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September 03, 2012, 10:10:19 AM
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I am borrowing 10 btc from tenakha, returning him 11.5 in a maximum of 5 days.

Deposit address: 12YMeH317K2Qjon77mhe9topnSDWCebh7y
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September 03, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Last edit: July 01, 2017, 11:39:01 AM by tenakha
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I am borrowing 10 btc from tenakha, returning him 11.5 in a maximum of 5 days.

Deposit address: 12YMeH317K2Qjon77mhe9topnSDWCebh7y

10 BTC sent to curiousone as per terms above.


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September 03, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
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I just wanted to give mad props to somebody!

I am nobody and have less the .30000000btc

Somebody was honest and asked for a small .01btc loan so they could come up again,
and somebody joked about him losing it on S******dice or gambling it away.

I am still learning so I documented everything like a corporation loan, was just learning how to pay people from my wallet. He answered a couple of questions of mine after I forgot to see the part were he didn't want to HAVE to answer questions, anyways It took me a couple hours figuring out how to do it, Finally I did it! SO I let him know. We chatted for a bit and he said he would pay me down the road sometime. WITH 72 Hours I GOT THE EMAIL LETTING ME KNOW HE REPAID THE LOAN! A perfect stranger asked for basically nothing but, to me, it was something, and not monetary, Principle. So, I would rather loan somebody I don't know a small amount and not get it back then to loan some ass I already now and have to listen to why they ain't/can't/won't now was going to pay it back.

I sure could use some money, but I can't borrow it, cause I am not sure I or even if I could pay it back. I am doing my best just living a simple life and working my ass off. But if Things get going, it is good to know that good folks out there are doing something, and mad props to all the people who are generous enough to loan doer's funds!

*I figured out how to not get mad when friends don't payback. #1 Don't loan somebody more money than they can afford to pay back, if you loan more than they can afford to pay it back reasonably, sure are an ass and should be in there position, hopefully you will die soon, #2 Don't loan more than you can afford to lose. Like me, I loaned a lot of what I had (digits wise, Not $) and when I got it back had more digits and was so surprised, if I never got it back, I had already figured I would see it down the road, if never and appreciated the few words he shared, I feel like I owe him. GO BITCOIN FRIENDS!!!
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September 04, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
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loan repaid.
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September 04, 2012, 11:44:57 AM
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loan repaid.

This loan was repaid in about 24 hours. It was a 5 day loan and I received full interest regardless (thank you).

Building good trust with curiousone.

T.
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September 04, 2012, 12:29:43 PM
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Just so I've got this straight:

On 2012-08-29, curiousone sends 10 BTC to tenakha from 12ymeh3 to 15nw38
http://blockchain.info/tx/542d8140d5d0eb131bb6b18c2be0c2508535eae3aa5cdba8e9510d00f409c140

On 2012-09-03, curiousone asks to borrow back the 10 BTC that he sent to tenakha 5 days earlier and curiousone "loans" the exact same coins from 15nw38 back to 12ymeh3
http://blockchain.info/tx/40ee1d3002f257a85650d8e8ba93e014682be7230001f966a2e9156b86f8f071

On 2012-09-04, curiousone sends 11.5 BTC to tanakha repaying the loan from 12ymeh3 back to 15nw38 with interest 4 days early.
http://blockchain.info/tx/1060e746780f3dcdee0597e78aa0e8791833a2c0f085304b0868e9aec570fb5a

Two questions:
If curiousone needed the 10 BTC so bad that he was willing to pay back at an annualized interest rate of 124,16,920,162,027,000,000,000%, then why did he give the 10 BTC to tenakha on August 29th in the first place?

Does this set of transactions seem odd to anyone else?

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September 04, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
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Just so I've got this straight:

On 2012-08-29, curiousone sends 10 BTC to tenakha from 12ymeh3 to 15nw38
http://blockchain.info/tx/542d8140d5d0eb131bb6b18c2be0c2508535eae3aa5cdba8e9510d00f409c140

On 2012-09-03, curiousone asks to borrow back the 10 BTC that he sent to tenakha 5 days earlier and curiousone "loans" the exact same coins from 15nw38 back to 12ymeh3
http://blockchain.info/tx/40ee1d3002f257a85650d8e8ba93e014682be7230001f966a2e9156b86f8f071

On 2012-09-04, curiousone sends 11.5 BTC to tanakha repaying the loan from 12ymeh3 back to 15nw38 with interest 4 days early.
http://blockchain.info/tx/1060e746780f3dcdee0597e78aa0e8791833a2c0f085304b0868e9aec570fb5a

Two questions:
If curiousone needed the 10 BTC so bad that he was willing to pay back at an annualized interest rate of 124,16,920,162,027,000,000,000%, then why did he give the 10 BTC to tenakha on August 29th in the first place?

Does this set of transactions seem odd to anyone else?

Let me add a few facts that may help:

1. I have been making buy requests for BTC for the past week. I pay GBP via Bank Transfer. curiousone offered me 10 BTC which I bought. Transaction completed fine.

2. A few days (4) later curiousone asked me if I could lend him 10BTC. I did not ask why or what for. Thats his business. Four days after he sold them to me he needed a loan. What for? I have no idea. He requested a short term loan from me (someone he trusted as I paid him CASH up front). He also offered me a good return. I don't know how he is using BTC to make money. Maybe he lent the 10BTC on. Maybe he is an expert in 7 card stud poker - I really don't know. But he promised me 1.5BTC return on a 5 day loan of 10BTC. Now I have SEEN people borrow 2BTC and return 3BTC in less than 4 hours! That happens here on OTC. So who am I to question why curiousone is giving me such a high return? Maybe he doubled the 10BTC? Who knows. The salient point here is that his circumstances changed in the 4 days since he sold me the BTC. That can happen. Nothing odd there really.



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September 04, 2012, 01:20:14 PM
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I understand that this could be a completely legitimate transaction, and that tenakha and curiousone both obviously claim that it is.

However, given the circumstances of the transaction between 2 "Jr. Memebers" (one of which only has 13 posts at the time of the transaction), it looked a bit like a single person with two accounts bouncing bitcoin back and forth to try to build up a false reputation.

If this is not true, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

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September 04, 2012, 01:29:59 PM
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When posting loans like this, you should mention both users' bitcoin-otc names.

tenakha=tenakha
curiousone=shaofist

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September 04, 2012, 01:33:32 PM
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I understand that this could be a completely legitimate transaction, and that tenakha and curiousone both obviously claim that it is.

However, given the circumstances of the transaction between 2 "Jr. Memebers" (one of which only has 13 posts at the time of the transaction), it looked a bit like a single person with two accounts bouncing bitcoin back and forth to try to build up a false reputation.

If this is not true, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
No need to apologize - that's exactly what it looks like.
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September 04, 2012, 01:53:10 PM
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I understand that this could be a completely legitimate transaction, and that tenakha and curiousone both obviously claim that it is.

However, given the circumstances of the transaction between 2 "Jr. Memebers" (one of which only has 13 posts at the time of the transaction), it looked a bit like a single person with two accounts bouncing bitcoin back and forth to try to build up a false reputation.

If this is not true, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
No need to apologize - that's exactly what it looks like.

Also odd is that they both took the time to rate the receiving of BTC on bitcoin-otc for this set of transactions, but for some reason neither of them choose to rate the transaction where the 10 BTC were originally transferred on 2012-08-29.

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September 04, 2012, 02:11:31 PM
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I understand that this could be a completely legitimate transaction, and that tenakha and curiousone both obviously claim that it is.

However, given the circumstances of the transaction between 2 "Jr. Memebers" (one of which only has 13 posts at the time of the transaction), it looked a bit like a single person with two accounts bouncing bitcoin back and forth to try to build up a false reputation.

If this is not true, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
No need to apologize - that's exactly what it looks like.

Also odd is that they both took the time to rate the receiving of BTC on bitcoin-otc for this set of transactions, but for some reason neither of them choose to rate the transaction where the 10 BTC were originally transferred on 2012-08-29.

Guys - you are doing a lot of assuming here all based on circumstantial.

You are of course free to assume what you want. I am a bit fazed because there is no *evidence* of wrong doing of any sort.

You've seen 2 transactions pass between 2 junior members ... scientifically thats not a very high sample is it?

What about the other four transactions I've had with other users? Why are you not factoring those into your 'analysis'?


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September 04, 2012, 02:24:37 PM
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Yes, we are both based in the UK. I originally requested to buy BTC from a UK seller so I could deposit into a UK bank - and he replied to me on #bitcoin-otc

Your comment about 'in the same timezone' is about as ridiculous as saying "OMG they are both from the US"!!?? The UK has a population of over 77 million.

We don't know eachother IRL - but again - what if we did? So what? Are we now saying that people who know eachother IRL shouldn't be trading BTC on OTC??!

Seriously!
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September 04, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
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Yes, we are both based in the UK. I originally requested to buy BTC from a UK seller so I could deposit into a UK bank - and he replied to me on #bitcoin-otc

Your comment about 'in the same timezone' is about as ridiculous as saying "OMG they are both from the US"!!?? The UK has a population of over 77 million.

We don't know eachother IRL - but again - what if we did? So what? Are we now saying that people who know eachother IRL shouldn't be trading BTC on OTC??!

Seriously!
It was just a joke dude.  I was also poking fun at the others with their "they have the same hair color" comments.

:-) Sorry - I didn't pick up the sarcasm when I first read it - I thought someone 'else' was having a dig at us too!
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September 04, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
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LOL, I love that people who arn't even involved are suspicious, bloody bitcoins  Grin

I did actually sell the 10 coins to tek in the first place, and I ended up buying a load more I got from mtgox today so just handed what I owed over.
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September 04, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
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LOL, I love that people who arn't even involved are suspicious, bloody bitcoins  Grin

I did actually sell the 10 coins to tek in the first place, and I ended up buying a load more I got from mtgox today so just handed what I owed over.

Just asking: Do you have any to sell out of those? :-)

(I know we ONLY live 150 miles away from eachother but I think we are still allowed to trade...)
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September 04, 2012, 03:26:39 PM
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LOL, I love that people who arn't even involved are suspicious, bloody bitcoins  Grin

I did actually sell the 10 coins to tek in the first place, and I ended up buying a load more I got from mtgox today so just handed what I owed over.

When two unknown, extremely-low-post count users post about their loan transactions, and go on to talk about "building trust", they are almost always a single scammer attempting to build a fake reputation and transaction history. Maybe your transaction was the excption and you're in the 1% of legitimate transactions. But since this has happened hundreds and hundreds of times here, in no way should you be surprised about being called out.

Also, you may think we're "not involved", but like EVERY bitcoin investor, I'm involved peripherally, and it sickens me to see people getting scammed, no matter how naive they are. If you are indeed legitimate users, you should understand and respect that.
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September 05, 2012, 01:53:36 PM
Last edit: September 05, 2012, 02:27:41 PM by curiousone
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having read the second part of your message, I agree, hyper vigilance is the only way to go with bitcoin, I myself have been scammed a few times.

it was tek who wanted to post this message, so even though I agree its important to scrutinize as hard as possible, also remember do not start shouting too much about our transaction being a scam without proof, because then you'll be driving new users away from bitcoin.

tek, email me about more coinage.
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September 05, 2012, 02:27:35 PM
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OK guys I've dug a little deeper into this evil, community destroying sham of a loan agreement cleverly masked as a small loan between two acquaintances and I've discovered things aren't what they seem at all....

OK first of all it seems both users have uploaded videos to youtube in the past 5 years, coincidence? I don't think so

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tenakha

http://www.youtube.com/user/shaofist

They claim to be from the same country yet Tenakha's you tube profile is from Finland NOT the UK as he claims.

I'd bet any money that Tenakha is in fact none other than the elusive, notorious Finish Identity theft payday loan guy that hit the headlines back in 2010  http://www.debtmanagementtoday.co.uk/newsstory?id=1002&type=newsfeature&title=criminals_target_lax_payday_lender_in_1_5m_loan_fraud

If anyone wants to take this bet with me email my trusted friend who runs a site some of you may have heard of (blockchain.info) on his "special" email address koshaescrowdude@outlook.com and I'll match any amount)
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September 05, 2012, 03:03:57 PM
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OK guys I've dug a little deeper into this evil, community destroying sham of a loan agreement cleverly masked as a small loan between two acquaintances and I've discovered things aren't what they seem at all....

OK first of all it seems both users have uploaded videos to youtube in the past 5 years, coincidence? I don't think so

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tenakha

http://www.youtube.com/user/shaofist

They claim to be from the same country yet Tenakha's you tube profile is from Finland NOT the UK as he claims.

I'd bet any money that Tenakha is in fact none other than the elusive, notorious Finish Identity theft payday loan guy that hit the headlines back in 2010  http://www.debtmanagementtoday.co.uk/newsstory?id=1002&type=newsfeature&title=criminals_target_lax_payday_lender_in_1_5m_loan_fraud

If anyone wants to take this bet with me email my trusted friend who runs a site some of you may have heard of (blockchain.info) on his "special" email address koshaescrowdude@outlook.com and I'll match any amount)

1000 bitcoin says tenakha is http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/semion-mogilevich
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