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May 17, 2015, 05:05:22 AM
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Is Washington Coming To Its Senses? — Paul Craig Roberts

May 15, 2015


Paul Craig Roberts

There is much speculation about US Secretary of State John Kerry’s rush visit to Russia in the wake of Russia’s successful Victory Day celebration on May 9. On May 11, Kerry, who was snubbing Russia on the 9th, was on his way to Russia, and Putin consented to see him on May 12.

As time passes we will find out why Kerry was snubbing Putin on May 9 and 3 days later was criticizing Washington’s puppet regime in Ukraine. For what is known at this time, a possible explanation is that Washington is coming to its senses.

If you watched the 1 hour 20 minute video of the Victory Day Parade, you are aware that the celebration sent a powerful message. Russia is a first class military power, and Russia is backed by China and India, whose soldiers marched with Russia’s in the parade.

So, while the increasingly irrelevant West, absorbed in its own self-importance, snubbed
the celebration of the victory that the Red Army gave them over Hitler, the three largest countries in the world were present united. Russia has the largest land mass, and China and India, also large land masses, have the world’s largest populations.

The celebration in Moscow made it clear that Washington has failed miserably to isolate Russia. What Washington has done is to make the BRICS more unified.

With the President of China sitting at the right hand of Putin, the celebration also made it completely clear even to the morons in the Obama regime that Washington is no longer the Uni-power.

Consider now the impact on Washington’s vassal states in Europe, the crux of the American Empire. Europeans are aware that two of the most powerful military states in history did not survive their invasions of Russia. Napoleon lost the Grande Army in Russia, and Hitler lost the Wehrmacht in Russia. It has dawned on Europeans that they are being shoved into conflict with Russia in the interest of Washington’s claim to be the World Hegemon. Europeans are accustomed to obey Washington, but when it came to being forced into conflict with Russia, Europeans began to express dissent. Signs of an independent European foreign policy appeared with Merkel and Hollande’s meeting with Putin to resolve the Ukrainian crisis orchestrated by Washington.

Faced with the failure of its policy of isolating Russia and the emergence of an independent foreign policy in Europe, Washington sent Kerry as a supplicant to Putin to work out a way to de-escalate the Ukrainian crisis. Putin being a peacemaker will permit Washington to save face. But this will not please the neoconsevatives or the military/security complex. The former are invested heavily in claims of Amerika Uber Alles, and the latter are lusting for the abundant revenues from a new cold, or hot, war.

Obama, Kerry, and Cameron have to become magicians. They have to transition from demonizing Putin to working with him.

Having failed with force against Russia, the West is now employing seduction. If Western peoples hope to escape from the Police State that Washington has imposed on the entire Western World, we must pray that Putin does not fall for the seduction.

There is no world leadership in the West. There is only selfishness and hubris. Western “leadership” is exploitative. The West loots the non-West and is now turning on itself with its looting of Ireland and Greece, with Italy, Spain, and Portugal the next targets for looting. The American public itself has been looted of its jobs, career aspirations, and civil liberties.

The Western model of “democratic capitalism” turns out to be neither democratic nor capitalist, but a form of fascism ruled by an oligarchy. The United States is where regime change is most badly needed.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/05/15/washington-coming-senses-paul-craig-roberts/

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May 17, 2015, 05:38:24 AM
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Is Washington Coming To Its Senses? — Paul Craig Roberts

May 15, 2015


Paul Craig Roberts

There is much speculation about US Secretary of State John Kerry’s rush visit to Russia in the wake of Russia’s successful Victory Day celebration on May 9. On May 11, Kerry, who was snubbing Russia on the 9th, was on his way to Russia, and Putin consented to see him on May 12.

As time passes we will find out why Kerry was snubbing Putin on May 9 and 3 days later was criticizing Washington’s puppet regime in Ukraine. For what is known at this time, a possible explanation is that Washington is coming to its senses.

If you watched the 1 hour 20 minute video of the Victory Day Parade, you are aware that the celebration sent a powerful message. Russia is a first class military power, and Russia is backed by China and India, whose soldiers marched with Russia’s in the parade.

So, while the increasingly irrelevant West, absorbed in its own self-importance, snubbed
the celebration of the victory that the Red Army gave them over Hitler, the three largest countries in the world were present united. Russia has the largest land mass, and China and India, also large land masses, have the world’s largest populations.

The celebration in Moscow made it clear that Washington has failed miserably to isolate Russia. What Washington has done is to make the BRICS more unified.

With the President of China sitting at the right hand of Putin, the celebration also made it completely clear even to the morons in the Obama regime that Washington is no longer the Uni-power.

Consider now the impact on Washington’s vassal states in Europe, the crux of the American Empire. Europeans are aware that two of the most powerful military states in history did not survive their invasions of Russia. Napoleon lost the Grande Army in Russia, and Hitler lost the Wehrmacht in Russia. It has dawned on Europeans that they are being shoved into conflict with Russia in the interest of Washington’s claim to be the World Hegemon. Europeans are accustomed to obey Washington, but when it came to being forced into conflict with Russia, Europeans began to express dissent. Signs of an independent European foreign policy appeared with Merkel and Hollande’s meeting with Putin to resolve the Ukrainian crisis orchestrated by Washington.

Faced with the failure of its policy of isolating Russia and the emergence of an independent foreign policy in Europe, Washington sent Kerry as a supplicant to Putin to work out a way to de-escalate the Ukrainian crisis. Putin being a peacemaker will permit Washington to save face. But this will not please the neoconsevatives or the military/security complex. The former are invested heavily in claims of Amerika Uber Alles, and the latter are lusting for the abundant revenues from a new cold, or hot, war.

Obama, Kerry, and Cameron have to become magicians. They have to transition from demonizing Putin to working with him.

Having failed with force against Russia, the West is now employing seduction. If Western peoples hope to escape from the Police State that Washington has imposed on the entire Western World, we must pray that Putin does not fall for the seduction.

There is no world leadership in the West. There is only selfishness and hubris. Western “leadership” is exploitative. The West loots the non-West and is now turning on itself with its looting of Ireland and Greece, with Italy, Spain, and Portugal the next targets for looting. The American public itself has been looted of its jobs, career aspirations, and civil liberties.

The Western model of “democratic capitalism” turns out to be neither democratic nor capitalist, but a form of fascism ruled by an oligarchy. The United States is where regime change is most badly needed.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/05/15/washington-coming-senses-paul-craig-roberts/


I'm sure that there are plenty of bloody dictatorships that would be more than happy to have obama be their president.

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May 17, 2015, 07:31:05 AM
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Russia is a first class military power, and Russia is backed by China and India, whose soldiers marched with Russia’s in the parade.

You mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tMvBFgnmY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQgKxIvHQSg

Russia biggest military trump are nukes, other then that its difficult to say which "class" it is.

So, while the increasingly irrelevant West, absorbed in its own self-importance, snubbed
the celebration of the victory that the Red Army gave them over Hitler,

It was Stalin who helped Hitler in the first place. Read Army would fail without USA help. In WW2 there where other nations fighting with Hitler, Poles, Baltic Countries, Norway, Yugoslavia, Australia, Czechoslovakia and many others.

the three largest countries in the world were present united. Russia has the largest land mass, and China and India, also large land masses, have the world’s largest populations.

You forgot to mention that in the pas years Kim Jong Un was on Russian parade but decided not to be this year.

Consider now the impact on Washington’s vassal states in Europe, the crux of the American Empire. Europeans are aware that two of the most powerful military states in history did not survive their invasions of Russia. Napoleon lost the Grande Army in Russia, and Hitler lost the Wehrmacht in Russia. It has dawned on Europeans that they are being shoved into conflict with Russia in the interest of Washington’s claim to be the World Hegemon. Europeans are accustomed to obey Washington, but when it came to being forced into conflict with Russia, Europeans began to express dissent. Signs of an independent European foreign policy appeared with Merkel and Hollande’s meeting with Putin to resolve the Ukrainian crisis orchestrated by Washington.

After WW2 almost half of Europe was under influence of Russia but somehow today countries like Lithuania Latvia Poland Czech Republic Slovakia Hungary Romania Yugoslavia Bulgaria are quite happy without Soviet Union.
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May 17, 2015, 07:39:27 AM
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It was Stalin who helped Hitler in the first place. Read Army would fail without USA help. In WW2 there where other nations fighting with Hitler, Poles, Baltic Countries, Norway, Yugoslavia, Australia, Czechoslovakia and many others.

If Stalin helped Hitler, then the Americans also did the same. Shameless people trying to take credit for someone else's efforts. Soviet Union fought Hitler for 5 years, and sacrificed 27 million of its citizens. The Americans started fighting only after it was clear that the Nazis are going to be defeated, and joined the Allies only to get a fair share of the post-war loot.
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May 17, 2015, 07:43:32 AM
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The tank clearly was on breaks due to a driver error, thats why the other tank was unable to pull it, does not make the parade any less classy. Russia + China + India = Rip America
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May 17, 2015, 08:37:36 AM
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It was Stalin who helped Hitler in the first place. Read Army would fail without USA help. In WW2 there where other nations fighting with Hitler, Poles, Baltic Countries, Norway, Yugoslavia, Australia, Czechoslovakia and many others.

If Stalin helped Hitler, then the Americans also did the same. Shameless people trying to take credit for someone else's efforts. Soviet Union fought Hitler for 5 years, and sacrificed 27 million of its citizens. The Americans started fighting only after it was clear that the Nazis are going to be defeated, and joined the Allies only to get a fair share of the post-war loot.

At the begging it was Stalin who helped Hitler conquer Poland. Later Hitler attacked Soviet Union so Stalin had to fight him, so its quite different to USA.
Also Americans were giving supplies to Soviet Union before it was certain Nazi would fail
http://www.viktory.5317shkid.edusite.ru/p4aa1.html




The tank clearly was on breaks due to a driver error, thats why the other tank was unable to pull it, does not make the parade any less classy. Russia + China + India = Rip America

China is playing for herself, now its convenient for them to partnership with Russia but if they feel it would be better to leave her thy would do so.
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May 17, 2015, 09:05:15 AM
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At the begging it was Stalin who helped Hitler conquer Poland. Later Hitler attacked Soviet Union so Stalin had to fight him, so its quite different to USA. Also Americans were giving supplies to Soviet Union before it was certain Nazi would fail

Stalin and Hitler decided to divide Poland in to two, with the Germans taking the Western portion. This at least helped to save the lives of millions of Poles in the Eastern Poland. The decision by Hitler to attack Stalin ultimately led to his downfall. If the USSR had remained neutral in the war, the Nazis would have conquered all of Western Europe, including the United Kingdom. And giving a few hundred trucks and armored personnel carriers is much different from putting actual soldiers to the battle. Without the soldiers, what you are going to do with the equipment?
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At the begging it was Stalin who helped Hitler conquer Poland. Later Hitler attacked Soviet Union so Stalin had to fight him, so its quite different to USA. Also Americans were giving supplies to Soviet Union before it was certain Nazi would fail

Stalin and Hitler decided to divide Poland in to two, with the Germans taking the Western portion. This at least helped to save the lives of millions of Poles in the Eastern Poland. The decision by Hitler to attack Stalin ultimately led to his downfall. If the USSR had remained neutral in the war, the Nazis would have conquered all of Western Europe, including the United Kingdom. And giving a few hundred trucks and armored personnel carriers is much different from putting actual soldiers to the battle. Without the soldiers, what you are going to do with the equipment?

Don't make me laugh, Stalin attacked Poles from other side when they were defending from Hitler. Stalin attack on Poland was not to save lives of Poles but to slay them and deport to Siberia to let them die in gulags
http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/ai141_folder/141_articles/141_sadikhli_siberia.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536325/Stalin-DID-order-execution-3-500-Polish-soldiers-according-new-testimony-U-S-officer-watched-Nazis-exhume-bodies.html

As for the equipment, if US wouldn't help Stalin Soviet Union would fall.
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As for the equipment, if US wouldn't help Stalin Soviet Union would fall.

Yeah.. spread your lies. Without a few hundred trucks from the US, the Soviet Union might have even surrendered to the Nazis. Lack of equipment was never an issue for the Soviets. And regarding the execution of Polish officers, I don't give much importance to testimonies from US officers. They have been proven to be serial liers. 
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At the begging it was Stalin who helped Hitler conquer Poland.
At the beginning it was Poland who helped Hitler to conquer and divide Czechoslovakia. Nice try, liar.
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As for the equipment, if US wouldn't help Stalin Soviet Union would fall.

Yeah.. spread your lies. Without a few hundred trucks from the US, the Soviet Union might have even surrendered to the Nazis. Lack of equipment was never an issue for the Soviets. And regarding the execution of Polish officers, I don't give much importance to testimonies from US officers. They have been proven to be serial liers. 

Germans, Americans, British, France, almost every country except for Russia have acknowledged that Soviet Union is responsible for Katyn , yeah lies.

As for equipment, if $11.3 billion worth of supplies is a small issue then...wow.   Just few hundred trucks is not all that US give to Soviet Union.
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As for equipment, if $11.3 billion worth of supplies is a small issue then...wow.   Just few hundred trucks is not all that US give to Soviet Union.

If they were so eager to defeat the Nazis, then they should have sent some "real" soldiers to fight them rather than waiting till the end. Equipment was never an issue in the WW2. The number of soldiers was all that mattered. With some extra 5 or 6 million soldiers from the USA, the Nazis would have been defeated much earlier than 1945, and tens of millions of lives would have been saved.
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As for equipment, if $11.3 billion worth of supplies is a small issue then...wow.   Just few hundred trucks is not all that US give to Soviet Union.

If they were so eager to defeat the Nazis, then they should have sent some "real" soldiers to fight them rather than waiting till the end. Equipment was never an issue in the WW2. The number of soldiers was all that mattered. With some extra 5 or 6 million soldiers from the USA, the Nazis would have been defeated much earlier than 1945, and tens of millions of lives would have been saved.

Yes, throw empty handed soldier on tanks and machine-guns and let them fight (in fact that exactly what Stalin did with Red Army).
And if Stalin had helped Poland instead of invading her, then WW2  wouldn't even happen. So please don't write that USA is responsible for Nazi conquering Europe. No offence <^.^>
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Yes, throw empty handed soldier on tanks and machine-guns and let them fight (in fact that exactly what Stalin did with Red Army).
And if Stalin had helped Poland instead of invading her, then WW2  wouldn't even happen. So please don't write that USA is responsible for Nazi conquering Europe. No offence <^.^>

The Soviets had the largest force of tanks in all of Europe at that time. So please read some history books before making silly arguments (No offence <^.^>). And why should the Soviets help Poland? Poland had antagonized them years earlier, by indulging in various provocations. The Soviets were right in not helping the Poles.
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May 17, 2015, 04:25:45 PM
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Demonstration of Russian technology:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32763724

American start-up SpaceX is doing better. For much less money, too.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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Demonstration of Russian technology:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32763724

American start-up SpaceX is doing better. For much less money, too.

Looks like Putin is compensating for something with that rocket  Wink
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May 17, 2015, 04:46:58 PM
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and you all believe this is 'real' not something that has been discussed prior ??

todays world of politics revolves around the businesses that  control the politicians and the people who control the money supply of large nations (which in most cases if you look carefully are not the nations leaders)

 it is a big show

getting mad at obama , bush, putin, or any of these people is like being mad at Brad Pitt for burning the other guys hand in fight club and being a general dick.

Brad Pitt was doing what was written in the script and following the directions of the director on the set.


These politicians mentioned, Kerry, Putin , Obama,  consider them in a similar role.............. puppets

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Yes, throw empty handed soldier on tanks and machine-guns and let them fight (in fact that exactly what Stalin did with Red Army).
And if Stalin had helped Poland instead of invading her, then WW2  wouldn't even happen. So please don't write that USA is responsible for Nazi conquering Europe. No offence <^.^>

The Soviets had the largest force of tanks in all of Europe at that time. So please read some history books before making silly arguments (No offence <^.^>). And why should the Soviets help Poland? Poland had antagonized them years earlier, by indulging in various provocations. The Soviets were right in not helping the Poles.

Tanks yes but rifles, machine guns, even pistols were missed. Many Soviet soldiers had to first get weapons on enemy, then they could fight with guns.
And why should US help Soviets?  You just answered it yourself but they helped anyway, so don't write that it didn't made a difference.  (No offence <^.^>)
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May 18, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
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The OP is right on but most ordinary people out there would think that by getting rid of Obama then the regime would be changed, officially. Aside from Rand getting elected, the next republican or Hillary would continue on the same path. The foreign policy advisers that most of these candidates use are from certain think tanks in and around DC. They've been recycled for decades and you get the same people showing up in democratic and republican regimes and that why things keep going along w/ no major policy changes. Interventionism is the main foreign policy.
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