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May 08, 2015, 05:45:05 AM
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TL;DR version?
Thread is thinly veiled speculation post and doesn't belong here.

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May 08, 2015, 05:50:07 AM
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I have wisdom to share: This is originally a line from Buckaroo Banzai Across The Eigth Dimension:

"No matter where you go, there you are."

You, with money, are the same person as you, without money.  Having money may change the way you live, but get over the idea that it will change you.  It won't.  If you expect it to, you'll waste a lot of time trying to figure out who you are.  And if you do shit you don't like or aren't good at, expecting that you will like it or be good at it now that you have money, you're being dumb.  If you're unhappy without money, you'll probably be unhappy with money.  If you can't form stable relationships because you don't value other people enough, you'll still have that problem when you have money.  etc.  

So, long-story-short: money is a tool, not an aspect of identity.



Nice, well said.

However, most people tend to think/say that money doesn't bring happiness.
Happiness is a state of mind, so it depends on a person's character, not their pockets.

That being said, NOT having (enough) money to be able to cope with your responsibilities, creates health issues and unhappiness.
So does money bring happiness?

Personally I would rather cry in a mansion  Wink

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May 08, 2015, 06:00:33 AM
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Bubble? What bubble... It was the Willy bot doing it's thing.  Wink

It would be the biggest mistake to not spread the word about Bitcoin... The more people who know about Bitcoin, the higher the demand for it.. the higher the demand, the higher the price.

Let's rather grow the currency in a natural way {without a Willy Bot} and increase the demand for a more stable price over the long term.

The OP should learn to share with others, who are willing to try. {PayItForward my friend} 

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May 08, 2015, 06:18:00 AM
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Bubble? What bubble... It was the Willy bot doing it's thing.  Wink

It would be the biggest mistake to not spread the word about Bitcoin... The more people who know about Bitcoin, the higher the demand for it.. the higher the demand, the higher the price.

Let's rather grow the currency in a natural way {without a Willy Bot} and increase the demand for a more stable price over the long term.

The OP should learn to share with others, who are willing to try. {PayItForward my friend} 

Read this: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-richard-wyckoff-stock-trading-method-2013-2?op=1&IR=T

Then you will know how price get's manipulated and why.

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May 08, 2015, 06:58:21 AM
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Bubble? What bubble... It was the Willy bot doing it's thing.  Wink

It would be the biggest mistake to not spread the word about Bitcoin... The more people who know about Bitcoin, the higher the demand for it.. the higher the demand, the higher the price.

Let's rather grow the currency in a natural way {without a Willy Bot} and increase the demand for a more stable price over the long term.

The OP should learn to share with others, who are willing to try. {PayItForward my friend} 

manipulation will always be there, it does not matter if you we want the price to increase in a natural way, or if the higher demand will accomplished this, by its own

but with a higher market cap, the manipulation would impact much less the market, that's for sure
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May 08, 2015, 07:11:51 AM
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Cheers American Pegasus!
I'm on the boat with you.
Very good read.

The BTC storage and the NO part were already my main worries!

Thanks for sharing this.

You made my coffee time even more enjoyable.

I'm gonna buy more...and I'm not talking about coffee

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May 08, 2015, 07:23:23 AM
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If I remember correctly, I saw few posts like this before the last super spike in October 2013. I was not a member of the forum then. Is it the case that some people can sense the wave coming ?
I wasn't here back then, but I bet it's more of a selective memory type of thing. You tend to forget the 1000s of wrong predictions/bad timing, and remember the ones that were right. There are always people screaming next bubble is coming or cash out now bitcoin's gonna go to 0. And whatever happens, we just remember the correct predictions.

I am not talking about the thousands of trolls speculating about bitcoin upward or downward. This certain post pattern is a class apart than the rest and seasoned eyes can recognize it. It is not a typical school boy post or lousy words of an unsatisfied individual. It is coming from a seasoned individual who has seen ups & downs of life. And this type of posts are rare...

It's not like this is that big of a stretch in a prediction. He is talking about 2017/2018.

It is very likely that the price will rise in much the same as the last halving. The next halving is toward the end of 2016. After the last halving it took about 4-5 months to go from $12 to $266. It is not unreasonable to say that the next halving will have a similar response.

There is also a good feeling that the price has stopped falling. Not that the price is about to shoot up but most likely we have seen the bottom, which is encouraging.

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If I remember correctly, I saw few posts like this before the last super spike in October 2013. I was not a member of the forum then. Is it the case that some people can sense the wave coming ?
I wasn't here back then, but I bet it's more of a selective memory type of thing. You tend to forget the 1000s of wrong predictions/bad timing, and remember the ones that were right. There are always people screaming next bubble is coming or cash out now bitcoin's gonna go to 0. And whatever happens, we just remember the correct predictions.

I am not talking about the thousands of trolls speculating about bitcoin upward or downward. This certain post pattern is a class apart than the rest and seasoned eyes can recognize it. It is not a typical school boy post or lousy words of an unsatisfied individual. It is coming from a seasoned individual who has seen ups & downs of life. And this type of posts are rare...

It's not like this is that big of a stretch in a prediction. He is talking about 2017/2018.

It is very likely that the price will rise in much the same as the last halving. The next halving is toward the end of 2016. After the last halving it took about 4-5 months to go from $12 to $266. It is not unreasonable to say that the next halving will have a similar response.

There is also a good feeling that the price has stopped falling. Not that the price is about to shoot up but most likely we have seen the bottom, which is encouraging.

That is true, however one can never know what the future might bring.
Don't forget that anything is possible in the Bitcoin world.

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May 12, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
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nice and helpful post. thanks to writer.
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nice and helpful post. thanks to writer.

Sorry but I need to ask this:

How comes a newbie registered but 3 days ago has 28 activity?
You can only get 14 activity points every 2 weeks.

Also, not that it matters much but all your posts are one liners too.


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May 12, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
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nice and helpful post. thanks to writer.

Sorry but I need to ask this:

How comes a newbie registered but 3 days ago has 28 activity?
You can only get 14 activity points every 2 weeks.

Also, not that it matters much but all your posts are one liners too.


This happened to me when I first joined. It seemed like my posting and activity stayed on par w/ each other up to a certain point. It's been so long that I can't remember when the normal 14 activity per 2 weeks happened.
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May 12, 2015, 05:19:37 PM
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OP must have a ton of bitcoin that hes not willing to sell for any less than a few thousand, good for him Smiley

hodlers will have to stay strong if they want the big money.
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May 12, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
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As we have conclusively demonstrated through Pegafractal Cryptograph Currency Conjecture there is another bubble coming.  
  


It's peak?  I can't accurately predict, but I can say this: If we had been asked to predict the peak of the 2013 bubble while bitcoin languished in $2 purgatory years ago, what figure might we have guessed?  Likely, our pathetic guesstimate would have fallen way short of the truth.  I am confident that most of us asked to predict the peak of the 2017/2018 bubble would also fail spectacularly.    
  
So we can't predict the  exact peak of our next bubble, but we know it will shock.   That means the time to take care of a few delicate issues is now, not when bitcoin begins to explode upward to prices we can't fathom.  
  

 
Physical Security:  
  
This one applies mainly to exchanges.  A "cold storage" vault isn't going to help you if some truly bad guys roll up with hardware and start doing nefarious things to get access.  Do not doubt that such people exist for the right amount of money.  
  
Places like Circle and Coinbase HQ need to be a bank-level fortress, and this needs to be a well advertised fact.  
  
For users: if you don't own the private keys, you don't own the bitcoin.  I enjoy the convenience that bitcoin 'banks' like Coinbase offer, but I will be splitting my coins into three soon: some held entirely by Coinbase, some in multi-sig, and some entirely in cold storage.  
  
Shut Up:  
  
OK, by now you told everyone and their cousin about this great new bitcoin thing.  
  
Now stop talking about bitcoin club, if you value your safety or personal relationships at all.  
  
I was born into the lowest American poverty and have clawed my way up to upper-middle class.  I don't have much money, but I live comfortably.  I don't do the same trailer park type shit I did as a kid.  
  
However, if you ask many of my family and friends back at home, "I've lost my way" and "I've forgotten where I'm from".  I am seen as 'wealthy' by them because I can afford luxuries that are totally outside their realm of existence.  
  
And they hate it.   They hate the success (even though this isn't really success) because it makes them feel useless and weak.  As Kat Williams said, they don't hate you; they hate good shit.  Good shit didn't happen to them, and now they're mad.  
  
Imagine how much more drastic this effect will be when your bitcoins are suddenly worth 500x what they are now, and it's ALL OVER THE NEWS (and it will be).  
  
Learn how to say "No" now:  
  
Get that fantasy world out of your head where everyone likes you because you were a bitcoin visionary.  People are gonna hate you.  
  
You are gonna learn exactly what Steve Martin feels like in The Jerk when every Facebook friend of yours suddenly feels entitled to 'just a little bit'....  After all, "you have so much now.  Don't be stingy!"  
  
If you really believe bitcoin is moon-bound, don't just shut up about it- learn to stand up for yourself.  
  
Learn  how to say "No," now and mean it.  Someone wants you to drive an hour out of the way to save them 15 minutes?  "No."  Some girl wants you to buy her a drink?  "No."  Some guy at the mall wants to talk to you about... "No."  
  
Practice telling people 'no' so that when they come knocking for money, you have no problems telling them to get lost.  You gave them the secret already and they didn't think it was worth the risk; you did.  You can't be responsible for other people's lives, or you will find your own reduced to an empty shell.  
  
 
Review the history that will repeat itself:  
  
Bitcoin Talk is full of valuable threads from the rise of the last bubble.  Trolls were screaming in disbelief, and genuine users were stunned, not sure if they should sell any coins on the way up.  
  
Engage in Perfect Decision Theory now (hello little basilisk) and decide what you will do now so that you don't panic and do something regretful in a moment of emotional panic.  
  
Find a Purpose:  
  
You're gonna be rich one day.  Great.  So that's off your list.  
  
What next?  
  
Figure out something else.  Stop sitting around watching price charts all day.   It'll happen.  Either build the bitcoin universe with the rest of us, or go do something else significant.  
  
You will find very quickly that money by itself isn't satisfying.  Anyone who has inherited a windfall knows this: for a brief period your happiness levels are on overload, and life is incredible...  But then your brain slowly adjusts to your new life.  
  
And if you suck at getting a girlfriend/boyfriend then money isn't going to change that; you're just going to have a new class of gold-diggers available to you.  If you are depressed, money isn't going to change that.  You're just going to have a new class of pills available to you.   If you...  
  
See where this is going?  And I'm not gonna be cliche and say that money can't buy happiness.  That's only partially true.  
  
Money can buy opportunities  for happiness, but you have to be already emotionally wealthy or these won't be satisfying.  
  
You need to have a passion and project, because the emotional rewards from admiring something you've helped create never go away.  
  


  
Just some things to think about during our long winter before the next bubble.  
  
Feel free to add your own, especially if you've lived through one of these violent bitcoin movements as a HODL'er.

Definately worth a full quote!
Man you are so right. Especially the last part!
americanpegasus is one of the guys I really would like to have talk with while drinking a beer together.
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May 12, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
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nice post. this is the best I have read. right on about most stuff. and thanks for the bitcoin halving, I never heard of it.

One thing I will bring up is the priv key. you right if you let your money stay on coinbase(I used to) then you dont own bitcoin. in my opinion paper(encrypted with aes 256 gcm) is the only way to go, and just leave spending money on coinbase
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May 12, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
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nice post. this is the best I have read. right on about most stuff. and thanks for the bitcoin halving, I never heard of it.

One thing I will bring up is the priv key. you right if you let your money stay on coinbase(I used to) then you dont own bitcoin. in my opinion paper(encrypted with aes 256 gcm) is the only way to go, and just leave spending money on coinbase
If you never heard of halving there is website you may find interesting: http://bitcoinclock.com/ It is dedicated timer and it shows exactly when next halvings will take place.
For now, next halving: Reward-Drop ETA: 2016-07-29 04:45:58 UTC (63 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes) When this change will hit bitcoin, price will go dramatically up.
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July 05, 2017, 01:51:05 AM
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This should be a sticky Smiley this is great Cheesy

To me, investing in Bitcoin or Ethereum now is like buying a lottery ticket. The same rules would apply if you hit the jackpot; you need somewhere to store your wealth, the ability to resist the hordes of beggars that will come your way, and a purpose in life so you don't squander your new found wealth. But while lottery tickets have no resale value, bitcoins and altcoins are good as cash, if you can convert them.

If you would every buy a lottery ticket, buy some bitcoin. You have much, much better chances to make a return on investment.
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