A Christian's response to the Evil found in the Bible

[Prosperityforall]

God the father commands similar atrocities in the old testament; rape, murder..

The lesser of two evils is still evil...

Considering that one of the commandments in the Ten Commandments says to not kill (murder), and another says to not commit adultery (rape would be worse), where (the location in the Bible) does God command, as you say, "similar atrocities in the old testament?" I don't find it.

Thanks.

You clearly did not read your bible. There are a multitude of more commands by god besides the 10 commandments such as those 3 brief ones below.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

" You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)" - This one is particular is often deemed the root cause for the infamous Salem Witch trials in which innocent women were burned at the stake.

"  Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)"
" They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"

"    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"

From that and more, as you can see, God the father in the Old Testament is practically Satan himself. There's no way a good god can command such evilness.

One basic question. Are you justified executing your wild dog (not rabid, just wild) if it will not accept your training, and is harming your peaceful animals?

God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.

How did people become wicked? They listened to and obeyed Satan rather than God.

Nowhere does God justify murder for no right reason.

If your family is being attacked by an attacker who will not stop, and there is no other way to stop him, if you kill him to protect your family, are you not justified? Same thing with God's family versus the family of Satan.

You're not very smart are you...Those are direct commands from god supporting rape, murder, and abuse. There is no justifying it...

But you attempt to justify the evil found in the bible by saying "God owns us, he can do whatever he wants"? Please shut up and get lost. You're so brainwashed and twisted that continuing this conversation is a complete waste of time.

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God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.".

-BADecker

So you ackowledge that God is evil then, because he supports murder...Thanks for admitting that kid. Also, just in case you don't know how to read...God commands the killing of children and babies, who are by default, innocent, not "wicked nations".

Chuckle. I understand that God is very patient with you. Here you are calling Him evil. He doesn't have to answer to anyone, and nobody can withstand Him in the least. But He is patient with all of us. You are about as mixed up as you can get in your present state of knowledge.

Ok, so since you can't argue with any of the evidence I've presented, you resort to this trollyish "wannabe wise" behavior. I think we're done here.

[johnlemon]

are you christian or not?

[Rmcdermott927]

At this point in my life, I have found it wise to not argue with x-tians.  You are never going to convince them that they are wrong because all the proof in the world(about them being wrong) has been in front of their faces their entire life and they have found a way to ignore it.  It will literally make you go insane.   Imagine someone trying to tell you that 1+1=3 and showing them all of the mathematical knowledge that shows 1+1 is actually 2 and having them still not believe you.   It is a strange affliction for certain.

[rigel]

God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he made me god?

[Lauda]

God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he make me god?

FTFY.
Well yes, if he does exist he's very selfish.  OP you should ignore that guy.
Since we're believing in fairy tales from an ancient book, we might as well believe that there is a place on Earth with unicorns  

[Buffer Overflow]

There are lots of violent evils books in the world, some are quite entertaining. That's fine, whatever subject your into. Whatever floats your boat.
However, when people actually start believing them to be true, this is when the problems start.
So yes, read the bible and enjoy the story, but... If you for a microsecond actually start believing it, you must stop, put the book back in your fiction section of your bookshelf and walk away fast. Very fast indeed.

[BADecker]

There are lots of violent evils books in the world, some are quite entertaining. That's fine, whatever subject your into. Whatever floats your boat.
However, when people actually start believing them to be true, this is when the problems start.
So yes, read the bible and enjoy the story, but... If you for a microsecond actually start believing it, you must stop, put the book back in your fiction section of your bookshelf and walk away fast. Very fast indeed.

Now you are talking about inorganic-to-life evolution.   

[BADecker]

God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he make me god?

FTFY.
Well yes, if he does exist he's very selfish.  OP you should ignore that guy.
Since we're believing in fairy tales from an ancient book, we might as well believe that there is a place on Earth with unicorns  

Selfish because...

He gave you life along with multitudes of abilities that you wouldn't have because there is no other way for you to get them or life.

When you decided to block Him out of your life, He faithfully held you alive for a long time hoping that you would turn to Him, the only One who can hold you alive.

When the devil transformed you into one of the damned, He sent His Son to die on a cross in place of you so that you can be saved from death to partake of the glory and joy of the new universe He is preparing for all who accept Him.

He gives you freedom in your life in many ways, yet doesn't give you enough so that you accidentally go out and destroy yourself... even though there are some who commit suicide.

He loves you because He knows how important you are to yourself, and that is part of the thing that keeps you important to Him as well.

... So selfish.

[BADecker]

God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he made me god?

He did make you a god in this life. You have control of many things in a god-like way.

He isn't going to destroy Himself by giving any of us god-like authority over the Essence that He is. Yet, he is offering "Godness" to you for a future time, in the new universe He is creating for all those who accept Him and are on His side.

He is making you to be like God. Get into the New Testament of the Bible and learn to accept Him and everlasting life.

[BADecker]

At this point in my life, I have found it wise to not argue with x-tians.  You are never going to convince them that they are wrong because all the proof in the world(about them being wrong) has been in front of their faces their entire life and they have found a way to ignore it.  It will literally make you go insane.   Imagine someone trying to tell you that 1+1=3 and showing them all of the mathematical knowledge that shows 1+1 is actually 2 and having them still not believe you.   It is a strange affliction for certain.

Quite the contrary. Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't. Don't argue with the Christians. Join them in this life, so that you can join them and God in the new universe God is making for all who believe in Him and are on His side.

[BADecker]

God the father commands similar atrocities in the old testament; rape, murder..

The lesser of two evils is still evil...

Considering that one of the commandments in the Ten Commandments says to not kill (murder), and another says to not commit adultery (rape would be worse), where (the location in the Bible) does God command, as you say, "similar atrocities in the old testament?" I don't find it.

Thanks.

You clearly did not read your bible. There are a multitude of more commands by god besides the 10 commandments such as those 3 brief ones below.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

" You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)" - This one is particular is often deemed the root cause for the infamous Salem Witch trials in which innocent women were burned at the stake.

"  Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)"
" They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"

"    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"

From that and more, as you can see, God the father in the Old Testament is practically Satan himself. There's no way a good god can command such evilness.

One basic question. Are you justified executing your wild dog (not rabid, just wild) if it will not accept your training, and is harming your peaceful animals?

God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.

How did people become wicked? They listened to and obeyed Satan rather than God.

Nowhere does God justify murder for no right reason.

If your family is being attacked by an attacker who will not stop, and there is no other way to stop him, if you kill him to protect your family, are you not justified? Same thing with God's family versus the family of Satan.

You're not very smart are you...Those are direct commands from god supporting rape, murder, and abuse. There is no justifying it...

But you attempt to justify the evil found in the bible by saying "God owns us, he can do whatever he wants"? Please shut up and get lost. You're so brainwashed and twisted that continuing this conversation is a complete waste of time.

"
God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.".

-BADecker

So you ackowledge that God is evil then, because he supports murder...Thanks for admitting that kid. Also, just in case you don't know how to read...God commands the killing of children and babies, who are by default, innocent, not "wicked nations".

Chuckle. I understand that God is very patient with you. Here you are calling Him evil. He doesn't have to answer to anyone, and nobody can withstand Him in the least. But He is patient with all of us. You are about as mixed up as you can get in your present state of knowledge.

Ok, so since you can't argue with any of the evidence I've presented, you resort to this trollyish "wannabe wise" behavior. I think we're done here.

Since you want to argue, why should there be any more talk between us. The forum is for presenting points, not for argument. But you will probably want to argue about this as well.

[Buffer Overflow]

Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand have a shaky theory where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't.

FTFY

You angry Christians are funny.

[BADecker]

Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand have a shaky theory where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't.

FTFY

You angry Christians are funny.

Indeed, the angry Christians should curb their anger.   

[Buffer Overflow]

Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand have a shaky theory where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't.

FTFY

You angry Christians are funny.

Indeed, the angry Christians should curb their anger.   

Best just curb the religion completely. They will then be free and happy without the chains.

[RodeoX]

The Bible is not evil. It is full of practical advice on things like raising kids.

“This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.

welcome to Rome 200 A.D.

[cooldgamer]

They're mentally ill, there is no way around it.  At least they believe their god will take care of it so they don't try to do it themselves, and it gives them /some/ sort of morals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/25/phil-robertson-atheist-rape_n_6936662.html

[Rmcdermott927]

At this point in my life, I have found it wise to not argue with x-tians.  You are never going to convince them that they are wrong because all the proof in the world(about them being wrong) has been in front of their faces their entire life and they have found a way to ignore it.  It will literally make you go insane.   Imagine someone trying to tell you that 1+1=3 and showing them all of the mathematical knowledge that shows 1+1 is actually 2 and having them still not believe you.   It is a strange affliction for certain.

Quite the contrary. Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't. Don't argue with the Christians. Join them in this life, so that you can join them and God in the new universe God is making for all who believe in Him and are on His side.

First of all, they don't "understand" where the whole universe came from because they have polluted their brain with false knowledge from a book of lies.  The blindly believe things to be true that have not been proven to actually be true.   That's why atheists don't KNOW where the universe came from.   They have quite a few theories based on hard scientific evidence that will remain theories until the are proven or disproved.    Atheism is a path to knowledge and progress. 

[Lauda]

Selfish because...

He gave you life along with multitudes of abilities that you wouldn't have because there is no other way for you to get them or life.

When you decided to block Him out of your life, He faithfully held you alive for a long time hoping that you would turn to Him, the only One who can hold you alive.

When the devil transformed you into one of the damned, He sent His Son to die on a cross in place of you so that you can be saved from death to partake of the glory and joy of the new universe He is preparing for all who accept Him.

He gives you freedom in your life in many ways, yet doesn't give you enough so that you accidentally go out and destroy yourself... even though there are some who commit suicide.

He loves you because He knows how important you are to yourself, and that is part of the thing that keeps you important to Him as well.

... So selfish.

Yes, he also gave the life to multiple children and let their parents abuse them and rape them. That's totally not selfish.
He did not give me life. You're trying to say that he's the one keep me alive? Well that's just ignorant.
I wasn't transformed into one of the damned because I didn't live at that time, unless you think I'm an alien.

The Bible is not evil. It is full of practical advice on things like raising kids.

“This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.

welcome to Rome 200 A.D.

Yes. I also like the one where your daughter has to marry her rapist.

[Vod]

Yes. I also like the one where your daughter has to marry her rapist.

I think you'll find most cult members like BADecker tend to ignore the parts of the bible that make them look bad, like that one. 

[Lauda]

Yes. I also like the one where your daughter has to marry her rapist.

I think you'll find most cult members like BADecker tend to ignore the parts of the bible that make them look bad, like that one. 

Indeed. These blind followers usually just accepts what they see fit.
They ignore stuff that doesn't go with it. Even though we've pointed out flaws several times in the other thread, they seem to disregard them and talk about other things.