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May 16, 2015, 04:00:11 PM
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Gentlemen.

The amount of inane and misleading posts on this forum has become overwhelming. To assist new users in separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, I propose a solution: my Default Ignore List.

Implementation should be trivial: the code will be virtually identical to the Default Trust List. A new user, "Default Ignore," will be at the root of the list.
Level 1 ignore list will consist of myself and users I consider to be constructive and relevant.
Those a part of Level 1 will be able to both add to the default ignore list (the list of posters which won't be seen by default),
and add the names of those they deem worthy to Level 2 Default (who will also have the right to add to the list of posters to be ignored).

If a user is dissatisfied with the Default Ignore List (good God, why?!), he may unsubscribe from all or parts of said list through his account's profile settings.
Thus, in the manner of the Trust List, fully personalized lists may be created, etc., etc.

Thoughts, gentlemen?
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May 16, 2015, 04:05:16 PM
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Gentlemen.

The amount of inane and misleading posts on this forum has become overwhelming. To assist new users in separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, I propose a solution: my Default Ignore List.

Implementation should be trivial: the code will be virtually identical to the Default Trust List. A new user, "Default Ignore," will be at the root of the list.
Level 1 ignore list will consist of myself and users I consider to be constructive and relevant.
Those a part of Level 1 will be able to both add to the default ignore list (the list of posters which won't be seen by default),
and add the names of those they deem worthy to Level 2 Default (who will also have the right to add to the list of posters to be ignored).

If a user is dissatisfied with the Default Ignore List (good God, why?!), he may unsubscribe from all or parts of said list through his account's profile settings.
Thus, in the manner of the Trust List, fully personalized lists may be created, etc., etc.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

Wouldn't that equate to censorship?

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May 16, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
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Wouldn't that equate to censorship?


Not at all.
A user is free to make his own trust list by changing his account settings, no one is forcing him to use the default. It's merely a suggestion.
Like default trust.
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May 16, 2015, 04:09:20 PM
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Gentlemen.

The amount of inane and misleading posts on this forum has become overwhelming. To assist new users in separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, I propose a solution: my Default Ignore List.

Implementation should be trivial: the code will be virtually identical to the Default Trust List. A new user, "Default Ignore," will be at the root of the list.
Level 1 ignore list will consist of myself and users I consider to be constructive and relevant.
Those a part of Level 1 will be able to both add to the default ignore list (the list of posters which won't be seen by default),
and add the names of those they deem worthy to Level 2 Default (who will also have the right to add to the list of posters to be ignored).

If a user is dissatisfied with the Default Ignore List (good God, why?!), he may unsubscribe from all or parts of said list through his account's profile settings.
Thus, in the manner of the Trust List, fully personalized lists may be created, etc., etc.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

Wouldn't that equate to censorship?


I think it's a horrible idea.  It would only lead to people trying to do multiple accounts if they were on this "ignore list".  The best way is to use your own ignore, and if they are really bad report it.

With OP only having 1 post, I wonder if this is a possible trolling attempt.
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May 16, 2015, 04:10:56 PM
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Gentlemen.

The amount of inane and misleading posts on this forum has become overwhelming. To assist new users in separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, I propose a solution: my Default Ignore List.

Implementation should be trivial: the code will be virtually identical to the Default Trust List. A new user, "Default Ignore," will be at the root of the list.
Level 1 ignore list will consist of myself and users I consider to be constructive and relevant.
Those a part of Level 1 will be able to both add to the default ignore list (the list of posters which won't be seen by default),
and add the names of those they deem worthy to Level 2 Default (who will also have the right to add to the list of posters to be ignored).

If a user is dissatisfied with the Default Ignore List (good God, why?!), he may unsubscribe from all or parts of said list through his account's profile settings.
Thus, in the manner of the Trust List, fully personalized lists may be created, etc., etc.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

Wouldn't that equate to censorship?


I think it's a horrible idea.  It would only lead to people trying to do multiple accounts if they were on this "ignore list".  The best way is to use your own ignore, and if they are really bad report it.

With OP only having 1 post, I wonder if this is a possible trolling attempt.

Yes I think the same, it is not really a good idea and for the question of the newbie account maybe he is only trying to hid his main account (but I can't understand why he doesn't post from that other account).
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May 16, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
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I think it's a horrible idea.  It would only lead to people trying to do multiple accounts if they were on this "ignore list".  The best way is to use your own ignore, and if they are really bad report it.

With OP only having 1 post, I wonder if this is a possible trolling attempt.

Not at all. Some may create new accounts to circumvent the Default Ignore, but this currently happens with Default Trust. Soon the alts will be spotted & added to the Default Ignore.
Works no different from Default Trust.

@redsn0w: My Default Ignore list will make what I'm currently doing irrelevant.
You, being on Level 2 Default Ignore (I already like the cut of your jib, a sharp fellow like yourself can be useful), you'll quickly spot my shenanigans, and add my username to the Default Ignore List.
Problem solved.

It's easy to criticize, gentlemen, but which one of you is willing to propose a better solution?
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May 16, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
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I don't like this feature. There shouldn't be a "default ignore list". The tastes of users are different and hence, their ignore list.

You can't compare default trust list with default ignore list. Those are basically two different things except both are "default".

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May 16, 2015, 04:17:34 PM
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So if someone was on the DefaultIgnore list, they'd essentially be shadowbanned right? No one would see their expanded posts (by default), and they won't necessarily know it.

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May 16, 2015, 04:20:01 PM
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@redsn0w: My Default Ignore list will make what I'm currently doing irrelevant.
You, being on Level 2 Default Ignore, will quickly spot my shenanigans, and add my username to the Default Ignore List.
Problem solved.

It's easy to criticize, gentlemen, but which one of you is willing to propose a better solution?



Your proposal is not better than the actual system, however I am not saying the actual is 'good' but..... In any case the 'ignore' is a subjective and personal thing and a default ignore list is not really necessary (in my honest opinion).
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May 16, 2015, 04:27:29 PM
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I don't like this feature. There shouldn't be a "default ignore list". The tastes of users are different and hence, their ignore list.

You can't compare default trust list with default ignore list. Those are basically two different things except both are "default".

How so? Just like Default trust, Default Ignore is not mandatory & can be simply altered through account settings panel. It's simply a suggestion, like Default Trust, something to help new users.

@dogie re. "No one would see their expanded posts (by default), and they won't necessarily know it."

Sure, just like Default Trust. Where do you see a difference?

@redsn0w re. "the 'ignore' is a subjective and personal thing and a default ignore list is not really necessary"

No more subjective than Default Trust, and far less dangerous. The system will punish the Level 1 and Level 2 users who unjustly or needlessly add names to the Default List. They won't last too long on Level 1 or Level 2.
Just Like Default Trust.
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May 16, 2015, 04:30:43 PM
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You are free to post your ignore list, as many other users have done. I'd  appreciate if we had a way to massively ignore people by just copy-pasting their usernames in a field actually. Right now I'm ignoring certain trolls when I stumble upon them and sharing the created list is a bit hard.

But I don't think that ignore lists should be public (unless one would like to share his own publicly) for the simple reason that they can be personal.
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May 16, 2015, 04:36:22 PM
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You are free to post your ignore list, as many other users have done. I'd  appreciate if we had a way to massively ignore people by just copy-pasting their usernames in a field actually. Right now I'm ignoring certain trolls when I stumble upon them and sharing the created list is a bit hard.

But I don't think that ignore lists should be public (unless one would like to share his own publicly) for the simple reason that they can be personal.

You misunderstand my proposal. The Default Ignore List will be enabled by default when a new user joins this forum. Just like Default Trust is enabled, by default, when a new user joins the forum. By default.

According to your logic, people could also just post their Trust Lists, yet that's not how the Default Trust works.
We're here to protect new users.
You don't want newbies to start with an empty trust list, do you?
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May 16, 2015, 04:37:27 PM
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I don't like this feature. There shouldn't be a "default ignore list". The tastes of users are different and hence, their ignore list.

You can't compare default trust list with default ignore list. Those are basically two different things except both are "default".

@dogie re. "No one would see their expanded posts (by default), and they won't necessarily know it."

Sure, just like Default Trust. Where do you see a difference?

The major function of a forum is to post, this would inhibit that. Trading/trusting another user is not the major function of the forum.


You are free to post your ignore list, as many other users have done. I'd  appreciate if we had a way to massively ignore people by just copy-pasting their usernames in a field actually. Right now I'm ignoring certain trolls when I stumble upon them and sharing the created list is a bit hard.

But I don't think that ignore lists should be public (unless one would like to share his own publicly) for the simple reason that they can be personal.

You can bulk edit here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;sa=ignprefs

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May 16, 2015, 04:38:48 PM
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You are free to post your ignore list, as many other users have done. I'd  appreciate if we had a way to massively ignore people by just copy-pasting their usernames in a field actually. Right now I'm ignoring certain trolls when I stumble upon them and sharing the created list is a bit hard.

But I don't think that ignore lists should be public (unless one would like to share his own publicly) for the simple reason that they can be personal.

You misunderstand my proposal. The Default Ignore List will be enabled by default when a new user joins this forum. Just like Default Trust is enabled, by default, when a new user joins the forum. By default.

According to your logic, people could also just post their Trust Lists, yet that's not how the Default Trust works.
We're here to protect new users.
You don't want newbies to start with an empty trust list, do you?

What is the purpose of the default ignore list? Protect some users to read bullshit? It is really an useless "request". C'mon, again : the ignore function is a personal thing the Trust is another thing.
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May 16, 2015, 04:44:22 PM
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I don't like this feature. There shouldn't be a "default ignore list". The tastes of users are different and hence, their ignore list.

You can't compare default trust list with default ignore list. Those are basically two different things except both are "default".

@dogie re. "No one would see their expanded posts (by default), and they won't necessarily know it."

Sure, just like Default Trust. Where do you see a difference?

The major function of a forum is to post, this would inhibit that. Trading/trusting another user is not the major function of the forum.

The major function of this forum was once the exchange of bitcoin information. This is no longer so.
The forum is being used to profit from posting--either on a small scale, through signature ads and account farming, or on a grander scale, through selling bitcointalk accounts, hacked accounts, warez, ponzis, scamming, etc., etc.

This (the fact that this forum is about information sharing) is the reason Default Trust was implemented. If you feel Default Trust aids in sharing ideas about Bitcoin, please explain how.

@redsn0w: What is the purpose of the Default Trust system? The Default Ignore system will, at least, make the forum readable again, by eliminating all the spam posted by account farmers & signature ad post bumpers, which currently constitute more than 90% of the content here.
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May 16, 2015, 04:52:25 PM
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This has to be a Satire on default trust, right?  Surely everyone can see the ridiculousness of the proposed default ignore list.  But I think the OPs point is to compare this to the situation with default trust.

For some reason, we expect people to manage their own ignore lists, essentially you have to opt-in to start creating an ingore list.  But with trust, it's an opt-out system, where you get the default trust settings, along with the alarmist warnings ("...EXTREME CAUTION..."), unless you learn how to opt-out.

I think the satire is clever and I wish it would lead to a more careful consideration of the opt-out nature of default trust as it stands.
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@redsn0w: What is the purpose of the Default Trust system? The Default Ignore system will, at least, make the forum readable again, by eliminating all the spam posted by account farmers & signature ad post bumpers, which currently constitute more than 90% of the content here.

But you will 'leave' the work to mods... if there will be a default ignore list what will be the work for the staff? If no one will read & report those posts? I do not think it constitute the 90% , but more than 95% of the whole content here in the forum. This is why the mods exist, to delete and ban the users (and this function is useless).

The purpose the defaultTrust system /list is to help the newbie users (I have copied this concept written by someone else).


PS: now I think it is the time to reveal what is your main account.
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May 16, 2015, 05:15:11 PM
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^does that help?
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You are free to post your ignore list, as many other users have done. I'd  appreciate if we had a way to massively ignore people by just copy-pasting their usernames in a field actually. Right now I'm ignoring certain trolls when I stumble upon them and sharing the created list is a bit hard.

But I don't think that ignore lists should be public (unless one would like to share his own publicly) for the simple reason that they can be personal.

You misunderstand my proposal. The Default Ignore List will be enabled by default when a new user joins this forum. Just like Default Trust is enabled, by default, when a new user joins the forum. By default.

According to your logic, people could also just post their Trust Lists, yet that's not how the Default Trust works.
We're here to protect new users.
You don't want newbies to start with an empty trust list, do you?

I totally understand your proposal and disagree. I replied with what I would consider reasonable. I wouldn't want a default ignore list forced on me in any way, I wouldn't want a ignore list forced on anyone that creates an account here. IMO ignore lists should be personalised and kept private unless someone want to share his.
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What I find hilarious about this thread is that this is already effectively implemented with "trust exclusions", and if some one on the default trust excludes you and gets a buddy to do it with them then you no longer ever get to be on the default trust, therefore ignoring you by default regardless of your actual trust ratings. The funny part is not that, but the fact that a lot of people here shitting on this idea were also supporters of using trust exclusions. When Theymos says it, its automatically gold. When some random guy says it, its shit. Oh BCT.


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