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September 08, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
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Mining could still be useful, in order to maintain a decentralized structure, even without creating new coins.

Bencoin was my attempt at answering this question.  It works, but wasn't particularly successful.  It requires at least intermittent internet access.  That was pre-multisig, though.  And I didn't put much thought into the idea of trying to make it decentralized.  I should probably think about it some and re-visit it.

Towncoin was a similar proposal.  Though, I can't really claim to understand it, and I have never seen a working implementation.

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September 08, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
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Honestly I think the simplest solution would be to use physical bitcoins in this case.

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October 29, 2012, 11:14:56 PM
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Mining could still be useful, in order to maintain a decentralized structure, even without creating new coins.

Even without new coins you get the double spend factor that makes mining the original chain unreliable.

Someone spends the same coins inside the desert town and outside in the main world, this would not be noticed until someone takes the coins from the desert town to the main world. When reorganizing the coins from the desert town on to the main chain all coins that where double spend would disappear.

Bencoin seems to have the double spend covered (but centralized ugh), not to sure about Towncoin ...

Interesting question idd Grin

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October 29, 2012, 11:17:20 PM
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Mining could still be useful, in order to maintain a decentralized structure, even without creating new coins.

Even without new coins you get the double spend factor.

Someone spends the same coins inside the desert town and outside in the main world, this would not be noticed until someone takes the coins from the desert town to the main world. When reorganizing the coins from the desert town on to the main chain all coins that where double spend would disappear.

Bencoin seems to have the double spend covered (but centralized ugh), not to sure about Towncoin ...

Interesting question idd Grin
I think the town should just have it's own local coin.  That would make the most sense, IMO.  No risk of double-spending, no need to "sync up" with a huge outside network that has little or no bearing on the local economy, and a simple Towncoin<>BTC exchange could take care of making sure it has value of some sort.
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October 29, 2012, 11:24:35 PM
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Mining could still be useful, in order to maintain a decentralized structure, even without creating new coins.

Even without new coins you get the double spend factor.

Someone spends the same coins inside the desert town and outside in the main world, this would not be noticed until someone takes the coins from the desert town to the main world. When reorganizing the coins from the desert town on to the main chain all coins that where double spend would disappear.

Bencoin seems to have the double spend covered (but centralized ugh), not to sure about Towncoin ...

Interesting question idd Grin
I think the town should just have it's own local coin.  That would make the most sense, IMO.  No risk of double-spending, no need to "sync up" with a huge outside network that has little or no bearing on the local economy, and a simple Towncoin<>BTC exchange could take care of making sure it has value of some sort.

I agree  Wink

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December 27, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
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OK, revise the question - if the connection to the rest of the world was spotty, say, once a week, instead of non-existent, how would that change things?

My reason for asking this is I am developing a product for deployment in the Third World that Bitcoin is a great fit for, but it must be able to function with only intermittent access to the blockchain and support 50-100 users.

The local Bitcoin network could transfer between local users just fine with intermittent and spotty Internet access, but mining locally would not only be futile, it could even be counterproductive if the locally 'mined' block rewards were to start circulating and intermixing with the existing coins.  This would literally take months at the hashrate locals would be able to maintain, and likely be reset every time that the Internet connection was reestablished for any significant period of time, but mining should not be attempted in this scenario, even if it made economic sense.  A regular modem call, even an international one lasting hours, would be cheaper and less resource intensive than mining locally; and be much more productive towards the goal of facilitating local transactions.  The bandwidth requirements to maintain an isolated section of the network, so long as it is not trying to mine, does not scale with the number of local nodes or transactions.  Also, bitcoin doesn't really need a live connection, if the goal is simply to keep the local network's blockchain as up to date as possible.  The occasional snail-mailed USB drive has more than enough bandwidth, and bitcoin doesn't mind the high latency.

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December 28, 2012, 03:49:04 AM
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 Sounds like a great place where you thinking, BTC value on the island would skyrocket.

 
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