuki]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

Dont forgot it was seen by 2 people and written in the Quran so it must be true!

100%

Praised the lord its in the book!

[Spendulus]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

Dont forgot it was seen by 2 people and written in the Quran so it must be true!

But how would they know?  It could have been cracked into 3 or 4 or 5!  If the pieces were on the back side nobody would know!   

<<Seriously, there is no such thing as a large space planet/planetoid "splitting into two."  They are not like a solid, but more like a gigantic rubble heap.    One can split into thousands or millions of pieces, but not into two.  This has been studied with asteroids.

[RodeoX]

This event is no less believable than any other religious claim? It's not like there was a flood, or a garden of Eden, or a parting of the red sea. All religions have stuff like this. They were, after all, from the ancient world when people believed in all sorts of monsters and miracles.

[Hamuki]

So..

The other thread got closed because we kept proving them wrong.

I will make another version of it so it wont be closed and people can talk as they want to here.
(You still have to follow forum rules)

So.. Let me start...

The moon split in two, and was put back together. (Its hard for me to write without cracking up)

What else do we have?

Spark some discussion

~Hamuki

Dont forgot it was seen by 2 people and written in the Quran so it must be true!

But how would they know?  It could have been cracked into 3 or 4 or 5!  If the pieces were on the back side nobody would know!   

<<Seriously, there is no such thing as a large space planet/planetoid "splitting into two."  They are not like a solid, but more like a gigantic rubble heap.    One can split into thousands or millions of pieces, but not into two.  This has been studied with asteroids.

[Hamuki]

This event is no less believable than any other religious claim? It's not like there was a flood, or a garden of Eden, or a parting of the red sea. All religions have stuff like this. They were, after all, from the ancient world when people believed in all sorts of monsters and miracles.

I am not saying that there is any other "supreme" religion.
But yea.. Every religion has its claim of stuff.

[Spendulus]

This event is no less believable than any other religious claim? It's not like there was a flood, or a garden of Eden, or a parting of the red sea. All religions have stuff like this. They were, after all, from the ancient world when people believed in all sorts of monsters and miracles.

But you see, we know there WERE floods.  You can find small sea shells on mountains.  There is an explanation for low waters on "the red sea."

Such "miracles" can be classified into various sorts.  A natural event occurring exactly when it was needed (the red sea).  We can't refute that that happened, can we?

The flood - the natural conclusion from finding shells in high places.  From which a story, then a myth, is derived.

Letard - fifth century France - said to be able to make it rain when he prayed.  Yes his arthritus could have signaled pressure changes and then he went to pray - confusing cause and effect - but we cannot prove or disprove his miracles.
The "Splitting of the Moon" seems to be a unique case, where by way of science and technology we can affirmatively state that it did not happen.

That is why I see it differently than other supposed miracles.

[RodeoX]

This event is no less believable than any other religious claim? It's not like there was a flood, or a garden of Eden, or a parting of the red sea. All religions have stuff like this. They were, after all, from the ancient world when people believed in all sorts of monsters and miracles.

But you see, we know there WERE floods.  You can find small sea shells on mountains.  There is an explanation for low waters on "the red sea."

Such "miracles" can be classified into various sorts.  A natural event occurring exactly when it was needed (the red sea).  We can't refute that that happened, can we?

The flood - the natural conclusion from finding shells in high places.  From which a story, then a myth, is derived.

Letard - fifth century France - said to be able to make it rain when he prayed.  Yes his arthritus could have signaled pressure changes and then he went to pray - confusing cause and effect - but we cannot prove or disprove his miracles.
The "Splitting of the Moon" seems to be a unique case, where by way of science and technology we can affirmatively state that it did not happen.

That is why I see it differently than other supposed miracles.

That makes sense. And it could have been a eclipse or something that was confused with the moon splitting. I suspect the flood story of Noah and the ark also has some roots in a real event. It is clearly derived from the earlier Mesopotamian story "Gilgamesh". Perhaps it is a telling of epic floods in the Tigress Euphrates river valley?

[Spendulus]

This event is no less believable than any other religious claim? It's not like there was a flood, or a garden of Eden, or a parting of the red sea. All religions have stuff like this. They were, after all, from the ancient world when people believed in all sorts of monsters and miracles.

But you see, we know there WERE floods.  You can find small sea shells on mountains.  There is an explanation for low waters on "the red sea."

Such "miracles" can be classified into various sorts.  A natural event occurring exactly when it was needed (the red sea).  We can't refute that that happened, can we?

The flood - the natural conclusion from finding shells in high places.  From which a story, then a myth, is derived.

Letard - fifth century France - said to be able to make it rain when he prayed.  Yes his arthritus could have signaled pressure changes and then he went to pray - confusing cause and effect - but we cannot prove or disprove his miracles.
The "Splitting of the Moon" seems to be a unique case, where by way of science and technology we can affirmatively state that it did not happen.

That is why I see it differently than other supposed miracles.

That makes sense. And it could have been a eclipse or something that was confused with the moon splitting. I suspect the flood story of Noah and the ark also has some roots in a real event. It is clearly derived from the earlier Mesopotamian story "Gilgamesh". Perhaps it is a telling of epic floods in the Tigress Euphrates river valley?

I don't know the history of that area, maybe.  But another easy one would be tales of dragons and monsters in various cultures.  Probably someone had seen dinosaur footprints in a streambed or somewhere, or fossils.  Plausible.

But you see, we have a complete record of eclipses, too.   So if the dates of the supposed event were known, or possibly even the seasons, that can be looked at as causative.