Which is the BEST military rifle?

[bitlane]

Original M1 chambering 30.06 ..... or M14 w/7.62x51 (7.62 NATO).

Everyone can keep their AK-47s.....

No vote for the M1 Garand? I am confused, why comment but not vote?

Because there are a bunch of Internet Kids under the impression that the M1 was a 7.62x51 Rifle....I SAID ORIGINAL M1.

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The Choices should be edited to read:

- M1 @ 30.06
- M1/M14 @ 7.62x51

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[bitcoinbear]

Original M1 chambering 30.06 ..... or M14 w/7.62x51 (7.62 NATO).

Everyone can keep their AK-47s.....

No vote for the M1 Garand? I am confused, why comment but not vote?

Because there are a bunch of Internet Kids under the impression that the M1 was a 7.62x51 Rifle....I SAID ORIGINAL M1.

I don't think I have ever seen a 7.62 M1? As far as I know they have always been 30.06, the M-14 was the first rifle to go to standardized NATO 7.62, right?

Just to be clear, I will add 30.06 to the poll.

[thebaron]

AK-47 is reliable, but has shitty accuracy and fucking hurts to shoot after awhile.
Love the FN-FAL, but it's goddamned heavy.
Probably would pick the M-14.

[thebaron]

I don't think I have ever seen a 7.62 M1? As far as I know they have always been 30.06, the M-14 was the first rifle to go to standardized NATO 7.62, right?

I've seen an aftermarket conversion.

[bitlane]

I don't think I have ever seen a 7.62 M1? As far as I know they have always been 30.06, the M-14 was the first rifle to go to standardized NATO 7.62, right?

I've seen an aftermarket conversion.

No, not aftermarket. 30.06 was difficult to carry enough ammo. 3.08/752x51 solved this, without taking too much power away.

30.06 vs .308/7.62x51/7.62 NATO is huge, in terms of a soldier's carry capabilities....

[Fiyasko]

Yeah, It's funny that Majority of people who havent carried ammo before, jsut forget or flatout dont know how damn heavy ammo is throughout the day...

Thats one of the primary reasons i prefer the 5.56mm, That and well, Less chance of an unwanted casualty. I sometimes consider the 7.62's to be Overkill, But hey, Im never shooting at kevlar targets... soo.. Yeah...

[bitlane]

Yeah, It's funny that Majority of people who havent carried ammo before, jsut forget or flatout dont know how damn heavy ammo is throughout the day...

Thats one of the primary reasons i prefer the 5.56mm, That and well, Less chance of an unwanted casualty. I sometimes consider the 7.62's to be Overkill, But hey, Im never shooting at kevlar targets... soo.. Yeah...

Exactly.
.223 definitely helps to solve alot of problems in terms of being a happy medium for carry/kill power etc.

This question/poll overall doesn't really help to prove anything though.

My favorite battle rifle has far more to do with the round it chambers, than the overall rifle itself. I am a sucker for 7.6x51/.308 for anything over 50 yards.
Inside of 50 yards, I would simply carry a submachine gun that shared a round with my pistol.

I would only need 2 rounds to fight....lol. I just would stock up on 7.62x51/.308 for my long and medium range rifles and 45cal for my 1911s and submachine guns

[bitcoinbear]

My favorite battle rifle has far more to do with the round it chambers, than the overall rifle itself. I am a sucker for 7.6x51/.308 for anything over 50 yards.
Inside of 50 yards, I would simply carry a submachine gun that shared a round with my pistol.

I would only need 2 rounds to fight....lol. I just would stock up on 7.62x51/.308 for my long and medium range rifles and 45cal for my 1911s and submachine guns

So, when you go out on patrol you are carrying 4 guns, a bolt-action .308 sniper rifle for long range, a .308 assault rifle for medium range, a .45 submachine gun for short range, and a .45 pistol for backup? Are you going to grab a shotgun too for when you enter rooms? 

[goodlord666]

AK... oh the good-ole days of Tac Ops

 

[bitlane]

My favorite battle rifle has far more to do with the round it chambers, than the overall rifle itself. I am a sucker for 7.6x51/.308 for anything over 50 yards.
Inside of 50 yards, I would simply carry a submachine gun that shared a round with my pistol.

I would only need 2 rounds to fight....lol. I just would stock up on 7.62x51/.308 for my long and medium range rifles and 45cal for my 1911s and submachine guns

So, when you go out on patrol you are carrying 4 guns, a bolt-action .308 sniper rifle for long range, a .308 assault rifle for medium range, a .45 submachine gun for short range, and a .45 pistol for backup? Are you going to grab a shotgun too for when you enter rooms? 

No.. I would carry an M14 and a single or pair of 1911s on patrol

My Sherpa would carry all of my ammo, my submachinegun and assorted goodies...lol

[Fiyasko]

My favorite battle rifle has far more to do with the round it chambers, than the overall rifle itself. I am a sucker for 7.6x51/.308 for anything over 50 yards.
Inside of 50 yards, I would simply carry a submachine gun that shared a round with my pistol.

I would only need 2 rounds to fight....lol. I just would stock up on 7.62x51/.308 for my long and medium range rifles and 45cal for my 1911s and submachine guns

So, when you go out on patrol you are carrying 4 guns, a bolt-action .308 sniper rifle for long range, a .308 assault rifle for medium range, a .45 submachine gun for short range, and a .45 pistol for backup? Are you going to grab a shotgun too for when you enter rooms? 

No.. I would carry an M14 and a single or pair of 1911s on patrol

My Sherpa would carry all of my ammo, my submachinegun and assorted goodies...lol

Obv only three guns, Primary, Secondary, Last resort
Longrange Assualt Rifle
CQB gun like an smg or shotgun
Pistol, Always carry a pistol

Rifle on the back, Smg along the leg, Pistol at the hip, Ammo on the belt and vest aswell as other leg

[bitlane]

My favorite battle rifle has far more to do with the round it chambers, than the overall rifle itself. I am a sucker for 7.6x51/.308 for anything over 50 yards.
Inside of 50 yards, I would simply carry a submachine gun that shared a round with my pistol.

I would only need 2 rounds to fight....lol. I just would stock up on 7.62x51/.308 for my long and medium range rifles and 45cal for my 1911s and submachine guns

So, when you go out on patrol you are carrying 4 guns, a bolt-action .308 sniper rifle for long range, a .308 assault rifle for medium range, a .45 submachine gun for short range, and a .45 pistol for backup? Are you going to grab a shotgun too for when you enter rooms? 

No.. I would carry an M14 and a single or pair of 1911s on patrol

My Sherpa would carry all of my ammo, my submachinegun and assorted goodies...lol

Obv only three guns, Primary, Secondary, Last resort
Longrange Assualt Rifle
CQB gun like an smg or shotgun
Pistol, Always carry a pistol

Rifle on the back, Smg along the leg, Pistol at the hip, Ammo on the belt and vest aswell as other leg

...and a Sherpa following me to carry my snacks and ghetto blaster so that I can play 'fight music' when I engage a target, or become engaged

[bitcoinbear]

Obv only three guns, Primary, Secondary, Last resort
Longrange Assualt Rifle
CQB gun like an smg or shotgun
Pistol, Always carry a pistol

Rifle on the back, Smg along the leg, Pistol at the hip, Ammo on the belt and vest aswell as other leg

OK, this makes sense. I suppose you leave the sniper rifle at home and switch it out for the assault rifle when you are going on a mission where you need it.

[evolve]

since we are talking about military style rifles, here's a pic of my vector arms ak....

[RodeoX]

The question to ask first is.. "what is the mission?"
Are we storming a city building or taking pot shots at each other in the desert. The right weapon is subject to a variety of factors, most importantly the engagement range.
Overall I would want the G3. I have an AK and a very good RECCE AR-15 on back order. But the fact is that military gun contracts go to the low bidder, not the best gun. For example the G36 or the Steyr Aug are great mil weapons that few armies can afford. I think Saudi Arabia still uses the Steyr, but then they use a Lamborghini made vehicle for their transport jeep. (no kidding)

[bitcoinbear]

The question to ask first is.. "what is the mission?"
Are we storming a city building or taking pot shots at each other in the desert. The right weapon is subject to a variety of factors, most importantly the engagement range.
Overall I would want the G3. I have an AK and a very good RECCE AR-15 on back order. But the fact is that military gun contracts go to the low bidder, not the best gun. For example the G36 or the Steyr Aug are great mil weapons that few armies can afford. I think Saudi Arabia still uses the Steyr, but then they use a Lamborghini made vehicle for their transport jeep. (no kidding)

You could probably say the best rifle is the one which is useful in the most situations.

[swissmate]

since we are talking about military style rifles, here's a pic of my vector arms ak....

So nasty, but isn't that picatinny rail a bit far away to place a sight?

[Atlas]

Mosin Nagant with extended mag. $2000 arms an entire platoon.

[evolve]

Nah, a holo or red dot sight typically has infinite eye relief, so I could throw one on the rail with no issue...something like a scope would be a no go though.

Iron sights work just fine for my purposes though (playing around on the outdoor range)

[Atlas]

Evolve, why would you buy a AK-47 manufactured in America?