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[yoloer808]

I like the site but then provably fair is NOT fair. As NLNico mentioned in another thread:

3 ) some others do not allow you to change your client seed so they force a client seed that makes the result known to them even before you bet.

Thats you. What happens on your site is that I pick a client seed, press randomize. The seed gets sent to you and you can set a new server seed depending on my client seed, so you can actually affect if I win or not!

The proper way to implement this would be to allow the player to change the client seed WITHOUT changing the server seed.

Otherwise great site.

Hi!

Hypothetically, we can affect your game result, but only in case we know exactly how you bet and play. But as far as it's too complicated to fulfil (as we can't read other people mind) we just don't use the scheme you suggested. Also, there is a verification code on the bet page so you could verify any bet on your own.

this is bullshit. It is very easy for you to allow the user to change the client seed, i dont see a reason not to, apart from the fact that you want to scam users.

As it is now, your site is NOT PROVABLY FAIR.

Seriously, this is how it works and we are not the one platform based on this method.

This is actually false, gmann is correct, you need to allow the player to change the seed without changing the server seed, otherwise you are not provably fair.

I don't know what the big deal is to be honest, it doesn't fundamentally affect your system so why not allow it?

We used the same architecture as lots of other top casino, it's not that easy to be changed, you know.
However, if you have ideas which way Cryptogames can use this - please explain, as we truly can't understand why this is considered as unfair. 

If a player bets a certain way, you can create a client seed and server seed to make him lose more often than he should. Obviously this doesn't make sense with the smaller players, however, high rollers should be careful with your site, as the motivation to unethically manipulate even a small portion of their bets is there.

I'm not saying you do this, but it's not 100% provably fair.

As for using 'the same architecture as lots of other top casino', show me ONE top casino that does this.

[lastchanceclochard]

hi,
can you give me your House edge?

tnx

[Cryptogames]

Hi, yoloer808.

In a nutshell, we have no ability and willing to manipulate bets results. Operating in the Provably Fair niche, means that as long as we're Provably Fair, we exist.

show me ONE top casino that does this.

https://primedice.com/verify
Please follow the link where you can see both Client and Server Seed as we have.

Long answer:
It's several different implementations of Provably Fair functionality around the web. We've chosen the one that we think is the best. We never wanted to cheat our users as it's not our style. We want Cryptogames.io to thrive in a long run, giving an unequaled experience of having fun and making money out of it. I mean cheat users is so cheap that even your theory that we could do it gives me a hard feeling that we can't make happy everyone.

1) If you blame us for being "not 100% provably fair", to be fair, you should do the same with PrimeDice as we both use Client and Server Seed.
2) Please check the Wikipedia article on what is provably fair, to ensure that we're on the same page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair . In short it says that if we're Provably Fair - you have full ability to check that bet is fair by the result was generated by the predetermined algorithm. Here is how we do it: https://cryptogames.io/provably-fair . All that being said leads to the conclusion that a casino could be Provably Fair or could not be. Yes or no. It's impossible to be 95% Provably Fair
3) Randomization is made only by user request, so Client and Server Seed can't be changed during the game. Thus, we have no ability to change them even if we wanted to.
4) Some casinos have the Daily Secret generated randomly once per day. I'm sure that it least transparent implementation that we have. Don't you think that if Seeds could be changed it means an ability to cheat

Hope you'll find my answer sufficient.

[Cryptogames]

hi,
can you give me your House edge?

tnx

Hi, lastchanceclochard.

We have different House Edges for our games. Please check the page by the following link to get up to date info: https://cryptogames.io/help. Scroll to the bottom of the page to check the details we have for each of our games.

[Cryptogames]

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[yoloer808]

Hi, yoloer808.

In a nutshell, we have no ability and willing to manipulate bets results. Operating in the Provably Fair niche, means that as long as we're Provably Fair, we exist.

show me ONE top casino that does this.

https://primedice.com/verify
Please follow the link where you can see both Client and Server Seed as we have.

Long answer:
It's several different implementations of Provably Fair functionality around the web. We've chosen the one that we think is the best. We never wanted to cheat our users as it's not our style. We want Cryptogames.io to thrive in a long run, giving an unequaled experience of having fun and making money out of it. I mean cheat users is so cheap that even your theory that we could do it gives me a hard feeling that we can't make happy everyone.

1) If you blame us for being "not 100% provably fair", to be fair, you should do the same with PrimeDice as we both use Client and Server Seed.
2) Please check the Wikipedia article on what is provably fair, to ensure that we're on the same page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair . In short it says that if we're Provably Fair - you have full ability to check that bet is fair by the result was generated by the predetermined algorithm. Here is how we do it: https://cryptogames.io/provably-fair . All that being said leads to the conclusion that a casino could be Provably Fair or could not be. Yes or no. It's impossible to be 95% Provably Fair
3) Randomization is made only by user request, so Client and Server Seed can't be changed during the game. Thus, we have no ability to change them even if we wanted to.
4) Some casinos have the Daily Secret generated randomly once per day. I'm sure that it least transparent implementation that we have. Don't you think that if Seeds could be changed it means an ability to cheat

Hope you'll find my answer sufficient.

Primedice publishes the NEXT server seed hash BEFORE you set your own client seed, that is the big difference. Literally no site does it like you do, because your system is not provably fair. Enough said.

[Cryptogames]

Added "New Server Seed (hashed)" to the Randomize page.

If someone is still not sure that we're Probably Fair, please post your arguments.

[micromen]

Love this site!

[Cryptogames]

Love this site!

Thank you! 

[yoloer808]

Added "New Server Seed (hashed)" to the Randomize page.

If someone is still not sure that we're Probably Fair, please post your arguments.

Now it is really provably fair, thank you for addressing our concerns. I wish you the best of luck.

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[Cryptogames]

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[Cryptogames]

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[yoloer808]

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[Cryptogames]

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We're constantly working on making our site better. Right now we’re more into new games implementation. Soon we’ll add Cryptogames version of well known Wheel of Fortune, I’m sure you’ll be impressed  Investments and Max Win, nice things to have on the site. So we’re looking forward for them but not in the short time perspective.

[kshyzer]

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