[June 10th, 2015] Ponzis Explained w/ Analysis & Ratings

[thebenjamincode]

hi can you please give a review about mmmglobal.org?

[Gantz]

thankyou for making this thread, is really helpfull..

i hope u updated daily and expand to other site its hundred site like them in this section,,

Thanks, yes i'm seeing, every day thare are many new sites!

Btw when I have time I will publish more analysis, ratings and will update the existing ones.

and i dont understand about gatz? what is it?

It's a changeable global vote that include my wish to join at the last update, basically a site can be rated 7/10 at the start and only 1/10 when I think that he will die soon.

[agustina2]

oo i see, gantz is your username, LOL i dont see it at first my bad..

all best of yours.. Cheers

[Gantz]

Then this https://blockchain.info/address/1MZjMKya7BczKeaNVxygxzBMb1PvvoXSQf is the address where In&Out transactions converge?

Seems so...

Btw I really would see In&Out transactions for every player/bet in the queue in home, this should give to the system a good level of trasparency.

Like Dice sites, this game is also played from site wallet, i.e. off-chain. This enables us to earn referral commission, which is not possible on blockchain based games. Hence each bet can not be represented by blockchain Tx. In fact, the operator clearly stated that on www.crazyponzi.com/proof.php.

Following are list of withdrawals from site wallet to player's addresses. These are different from the returned amount in the game. There are days when no player requested for a withdrawal.

Suggestion: I think you should sort your list in the decreasing order of Gantz rating in OP.

I understand, something can change, will see.

About your suggestion, I will think about it! Thanks

hi can you please give a review about mmmglobal.org?

Ok, it will be the next! Probably today later.

[ahmed04]

Bitone.pw go to scammer

[Gantz]

Added Ratings:



MMMGlobal.org

https://i.imgur.com/tgB8lzw.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: LONG Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 120-200% Monthly Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 1/10

 Considerations:
 Hybrid chain letter/ponzi, not trasparent system and primarily no stats at all. This makes really hard understand in which status is the system, and their very slow earning system should discourage to join.



Dr-Bitcoin.com

https://i.imgur.com/zaUO6ju.jpg

Transparency: 0 /10 Potential Longevity: MEDIUM Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 2,6-3,6% Daily Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 3/10

 Considerations:
 They want big fishes, see their plans. In fact I considered only the dailys, other plans are just insanely high. Not transparent, can be easily manipulated. Potential longevity is compromised due to possibility to run away after that some big fish join. Their effort in the project can be considered a good thing.

 Updates:
 19/5/15 Potential Longevity from SHORT to MEDIUM
 19/5/15 Concept from https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png to https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png
 19/5/15 Gantz Rating from 1 to 3
 Reason: After a little discussion in this thread I agreed that their effort into the project can be considered a good thing. Also a signal that they don't go away so quckly.

[xiionqz]

for the potential longevity, what is it based on?

[supermoney]

I'm not against you and I don't own dr-bitcoin.com but I don't agree with your conclusions regards to Dr. Bitcoin.
You didn't even mention they are using custom script, unique template, registered a company, bought EV SSL certificate, bought BlackLotus DDoS protected server, bought many monitors already etc.
We don't know if it is a Ponzi scheme but this is actually paying for 38 days and I didn't see any complaint till now!
Now I seriously started to think that you have something to do with CrazyPonzi somehow because, being a HYIP investor since 2011, I can't accept to see a program who already invested AT LEAST $5,000 receiving such low rating. Well, it's your thread I know but the problem is that you are discouraging potential investors to take part in these big projects.
IMHO CrazyPonzi is a dead program from the day one because nobody cares of these "Ponzi games" anymore, this trend is out-of-date-guys. They might be profitable at start for first investors/players but then they all become mousetraps, where you have to pay off yourself (giving to admin X% of your deposited amount everytime) to be able to "save yourself". I don't see any big investment made from CrazyJoker, and the even worse no advertising! (free and paid, both)

When you look at a new HYIP, two are things you need to look at: admin's investment and concept.

UPDATE: added some info.

[Gantz]

for the potential longevity, what is it based on?

Sustainability of the system.

I'm not against you and I don't own dr-bitcoin.com but I don't agree with your conclusions regards to Dr. Bitcoin.
You didn't even mention they are using custom script, unique template, registered a company, bought EV SSL certificate, bought BlackLotus DDoS protected server, bought many monitors already etc.
We don't know if it is a Ponzi scheme but this is actually paying for 38 days and I didn't see any complaint till now!
Now I seriously started to think that you have something to do with CrazyPonzi somehow because, being a HYIP investor since 2011, I can't accept to see a program who already invested AT LEAST $5,000 receiving such low rating. Well, it's your thread I know but the problem is that you are discouraging potential investors to take part in these big projects.

When you look at a new HYIP, two are things you need to look at: admin's investment and concept.

I can understand your point of view, but if some big fish join? What happens? And their concept seems made to do it. Also their "Top Investors" list on the website can be easily fake. However yes, probably they deserves a better rating.

This thread was born mostly for this! Discuss!

One question: Would you join Dr-Bitcoin now?* Btw thanks for your opinion.

*Edit

[supermoney]

for the potential longevity, what is it based on?

Sustainability of the system.

I'm not against you and I don't own dr-bitcoin.com but I don't agree with your conclusions regards to Dr. Bitcoin.
You didn't even mention they are using custom script, unique template, registered a company, bought EV SSL certificate, bought BlackLotus DDoS protected server, bought many monitors already etc.
We don't know if it is a Ponzi scheme but this is actually paying for 38 days and I didn't see any complaint till now!
Now I seriously started to think that you have something to do with CrazyPonzi somehow because, being a HYIP investor since 2011, I can't accept to see a program who already invested AT LEAST $5,000 receiving such low rating. Well, it's your thread I know but the problem is that you are discouraging potential investors to take part in these big projects.

When you look at a new HYIP, two are things you need to look at: admin's investment and concept.

I can understand your point of view, but if some big fish join? What happens? And their concept seems made to do it. Also their "Top Investors" list on the website can be easily fake. However yes, probably they deserves a better rating.

This thread was born mostly for this! Discuss!

One question: Would you join Dr-Bitcoin now?* Btw thanks for your opinion.

*Edit

HYIPs are profitable only for clever investors, those with enough knowledge to know that should never invest in the plans that seem "too good to be true".
All those programs usually use same popular scripts which are based on E-Wallets (Perfect Money, Payeer, EgoPay etc.), so tell me how they can prove deposits are true? No way to do so if not doing a screenshot of their account balances, but even these may be fake.
Regards to withdrawals you can verify yourself on HYIP monitors, forums related to HYIPs, social networks and so on. There are always investors shouting their payouts, and this is good for both parts (program and investors).
Usually admins skip the big fishes (= scam) because they would harm their beloved program, imagine one entering with $5,000 and then leaving the program with $7,000... No way!
But who would listen to an idiot shouting SCAM saying he had lost thousands of dollars? No one!
Hopefully we still have honest admins returning back the deposits to their respective owners, since they aren't able to handle such amounts. Actually, there's a HYIP called Cryptoconomist which is paying big fishes with no efforts, you would say it's unbelievable but one of my skilled friends already invested $1,000 there and he's now reached ROI.
For some reasons I wouldn't invest more than $500 in Dr. Bitcoin, obviously in first plan only  

[clipman77]

cryptohours.com - Attention, do not invest, payments stopped coming, I did not come Bitcoin

[RocketSingh]

hi can you please give a review about mmmglobal.org?

If you want to know more about this, watch : www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks4iuGOx0TU  

Search: Sergey Mavrodi

[andolini82]

For  OP, why not update everyday? So many of member here can know about theirs investment. I think alot high rank member here will help u about condition for any investment site that ur posted here..

[Gantz]

cryptohours.com - Attention, do not invest, payments stopped coming, I did not come Bitcoin

What a surprise!

Thanks for your report.

For  OP, why not update everyday? So many of member here can know about theirs investment. I think alot high rank member here will help u about condition for any investment site that ur posted here..

Hi, I'm trying to make at least 2 Ratings per day and keep updated all the others, it's not easy but I will do my best.

Guys you can help a lot if you reported here when "something happens" , for example when some site stops to pay or a new site comes out.

[Gantz]

Added Ratings:



Nine9.ninja

https://i.imgur.com/V93S2bB.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: ∞ Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 0-125% No Time Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 4/10

 Considerations:
 Hybrid ponzi/gambling game, deposits/bets expires and game continues, actually queue is short. This game is totally trasparent, all stats, transactions and addresses are public.



PerfectProfit.biz

https://i.imgur.com/I5LEScD.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 10% Daily Forever Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 3/10

 Considerations:
 Classic HYIP system, actually in early stage, 10% Daily forever makes this system a short-term investment, maybe very short. The real question is: "How long it can run?" My prediction is 7 -13 days, but it's hard to predict.




What do you think about?

[supermoney]

I would like to correct you, its name is PERFECTPROFIT.BIZ (not perfectponzi)
perfeprofit.biz - GC licensed
domain registrar - enom
SSL - Comodo's PositiveSSL certificate
monitors - ZERO ADVERTISING

Admin's investment is too low, probably around $300, and program's concept is now out of date.
Now please focus on the investment made for this HYIP: template in use is probably old and looks like to be for a fast scam, their advertising is very very low in fact admin didn't even promoted on HYIP forums (very weird). Last thing, they got only 0.5 BTC and that's not good. This is very high risky program.

[Gantz]

I would like to correct you, its name is PERFECTPROFIT.BIZ (not perfectponzi)

Oh thanks! :S

Admin's investment is too low, probably around $300, and program's concept is now out of date.
Now please focus on the investment made for this HYIP: template in use is probably old and looks like to be for a fast scam, their advertising is very very low in fact admin didn't even promoted on HYIP forums (very weird). Last thing, they got only 0.5 BTC and that's not good. This is very high risky program.

I agree, this system should be advertised also (mostly) on HYIP forums, this can help us to understand that this onwer, probably, is a noobish one.



Btw, just for who is interested, yesterday I found this interesting discussion about Dr-Bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ok0vu/drbitcoincom_grow_your_bitcoin_up_to_8_per_month/ *

*EDIT

[supermoney]

I would like to correct you, its name is PERFECTPROFIT.BIZ (not perfectponzi)

Oh thanks! :S

Admin's investment is too low, probably around $300, and program's concept is now out of date.
Now please focus on the investment made for this HYIP: template in use is probably old and looks like to be for a fast scam, their advertising is very very low in fact admin didn't even promoted on HYIP forums (very weird). Last thing, they got only 0.5 BTC and that's not good. This is very high risky program.

I agree, this system should be advertised also (mostly) on HYIP forums, this can help us to understand that this onwer, probably, is a noobish one.

Newbie or professional (I doubt it) he's seeking for fast money 

[Gantz]

Added Ratings:



btc-goldmine.com

https://i.imgur.com/3tsQ6ku.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 250% in 10 Days Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 2/10

 Considerations:
 Tricky HYIP, design is really cool and attractive, but basically it's just a short term HYIP, probably very short. Be careful. People can login in other accounts and withdraw instead of the owner, what they need is just the BTC address.



multiply-bitcoins.eu

https://i.imgur.com/vKeHk2i.jpg

Transparency: 0 /10 Potential Longevity: VERY SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 200% in 1, 2 or 3 Days Risk: EXTREMELY HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 0/10

 Considerations:
 Probaly an attempt of Collect & Run Away, full of fake transactions. Stay away.



StableBit.biz

https://i.imgur.com/baTz4Ag.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 1% until 200/220/240% Risk: MEDIUM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 5/10

 Considerations:
 Hourly HYIP, actually in early stage, can be profitable for early investors. Probably just for one cycle.



Hourly-coin.com

https://i.imgur.com/nOOy6sa.jpg

Transparency: 0 /10 Potential Longevity: MEDIUM Concept: 0 /10 Plan: 101% in 1 Hour Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 0/10

 Considerations:
 Poor concept and, in my opinion, risk my btc for 1% it's not safe.



Updates:

EdgeCoin.com

21/05/2015 Risk: from HIGH to VERY HIGH
21/05/2015 Gantz Rating from 3 to 1
Reason It seems slowly dying, insufficient communication from owner, possible missing payouts.


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Complete List: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064400.msg11408481#msg11408481

[supermoney]

stablebit.biz - GC licensed
domain registrar - enom
DDoS - KoDDos
SSL - Comodo's PositiveSSL certificate
IP - 7 HYIPs hosted on 198.144.120.65
monitors - ZERO ADVERTISING

Admin's investment is low-mid, probably around $700.