barrymatas (OP)
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May 16, 2015, 07:46:05 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
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huadylmate
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May 16, 2015, 07:47:56 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Yes of course it is, are we talking live roulette then they are trained to be able to get it in an area not so much a single number but small group others who are really good can do pretty much anything. If it is online virtual then if it isn't provably fair then yes it can be rigged
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nikona
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May 16, 2015, 07:51:24 AM |
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It is always possible but I doubt thats the case. Since a lot of viewers play on these sites together, so if the Wheel is biased , it would make only a few people win. Say if you bet on odd, and more people bet on even , then if the wheel is biased to come up odd, then you win. Its hard to know where it is biased towards .
But again it doesn't mean they can change it anytime they want to. It will just be biased towards one side, which is actually worse for them ,as anyone who finds out can exploit it.
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XinXan
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May 16, 2015, 07:51:28 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Yes of course it is, are we talking live roulette then they are trained to be able to get it in an area not so much a single number but small group others who are really good can do pretty much anything. If it is online virtual then if it isn't provably fair then yes it can be rigged Well if it is live is definitely not provably fair because its impossible i guess, they could very well be rigging it but if a lot of people is playing at the time, they dont really win much by doing so because where one player loses the other could be winning. Just dont play live roulette, there is no point, go to a real casino if you want that
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nikona
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May 16, 2015, 07:54:35 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Yes of course it is, are we talking live roulette then they are trained to be able to get it in an area not so much a single number but small group others who are really good can do pretty much anything. I don't think they can change the balance of the wheel like that. The wheels are actually unbalanced by default, and due to that a number or group of numbers are more likely to happen. A Casino , live online or live in casino , cannot just unbalance it in front of the camera or other people, and that is the reason I doubt they do it, specially because if someone realizes it, the casino could lose a lot because of it being exploited. However if someone was continuously betting on Even , then they might do so .
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goxcraft
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May 16, 2015, 08:17:41 AM |
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Have been trying Jetwin's Immersive Roulette. It's something unreal!
As the live dealer spins the wheel, you can see and follow every movement of the ball – all in 200 frames-per-second HD video and with a slow motion replay of the winning number-colour as the ball comes to rest.
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huadylmate
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May 16, 2015, 08:25:57 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Yes of course it is, are we talking live roulette then they are trained to be able to get it in an area not so much a single number but small group others who are really good can do pretty much anything. I don't think they can change the balance of the wheel like that. The wheels are actually unbalanced by default, and due to that a number or group of numbers are more likely to happen. A Casino , live online or live in casino , cannot just unbalance it in front of the camera or other people, and that is the reason I doubt they do it, specially because if someone realizes it, the casino could lose a lot because of it being exploited. However if someone was continuously betting on Even , then they might do so . The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them). I Said nothing about an unbalanced wheel because that does not matter in the slightest to them, wheels are changed between tables anyway so you never know which is which that is nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about precise spinners which I know to be fact please don't try tell me different.
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98problems
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May 16, 2015, 09:27:28 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
why cant it be rigged? even if you saw the whole wheel you couldnt tell if its fair or not as under it can be magnets and so on so i guess when playing live roulette its even easier to be scammed than playing a provably fair one
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nikona
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May 16, 2015, 09:34:55 AM |
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The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them). I Said nothing about an unbalanced wheel because that does not matter in the slightest to them, wheels are changed between tables anyway so you never know which is which that is nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about precise spinners which I know to be fact please don't try tell me different.
That might be a possibility , but the thing is that the numbers on the wheel are distributed randomly , so if someone bets on red or black, or say over/under , then relying on the fact that where to spin from won't work. why cant it be rigged? even if you saw the whole wheel you couldnt tell if its fair or not as under it can be magnets and so on so i guess when playing live roulette its even easier to be scammed than playing a provably fair one
Thats not true, Magnets will never be used, as the ball will experience a force due to the magnet, and since all eyes are on the ball, even the slightest deviation from its expected movement will be visible, and will be caught .
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huadylmate
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May 16, 2015, 09:52:30 AM |
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The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them). I Said nothing about an unbalanced wheel because that does not matter in the slightest to them, wheels are changed between tables anyway so you never know which is which that is nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about precise spinners which I know to be fact please don't try tell me different.
That might be a possibility , but the thing is that the numbers on the wheel are distributed randomly , so if someone bets on red or black, or say over/under , then relying on the fact that where to spin from won't work. why cant it be rigged? even if you saw the whole wheel you couldnt tell if its fair or not as under it can be magnets and so on so i guess when playing live roulette its even easier to be scammed than playing a provably fair one
Thats not true, Magnets will never be used, as the ball will experience a force due to the magnet, and since all eyes are on the ball, even the slightest deviation from its expected movement will be visible, and will be caught . You are still missing the point.. They don't care about 50/50 because that is not controllable and I never claimed it was, most of the time they don't care at all but if a few whales start piling on in known areas, tier for example then the spinner is trained to miss that area, simple as that.
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newcripto
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May 16, 2015, 10:51:54 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Physical roulette is very easy to be rigged so why not online one ? If the online roulette or any gambling site is not provably fair tested you can expect anything.I dont say about th mentioned one but talk in general.Yes,it is possible to be so.
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Bralex
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May 16, 2015, 11:03:08 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
Physical roulette is very easy to be rigged so why not online one ? If the online roulette or any gambling site is not provably fair tested you can expect anything.I dont say about th mentioned one but talk in general.Yes,it is possible to be so. Online roulette is even easier than live to rig, for starters you don't have all the eyes on you at all times. If it isn't provably fair then you can bet your life savings that it is not fair lol and more than likely provably rigged! Yes OP on live tables that get worn down after thousands of spins they become prone to certain numbers on the table, casino's usually counteract this by switching the wheels with others in the casino so people don't get savvy to which part of the roulette table is hot.
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WhatTheGox
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May 16, 2015, 11:15:28 AM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
They dont need to rig roullette to take your money, the odds are already against you. One thing about dice is at least the house edge is much less.
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twister
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May 16, 2015, 11:16:51 AM |
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Ofcouse it can be rigged, if you have no way of checking the provable fairness of the results then it can be rigged, not only it goes for the live online games but also the other online casino games which provide no way of checking their fairness, such as some of the video slots.
In legitimate or licensed casinos like the ones in Las-Vegas, there's a gambling regulatory authority which checks each game and makes sure that it is fair before it can be put on the floor. And they even do random inspections to check whether a casino is cheating or not but a site hosting a live roulette table might rig it. There's no way to be sure.
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fox19891989
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May 16, 2015, 02:04:14 PM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
It is cloudbet again, I have seen many complaints said cloudbet's live games are rigged, I think so too, because it is very easy to rip you off, they can replay video feeds instead. Actually this casino has bad reputations because of rigged games, slow withdrawals and very low odds for sportbook, if you guys have much money to give them, they are very happy to get your easy money. All details you can read Cloudbet recent posts, review some pages, I think you won't gamble there any more.
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GrandmaJean
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May 16, 2015, 02:39:08 PM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
They dont need to rig roullette to take your money, the odds are already against you. One thing about dice is at least the house edge is much less. well yeah their house edge is really big but if a whale comes and gets really lucky they need to do something, and the easiest way to bust him would be not letting him to win by rigging the game
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May 16, 2015, 04:13:44 PM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
It is cloudbet again, I have seen many complaints said cloudbet's live games are rigged, I think so too, because it is very easy to rip you off, they can replay video feeds instead. Actually this casino has bad reputations because of rigged games, slow withdrawals and very low odds for sportbook, if you guys have much money to give them, they are very happy to get your easy money. All details you can read Cloudbet recent posts, review some pages, I think you won't gamble there any more. yes that is happened so many times with cloudbet's live games, i think so online roulette wheel can be manipulated easily in favor of house and the dealer knows the result what will be come out when that wheel will stop, because they well trained to do like that.
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May 16, 2015, 04:22:27 PM |
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I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?
It is cloudbet again, I have seen many complaints said cloudbet's live games are rigged, I think so too, because it is very easy to rip you off, they can replay video feeds instead. Actually this casino has bad reputations because of rigged games, slow withdrawals and very low odds for sportbook, if you guys have much money to give them, they are very happy to get your easy money. All details you can read Cloudbet recent posts, review some pages, I think you won't gamble there any more. yes that is happened so many times with cloudbet's live games, i think so online roulette wheel can be manipulated easily in favor of house and the dealer knows the result what will be come out when that wheel will stop, because they well trained to do like that. trained to change the outcome of the roulette wheel? cant all casinos in real life do that then? it seems to be unbelievable
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May 16, 2015, 04:26:53 PM |
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Friend of mine used to be a casino worker. Roulette is not 'rigged' but the operator is trained to land the ball wherever he wants. Good operators will be able to land the ball with a 2-3 spot miss from their target spot. Based on that, it's pretty easy for specific number bets to be dodged. This is why you'd want to sit on a table that is populated.
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May 16, 2015, 04:38:18 PM |
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Friend of mine used to be a casino worker. Roulette is not 'rigged' but the operator is trained to land the ball wherever he wants. Good operators will be able to land the ball with a 2-3 spot miss from their target spot. Based on that, it's pretty easy for specific number bets to be dodged. This is why you'd want to sit on a table that is populated.
there is golden rule for gambling we always play with that amount that we can afford to lose while we are blaming others for our lose, that is common thing in roulette some dealers knows where to land the ball for expected outcome result and that kind of things happened almost most the online casinos.
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