Nxt and the rise to the top.

[EvilDave]

Good try, B, but you'd be wrong on most points.

How can you even have an scary and intimidating crypto platform ? Does NXT come round your house with a couple of pitbulls ?
Enormously complex, tens of thousands of sources, years of study ?.......come on, it's not that difficult.
And you don't need a ten-foot pole either.......

If you want to know about NXT......just go to the forum, d/l the latest version, install and use it.
https://nxtforum.org/

If you have any questions after that, just ask.

Or, you could take a look at one of the latest NXT-related projects:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713
bring your pole........

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[Sebastien256]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713

This is related to a Nxt project going on? What this is about? Nxt is not mention at all in the article except from the artwork picture.

[EvilDave]

Take a look here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Main_Page
and then here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

The Drachmae project is currently a blue-sky project/proposal being put together by a loose coalition of crypto projects, businesses and VCs, to create a framework for a blockchain/crypto-based solution to Greeces current economic problems. The next meeting/seminar on the project is here:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

[barabbas]

Good try, B, but you'd be wrong on most points.

How can you even have an scary and intimidating crypto platform ? Does NXT come round your house with a couple of pitbulls ?
Enormously complex, tens of thousands of sources, years of study ?.......come on, it's not that difficult.
And you don't need a ten-foot pole either.......

If you want to know about NXT......just go to the forum, d/l the latest version, install and use it.
https://nxtforum.org/

If you have any questions after that, just ask.

Or, you could take a look at one of the latest NXT-related projects:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713
bring your pole........

Except that it doesn't work on most exchanges, for example. Except that there are so many things going on, like those hundreds of "assets" (I'm trying to launch the hairs of my butt as significant asset in the AE, maybe it'll take off... since many more absurd things are being currently offered and many more have proven already to be scams outright), like the supernet, like the ever growing amount of James' "assets"/holdings. Te list goes on and on and on. Mind you, I LOVE the platform, I believe it is far and away the best, most complete platform in crypto, but there's no denial of the distribution problem no matter how you choose to look at it, and there's, obviously, the intimidation factor. There's NOTHING simple -like you pretend- about NXT. Least of it, the coin itself ("use it" in what? other than jerking yourself off buying so called "assets" it has no practical, actual use whatsoever... that I know of (maybe you can illustrate me). Now, why don't you ask people, ANY regular people -including those connected with the crypto world, what exactly is NXT, how much you can "stake" (by any other name too) in terms of % and what usage you can have for the coin? You will find the answer illuminating, I'm sure. And have you checked the forum/s lately. Imagine one individual wanting to learn about NXT now having to go through hundreds upon hundreds of pages here, it the nxt forum, at wikipedia and at one of the seemingly millions of "specialized info" pages. Just how long do you think a regular person will need to have even a remote grasp of what to do to invest in NXT and sell his record collection, for instance, on the platform. Or how to create and offer an "asset" in the exchange? I believe you can e accepted at NASA way easier than it is to even come to minimal terms with what NXT is already (and growing seemingly exponentially... while getting halved in price every few weeks.
You, of course, are an expert. I am sure you can do much better that download, install, use. Because download, install and use it, simply doesnt work, so start from scratch and tell regular Joe how to use the wallet once downloaded. Then explain to him how he has (or not) the alternative of having an online wallet (no bloated chain) online. And take it from there. Tell "Joe" what actually he can do with the NXT that he may purchase and tell him, if he holds ANY other wallet, which of those is simpler to use, any-other-wallet or NXT's. Then call my exaggerated, if in fact I am and that it is not intimidating a project which is less than 2 years old and has elicited more literature already than the conquest of space (fiction and science-fiction included).

[barabbas]

Take a look here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Main_Page
and then here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

The Drachmae project is currently a blue-sky project/proposal being put together by a loose coalition of crypto projects, businesses and VCs, to create a framework for a blockchain/crypto-based solution to Greeces current economic problems. The next meeting/seminar on the project is here:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

This is just typical mumbo-jumbo, of course Dave. What "solution to Greece's problems" are you talking about? NOTHING emanating from crypto can ever be a "solution to Greece's problems", ok? It's a bankrupt economy and they can use as currency anything they choose but nothing will solve the problem of lack of money, ok. You declare bankruptcy, your creditors either let you go on loosening their grip you they will eventually get repaid or just stop payments altogether and you pay the consequences. Then you can use crypto as currency, leaves, stones of whatever else you choose but none of those currencies will "solve your problems", ok?

[EvilDave]

Sheesh, B. Cast your eyes over here:
https://twitter.com/BKBrianKelly

This isn't just me making stuff up on a boring Saturday night, this project has serious backing from outside the crypto world.
It may never provide an ultimate solution to Greeces issues, but a lot of interesting stuff could happen.
Come on over to the seminar, if you get some spare time, and see exactly who's involved.
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

[barabbas]

Sheesh, B. Cast your eyes over here:
https://twitter.com/BKBrianKelly

This isn't just me making stuff up on a boring Saturday night, this project has serious backing from outside the crypto world.
It may never provide an ultimate solution to Greeces issues, but a lot of interesting stuff could happen.
Come on over to the seminar, if you get some spare time, and see exactly who's involved.
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

Already answered on the other thread...

To put anything Brian Kelly writes, or attempts, as a "solution" to anything is akin to put Kim Kardhasian as an example of discretion and humility, ok?

You DO know he is the guy who used his knowledge and experience to create Nautilus, right, one of the biggest if not the biggest failures on crypto's brief history, right?

[Armis]

When Liberland indicated a willingness to consider crypto currency as a favored currency, NXT as a community snubbed it.

Yet, Greece who is not only in deep financial trouble, not just with it's own economy and fiat (euro) but also dragging down their European Union nation partners and backers, is a serious consideration for our attention?  As indicated in the conference, no single crypto currency platform could handle Greece, and even if you combine forces and segment tasks it would still be a massive undertaking.  But the huge question is why would you do it?  Greece has already indicated by the will of the people that they have no meaningful intention on being dragged down by debt, they only want forgiveness not any fancy scheme to keep them underfoot by other countries.

If NXT is going down in value the objective should be to do things to preserve value so that those who are not in it for academic, technical, or cool-factor reasons could limit their losses or perhaps make some money.

Although the Greece thing is a real conversation I don't feel it is a productive one for the NXT community.  When I look at the Greece situation I see it as a massively larger version of the very best country name coins.  The nationals won't understand it so the value in all of the involved CC will be bleed dry as they migrate to fiat.  

Another conversation taking place, albeit a tiny one is about PICISI, a crowdfunding site that will accept fiat and cryptocurrency for campaigns raising funds at the site.  PICISI (via me) recently created Pi on the NXT MS platform.  

PICISI was created to attract everyday people (non-CC users) to the site to see what they expect in a crowdfunding site plus far more opportunities.  At PICISI people will be able to collect donations in fiat AND CC, their campaigns could get different kinds of sponsorship funding, and they are also able to use their CC to spend on services provided by independent contractors at the site to help them develop or promote their campaign.

Literally BILLIONS of dollars pass through kickstarter and indiegogo each year if either one of them simply allowed CC to be collected it would be a major break through for the CC universe.  When PICISI enters the scene it will apply pressure on the competition to bring CC to their respective platforms or get left in tech wind.

Oh, btw, the funds that PICISI collects in fiat fees will be used to 'rebuy' Pi (PICISI issued currency) at the exchanges at prevailing rates.  If we have an official exchange sponsors we will buy Pi there exclusively.  That 'rebuy' plan preserves the long-term value of Pi.  

Granted that the PICISI project pales by comparison in every way to the Greece project, but the PICISI project will do something that the Greece project will never do even if it gets off the ground and is a success -- make money.   PICISI will make money for the campaigns (every campaign will get some funding), contractors, and investors.

Liberland could put NXT one the literal map, THAT should be a major project for NXT and or the consortium of CCs.

[tokeweed]

Are the NXT people in contact with the officials of Greece?  I think that should be the first step.

[EvilDave]

When Liberland indicated a willingness to consider crypto currency as a favored currency, NXT as a community snubbed it.....
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Hah....found the NXT thread on Liberland, after a bit of searching:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/urgent-why-no-body-is-voting-fot-nxt-as-official-liberland-%27-currency/
Think I was having  a little break from  crypto at the time, I hardly even noticed it up until now.
Someone should maybe have a chat directly to the Liberland guys, whoever they may be. See how they are shaping up.
Or we could just push NEM up for the job......

Seriously, the Liberland proposal could maybe work, but no-one seems to be willing to step up and take lead on getting it sorted, which is probably the main reason it went nowhere with NXT. Hosting the poll on F*c*book didn't help either.

On the Greek rescue plan: this is an extremely ambitious project, to say the least.
I'm not exactly expecting the entire European financial world to drop to their knees and say "YAY, crypto, that's the answer!"
and then go down the pub while we sort out Greece......but just getting a coherent outline proposal using blockchain tech from vatious sources will be a very useful exercise, even if nothing else comes out of it.
Right now, it looks like a slightly mad plan, even from my point of view, but there are quite a few non-crypto organisations who are interested.....and anything that brings crypto to the attention of the mainstream in a positive way is worth giving a shot.

Next step is Conference number 2 on the subject, May 20th:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

Maybe someone will invite some Greeks to come along...
and Armis can bring PICISI along for some networking and discussion of MS currency integration on exchanges/brokers:
http://nxter.org/picisi-crowdfunding-project-will-use-nxt-monetary-system/

[Armis]

When Liberland indicated a willingness to consider crypto currency as a favored currency, NXT as a community snubbed it.....
---cut bits---

Hah....found the NXT thread on Liberland, after a bit of searching:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/urgent-why-no-body-is-voting-fot-nxt-as-official-liberland-%27-currency/
Think I was having  a little break from  crypto at the time, I hardly even noticed it up until now.
Someone should maybe have a chat directly to the Liberland guys, whoever they may be. See how they are shaping up.
Or we could just push NEM up for the job......

Seriously, the Liberland proposal could maybe work, but no-one seems to be willing to step up and take lead on getting it sorted, which is probably the main reason it went nowhere with NXT. Hosting the poll on F*c*book didn't help either.

On the Greek rescue plan: this is an extremely ambitious project, to say the least.
I'm not exactly expecting the entire European financial world to drop to their knees and say "YAY, crypto, that's the answer!"
and then go down the pub while we sort out Greece......but just getting a coherent outline proposal using blockchain tech from vatious sources will be a very useful exercise, even if nothing else comes out of it.
Right now, it looks like a slightly mad plan, even from my point of view, but there are quite a few non-crypto organisations who are interested.....and anything that brings crypto to the attention of the mainstream in a positive way is worth giving a shot.

Next step is Conference number 2 on the subject, May 20th:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

Maybe someone will invite some Greeks to come along...
and Armis can bring PICISI along for some networking and discussion of MS currency integration on exchanges/brokers:
http://nxter.org/picisi-crowdfunding-project-will-use-nxt-monetary-system/

EvilDave, thanks for your support I will certainly look into http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/, the mind the gap videos were very informative, not only for the factual content but also that additional dimension that comes with "live" presentations. 

PICISI needs admins, so if you know of anyone that wants to work in that direction please let me know, it's a thankful job that everyone should try.

[criptix]

The price seems to be on one long downward trend. Doesn't make sense.

Yes, that's pretty odd. NXT getting more and more features, more and more value/investment but it still in downtrend. I guess it's happening because of it's pegged to BTC and BTC is also bearish.

Altcoins usually tend to follow Bitcoin's price trend but in a much more exaggerated manner (since they signify more risk). Litecoin is another example of a coin that lost value a lot more than Bitcoin. Also remember that NXT experienced two bubbles/spikes in 2014 - the first one happened at around the beginning of the year and the second one happened at around June when the price shot up to over 10 cents. Usually these types of bubbles aren't sustainable, and so you would expect to see the price decline from the ATH. The exact same thing happened to BitShares and Darkcoin too.

The price of NXT has slumped and being dumped to 1/3 it's recent highs a few months ago. FACT. Yes, to every metric, the platform is as successful as it can be given the time span, and growing significantly: The definition of success... what's wrong with this picture? The ghost of the initial distribution, of course, is a clear influence -and, no doubt, the source of the dumping, elaborate but relentless- but, mostly, that NEXT is an intimidating, enormously complex project/platform. One would have to study it, through the tens of thousands of sources available, for YEARS to really get an understanding of what it is, what it does, what it can do, who is doing it and how the whole thing works and, supposedly, will continue to work. All without any single responsible (legally) institutions or real names behind it. Needless to say it, all of this is scary enough to have most people in crypto -and absolutely everyone outside of crypto- not wanting to touch it with a ten feet pole.

I doubt an average individual with computer science background would need more then a month to fully understand the main parts of nxt.

But well barabbas is a retired actor.
He has neither experience nor knowledge about computer science, infrastructure and software development.

It is like talking about QM or GRT with a kindergarten teacher. They would take years/decades too ( prolly even more )...

[altcoinUK]

Are the NXT people in contact with the officials of Greece?  I think that should be the first step.

The probability that NXT provides Greece with any kind of solution about anything is lot less than Aphrodite will jerk off Pericles on the Acropolis front of the excited Leonidas, which event's probability is rather small knowing that the two aforementioned gentlemen are dead and the woman probably never ever existed.

I have debates with the NXT hardcore cheerleaders all over the place about NXT which used by absolutely nobody except the funders who dump the thing on the naive new investors. For that reason, the hype must go on  by coming up with all kind of nonsenses like this Greece bollocks - so the funders of the coin can keep continue dumping this entirely useless thing.

First, NXT perhaps should answer the generic problem of all altcoins: why no one is using altcoins at all for any meaningful purposes?

[altcoinUK]

I doubt an average individual with computer science background ...

Well, in the fantasy world of NXT cheerleaders (as your post indicates it) that doesn't even matter ... so you can discredit anyone based on talking about "background".  

Having a computer science background I wrote my first program probably well before the average NXT Java/HTML5 developer and fan-boy even born, but of course the NXT hypemaker cheerleader brigade first argument in a debate is that I don't have the background to understand what the self thought so called "programmers" like  the wanker James jl777 check in Github. It is always convenient in a debate to talk about backgrounds, without knowing the background: it can redirect the conversation from the important topics.

[Armis]

Are the NXT people in contact with the officials of Greece?  I think that should be the first step.

It seems to me that the intent of the committee is to create a viable solution to present.  It doesn't seem that there is a hot or warm lead to work with, my guess is if they come up with something they will be going in cold.

[criptix]

I doubt an average individual with computer science background ...

Well, in the fantasy world of NXT cheerleaders (as your post indicates it) that doesn't even matter ... so you can discredit anyone based on talking about "background". 

Having a computer science background I wrote my first program probably well before the average NXT Java/HTML5 developer and fan-boy even born, but of course the NXT hypemaker cheerleader brigade first argument in a debate is that I don't have the background to understand what the self thought so called "programmers" like  the wanker James jl777 check in Github. It is always convenient in a debate to talk about backgrounds, without knowing the background: it can redirect the conversation from the important topics.

Ah, altcoinUK is back after a month

1. Please point out where i do some cheerleading for NXT.

2. Every 10 year without computer science background can code a website, so stop being proud of it 

3. You dont have any coding/software development knowledge either, i can strongly remember that you once wrote so much technical bullshit that i though i would get brain cancer just from reading it. I will dig it out and repost it here for everyone to see.

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4. Did you check jl777's github?

[EvilDave]

Are the NXT people in contact with the officials of Greece?  I think that should be the first step.

The probability that NXT provides Greece with any kind of solution about anything is lot less than Aphrodite will jerk off Pericles on the Acropolis front of the excited Leonidas, which event's probability is rather small knowing that the two aforementioned gentlemen are dead and the woman probably never ever existed.

I have debate with the NXT hardcore cheerleaders all over the place about NXT which used by absolutely nobody except the funders who dump the thing on the naive new investors. For that reason, the hype must go on  by coming up all kind of nonsenses like this Greece bollocks - so the funders of the coin can keep continue dumping this entirely useless thing.

First, NXT perhaps should answer the generic problem of all altcoins: why no one is using altcoins at all for any meaningful purposes?

First off, The Drachmae project isn't all about NXT, check the Wiki:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

NXT could be an important component, but there is no way that it can supply everything needed. Thats why the project is open to anyone with good ideas or useful tech, like Factom, Ethereum, Blackcoin/Halo, JetCoin.....if you have something to contribute, bring it on.

How in the name of Hades can you bitch us up for presenting a real world usecase for altcoins, and then ask why no-ones using alts ?
Is engaging with the European financial, business and political worlds not 'meaningful' enough for you ?

Any road up....if you need to vent more, comment here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713

[altcoinUK]

I doubt an average individual with computer science background ...

Well, in the fantasy world of NXT cheerleaders (as your post indicates it) that doesn't even matter ... so you can discredit anyone based on talking about "background". 

Having a computer science background I wrote my first program probably well before the average NXT Java/HTML5 developer and fan-boy even born, but of course the NXT hypemaker cheerleader brigade first argument in a debate is that I don't have the background to understand what the self thought so called "programmers" like  the wanker James jl777 check in Github. It is always convenient in a debate to talk about backgrounds, without knowing the background: it can redirect the conversation from the important topics.

Ah, altcoinUK is back after a month

1. Please point out where i do some cheerleading for NXT.

2. Every 10 year without computer science background can code a website, so stop being proud of it 

3. You dont have any coding/software development knowledge either, i can strongly remember that you once wrote so much technical bullshit that i though i would get brain cancer just from reading it. I will dig it out and repost it here for everyone to see.

*edit
4. Did you check jl777's github?

Ohhhh boy... digging in altcoinUK's posts. What a clown you are.

You don't have to dig you clown, I talk about software development all over the places, here about ARM firmware programming - I am sure you are familiar with that too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=761852.msg9608386#msg9608386

Shall we discuss after the the wanker NXT scammer Jamess jl777 Github C code check-ins, and the quality of that code?

It's amazing guys, that you teach yourself to compile some spaghetti code based on tutorials from the Net and after you believe in your on BS and you think you are a programmer.

[altcoinUK]

First off, The Drachmae project isn't all about NXT, check the Wiki:

Thanks for that info. The European Central Bank is a lot less worried right now that the Drachmae project isn't all about NXT.

NXT could be an important component, but there is no way that it can supply everything needed.

I think you should be more ambitious than that. Based on the average NXT cheerleader post my understanding was that apart from solving the Greek economic crisis, you can cure cancer as well as fix the climate change issue using NXT.

As for the use case, you have not provided any viable use cases for that digital excrement NXT that used no one apart from the funders that dump it on the market.

[criptix]

good dodging of my questions

it is ok though, i know that well from you.

lets get to the facts:

1. your post could be made by a 10 minutes google search - there is nothing of substance which would qualify that you have knowledge.

2. allright, please show and describe us what you picture as spaghetti code in jl777's github - as a bonus you could explain how you would code it differently and why.