Which is the BEST military rifle?

[bitcoinbear]

Evolve, why would you buy a AK-47 manufactured in America?

Wait, is this THE Atlas? You got unbanned?

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[Atlas]

Evolve, why would you buy a AK-47 manufactured in America?

Wait, is this THE Atlas? You got unbanned?

I had some support and I committed to the laws of this forum.

I also had to donate to the forum again.

Anyways, guns. WHY WOULD YOU BUY AN AMERICAN AK? WHY?

[evolve]

Because Americans know how to build guns.

Serious answer: it was the right price at the right time. 

[Atlas]

Serious answer: it was the right price at the right time. 

That will do.

From what I've seen, foreign guns just have better clearances and thus better accuracy. Plus, they have been building AKs for a long time.

In Pakistan (inb4, omg are u a terrurist), they make them by hand and the workmanship is phenomenal if you can get your hands on one.

[evolve]

I go back and forth about ar's...the tight tolorences make for an accurate gun, but they can be a bit finicky (from what I can tell from other guys guns at the range) and prone to malfunction if they get a bit dirty.

The Ak is a fun toy...I cant keyhole shots at 300 yards, but I could dump that fucker in a mudpuddle or a sand pit and shoot without an issue.

I guess its all about what type of shooting you do... it all comes down to durability vs accuracy, really.

[MoonShadow]

Among those choices, the M1-Garand is certainly the best singular military rifle, but for the price nothing beats the Mosin-Nagant.

[swissmate]

Why is a mosin nagant so cheap? I've been looking in some online shops an they are usually about 130 dollars.
How come a rifle could be so cheap?

[bitcoinbear]

Why is a mosin nagant so cheap? I've been looking in some online shops an they are usually about 130 dollars.
How come a rifle could be so cheap?

1: bolt action, so much simpler than most of the others on the list.
2: simple russian construction (this is why the AK and SKS are also so cheap, relatively)
3: the russians made millions of them (supply and demand, there is plenty of supply)

[Fiyasko]

Okay, Question, This is a poll for MILITARY rilfles right? So why are Non Military issued weapons on the list?
Who the hell loads up 2012 infantry with 1886 winchesters Etc!

[swissmate]

Okay, Question, This is a poll for MILITARY rilfles right? So why are Non Military issued weapons on the list?
Who the hell loads up 2012 infantry with 1886 winchesters Etc!

It also doesn't say actual military rifles.

1886 Winchesters were once used in the army.

[bitcoinbear]

Okay, Question, This is a poll for MILITARY rilfles right? So why are Non Military issued weapons on the list?
Who the hell loads up 2012 infantry with 1886 winchesters Etc!

It also doesn't say actual military rifles.

1886 Winchesters were once used in the army.

If it was used by a military at any point, it is acceptable for the poll. I did not specify current military rifles, so if there is an old rifle you think is better than current ones, that is valid for the poll. You will note some people are voting for the M1, I do not think anybody arms their army with it, but some people still think it is the best.

[Fiyasko]

Touché
I guess that means that whoever made the first cartridge reload (magazine or not), Rifle'd barrel gun. Built the best gun of all history.....
C'mon really, Rifling was the pinnacle of firearms innovations

[moni3z]

Depends on many things.

-how easy/cheap it is to access spare parts and ammo for said rifle
-what country is making it.. is it your enemy lol
-where you plan on using it: water, desert, jungle ect.
-what temperatures you need it for: frozen Canadian or Afghani wasteland, or humid jungle
-what you'll be doing (patrolling cities and not wanting ricochets and bullets tearing through targets and hitting civillians) or will you be in the hills firing at long distance targets
-how easy is it to maintain
-do you teach your soldiers fire discipline (most NATO countries except US) or do you want to enforce semi auto only (US)
-will it be a club when the soldier is out of ammo, or need a bayonet

Canada, Denmark, NL and a lot of other countries use the c7, which is basically a US infantry copy except made by Colt Canada and is full auto. So I guess Colt makes the best military rifles, since almost everybody is using them must be easy access to parts and equip, but obviously only if you're an ally of the US. FFL uses FAMAS but is replacing it, not with Colts as the French don't want to support the US arms industry, as they have their own arms industry.

Here's the Pak border guy's making weapons out of scrap metal, too bad this area is wholly deserted now since the Pak taliban moved in and shut everything down: http://youtu.be/FinRqCocwGE

[Monster-Ant]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

[bitcoinbear]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

[ZodiacDragon84]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

If all I have is a wood Bokken when shit hits the fan, I'm better prepared than my neighbors. I'll figure things out from there....lmao

[MoonShadow]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

I'm most likely to be holding a Marlin 22lr, and considering that I have in my possesion thousands of rounds for the thing (as compared to merely hundreds for my Mosin-Nagant), I think that it's a fine choice for two legged game in an urban combat zone.

I'm not the only one, either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr14xVetXM

[Monster-Ant]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

M-4 Carbine or M-16A1.

[Fiyasko]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

I'm most likely to be holding a Marlin 22lr, and considering that I have in my possesion thousands of rounds for the thing (as compared to merely hundreds for my Mosin-Nagant), I think that it's a fine choice for two legged game in an urban combat zone.

I'm not the only one, either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr14xVetXM

To be honest, I am now convinced to purchase a .22 handgun, Should i ever buy a handgun (i live in canada its kinda hard to legaly carry a handgun)
I just NEVER even Thought about it! I always had the "i dont want to fucking kill a guy who stole my wallet, I want to Stop him, So im gonna aim for the leg"
Well, Thats kinda hard... Swap to a less lethal bullet, And i should beable to hit the guy in the stomach or back without lethal consequences.

You just cannot justify "i only Shot at the burgler because i was defending my home!"
"You mean you killed a man who entered your house with the intent to steal"
"dude! He was robbing me! I didnt mean to kill him!"
"riighhttt... And im sure that john doe didnt mean to rob you"

[MoonShadow]

Best military rifle?

Whichever one is in my hands when the shit hits the fan.

When the shit hits the fan, which rifle would you most like to be holding? Which would you be most likely to be holding?

I'm most likely to be holding a Marlin 22lr, and considering that I have in my possesion thousands of rounds for the thing (as compared to merely hundreds for my Mosin-Nagant), I think that it's a fine choice for two legged game in an urban combat zone.

I'm not the only one, either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr14xVetXM

To be honest, I am now convinced to purchase a .22 handgun, Should i ever buy a handgun (i live in canada its kinda hard to legaly carry a handgun)
I just NEVER even Thought about it! I always had the "i dont want to fucking kill a guy who stole my wallet, I want to Stop him, So im gonna aim for the leg"
Well, Thats kinda hard... Swap to a less lethal bullet, And i should beable to hit the guy in the stomach or back without lethal consequences.

Even in a pro-gun US state, with "stand your ground" laws in effect, there are always legal consequences with any shooting, and if you shot your pickpocket in the back you're going to prison.  That's one of the classic examples that the state instructors teach is almost never a justifiable use of lethal force, and even a 22lr is lethal force.  The reason is that you can only respond to threat of force with force, and only for so long as that credible threat exists (or a jury of your peers can be convinced that a reasonable person would fear the threat under the same circumstances).  This is why Travon Martin is facing felony charges in Florida, because that ongoing threat is under question.  If you shoot the guy in the back, it all but implies that he was running away, thus no further threat exists.

You just cannot justify "i only Shot at the burgler because i was defending my home!"
"You mean you killed a man who entered your house with the intent to steal"
"dude! He was robbing me! I didnt mean to kill him!"
"riighhttt... And im sure that john doe didnt mean to rob you"

And that is why "castle doctrine" laws exist in the US.  If someone breaks into your home, or otherwise forces their way in, the law assumes that they were there with criminal intent.  Particularly after dark and if you don't know the guy.  If they were just drunk and mistook your house for theirs, that's a shame but breaking & entering is, itself, a crime; alcohol kills addicts eventually.