[June 10th, 2015] Ponzis Explained w/ Analysis & Ratings

[Gantz]

Hi all and Welcome to Ponzis Explained w/ Analysis & Ratings!


INTRODUCTION

What is this!?
This is a weekly analitic thread about ponzis and HYIPs running on this subforum. Where i will try to rate them as neutral as possible, even better if your help.

Why do you do this!?
Basically because I like share my thought processes and my experience about them (crypto versions, not real money ones). And also to help the newbies to fall in obvious scams. (neither a ponzi, just a "collect&runaway")

Oh ok...But who are you!?
I'm a long time lurker of this subforum, and yes... sometimes, very rarely, I have invested on them.

Why are you wasting your time with them? They're all scams!
Yes and No, Yes because 99% of the time they haven't a real business behind them or owners runs away quickly with all funds, and No because even if they haven't a real business behind them, some ponzi/HYIP (not all) can be profitable if you exploit it and understand how it works. I consider these just a gambling game with a potential good edge.

Ok, after this little introduction we can start!


WEEKLY TOPICS

#1 Trasparency: Why is the most important factor to be considered before make an "investment".

The system's trasparency is very important, and in my experience the first thing to look, for trasparency I mean:

- If website description is true (we make financial investements...NO, we are a ponzi...OK);
- If website stats are all showed and public (balance, total investment, total paid, all in&out transactions and not just last 100 for example) and this is the "key" to understand if join the system or not;
- If the system is manipulated (fake transactions are the most important indicator of very risky website, and also the most common practice used).

#2 Longevity: It's extremely important knowing how to estimate how much can HYIPs runs. Factors to be considered:

- How many days did it start?
- Their offers/plans are too high?
- How much effort they were put into their project?
- There is a good general interest in the project?
- The owner has already had other projects? How he behaved in the past?


WEEKLY TIPS

#1 Never be greedy, one good investment can be much better than ten bad investments, be patient, wait an opportunity... and push!

#2 Stay informed, learn to identify owners, they can change nick but not their habits and sometimes even if the system seems good to invest, the greediness of the owner brings to close the project prematurely.


RATINGS *Updated to June 10th, 2015 - All ratings can change in the future.

Risk: It's referred to the actual risk to join the system on last update.
Gantz Rating: It's a changeable global vote that include my wish to join at the last update, basically a site can be rated 7/10 at the start and only 1/10 when I think that he will die soon.



ACTIVE SYSTEMS

URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
Nine9.ninja	10/10	INFINITE	7/10	0-125% No Time	HIGH	4/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Hybrid ponzi/gambling game, deposits/bets expires and game continues, actually queue is short. This game is totally trasparent, all stats, transactions and addresses are public.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
CrazyPonzi.com	1/10	INFINITE	7/10	0-140% No Time	HIGH	3/10

CONSIDERATIONS: This can be considered more a betting game than a ponzi, if fact this can continue indefinitely, bets expires and game continues. They don't publish deposit and payout transactions, this game can be easily manipulated.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
cherryRace.com	0/10	MEDIUM	4/10	4% Daily	HIGH	1/10

CONSIDERATIONS: There is no trasparency at all. Their concept could be attractive, but it's just a normal HYIP. Stats on homepage are not updated.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
Dr-Bitcoin.com	0/10	MEDIUM	4/10	2,6-3,6% Daily	HIGH	1/10

CONSIDERATIONS: They want big fishes, see their plans. In fact I considered only the dailys, other plans are just insanely high. Not transparent, can be easily manipulated. Potential longevity is compromised due to possibility to run away after that some big fish join. Their effort in the project can be considered a good thing.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
MMMGlobal.org	1/10	LONG	1/10	120-200% Monthly	HIGH	1/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Hybrid chain letter/ponzi, not trasparent system and primarily no stats at all. This makes really hard understand in which status is the system, and their very slow earning system should discourage to join.

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DEAD SYSTEMS

URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
ProfitCoins.org	0/10	SHORT	1/10	8-15% Daily	EXTR. HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Payments stopped, stay away.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
HkbIncome.com	0/10	VERY SHORT	1/10	25-50% Daily	VERY HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Very short HYIP, that because their plans are offering very high returns, be careful.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
btc-goldmine.com	2/10	VERY SHORT	3/10	250% in 10 Days	VERY HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Tricky HYIP, design is really cool and attractive, but basically it's just a short term HYIP, probably very short. Be careful. People can login in other accounts and withdraw instead of the owner, what they need is just the BTC address.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
StableBit.biz	5/10	SHORT	4/10	1% until 200/220/240%	EXTR. HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Payments stopped, stay away. Greedy owner.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
CryptoHours.com	1/10	VERY SHORT	3/10	2% Hourly, 200%Max	EXTR. HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Payments stopped, stay away.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
EdgeCoin.com	1/10	SHORT	3/10	5% Daily	EXTR. HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Payments stopped, stay away.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
Bit-Protect.com	4/10	MEDIUM	3/10	Multiplan	HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Hybrid real money/crypto HYIP, investement plans not totally clear, try them on calculator, actually in early game. System is early dead. Greedy owner.

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URL	TRASPARENCY	POTENTIAL LONGEVITY	CONCEPT	PLAN	RISK	GANTZ RATING
LucreBit.com	2/10	SHORT	2/10	10-20% Daily	VERY HIGH	0/10

CONSIDERATIONS: Not much trasparency, system actually in late game, probably it's too late to invest. System Dead.

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If you want another rating ask in this thread, when i have time I will update this post or will be posted in the next week thread!


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IMPORTANT: I can be easily wrong, what i'm saying here it's not the absolute truth!

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[supermoney]

HYIP monitor like.
What can I say? I like the idea of a bitcointalk monitor 

[ahmed04]

I want you to always update thread

[no141]

I like this, are you going to keep it up? By the title and first post usage, I'm thinking you are going to make a new thread for each week. I hope not, as I will not be able to find it then.

Keep up the good work! Hopefully you can figure out a better format here so each two don't look so much together.

[rychallenge]

how do we know these people don't pay for these review
you are not trusted, no one should trust this list !!!

[Gantz]

Some problems, this post is crazy formatted.  

how do we know these people don't pay for these review
you are not trusted, no one should trust this list !!!

They are just my opnions and my thought processes. And I like share them and discuss with you all about it.
I haven't made it for money. And I think that if I will be "corrupted" should be easy exploitable.

[Gantz]

I like this, are you going to keep it up? By the title and first post usage, I'm thinking you are going to make a new thread for each week. I hope not, as I will not be able to find it then.

Keep up the good work! Hopefully you can figure out a better format here so each two don't look so much together.

The idea was that, a thread every week and current systems will be all updated on the newest thread.

Btw your suggestion is very interesting. I can update just this thread...mmmm should be better!

Thanks!

[Gantz]

Rating Update:

 CryptoHours.com

https://i.imgur.com/SIkuzbD.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 2% Hourly, 200% max Risk: VERY HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 1/10

 Considerations:
 Lack of trasparency is a very big leak. This seems the classical short term ponzi where only super early investors can make a profit.

 Updates:
 18/5/15 Gantz Rating from 3 to 1
 18/5/15 Risk from HIGH to VERY HIGH
 Reason: In just 2 days they have raised maximum from 0.25 to 2.50, this can be a strong indicator of a greedy collecting attempt, the end may come soon.

[Gantz]

Rating Update:

CrazyPonzi.com

https://i.imgur.com/ZgfUiFG.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: ∞ Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 0 or 140% after 120 hours Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 3/10

 Considerations:
 This can be considered more a betting game than a ponzi, if fact this can continue indefinitely, bets expires and game continues.

 Updates:
 18/5/15 Trasparency from https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png to https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png
 18/5/15 Gantz Rating from 5 to 3
 Reason: They don't publish deposit and payout transactions, this game can be easily manipulated. If owner is honest as he claims,
 why don't publish them? Judge for yourself.

[Gantz]

Added Ratings:

ProfitCoins.org

https://i.imgur.com/DlOu6z6.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 8-15% Daily Risk: EXTREMELY HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 0/10

 Considerations:
 Probably already dead, website ultra buggy, no trasparency, stay away.



InvestBTC.eu

https://i.imgur.com/7RP9TkP.jpg

Transparency: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Potential Longevity: SHORT Concept: https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png /10 Plan: 110-175% after 12-46 hours Risk: HIGH - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -                 Gantz Rating: 2/10

 Considerations:
 Owner is "friend" of BitOne.pw's owner, I think this is enough to understand that invest on this website is very risky, website is completely in html then probably he can't manage many txs, but paradoxically this give to the website more trasparency, in fact you can see deposit addresses and their balance.

[Gantz]

RATINGS UPDATE:

CryptoHours.com

19/5/15 Gantz Rating from 1 to 0
19/5/15 Risk from HIGH to EXTREMELY HIGH
Reason: In just 3 days they have raised maximum from 0.25 to 5.00, this can be a strong indicator of a greedy collecting attempt, dead soon.

LucreBit.com DEAD


See the original post for complete ratings.


QUESTION: Hey guys, what do you think if I add "Status" item in my ratings? Status can be EARLY, MID or LATE, this should
represent which moment we are in the life of the system.

Do you like it?

[CryptoHours]

Why is CryptoHours 0/10 and considered "short"?
I've put a lot of time and effort providing quality support for our investors, and we are a soon to be registered company. We only chose the look we have as it is familiar and comfortable for investors.
We are completely transparent, we provide as much information as we can and all addresses are public on the blockchain.
Maximums raise in regard to how much profit we make per day, it has nothing to do with collecting as much as we can or we would just set it to unlimited.

From what it seems, you are a HYIP owner yourself and you are rating sites you own highly and your competition 0/10.

[Gantz]

Why is CryptoHours 0/10 and considered "short"?

Man, be serious. Your ponzi is offering 48% daily.

I've put a lot of time and effort providing quality support for our investors, and we are a soon to be registered company. We only chose the look we have as it is familiar and comfortable for investors.

Sure...with a 48% daily profit business you will be soon the Earth Emperor!

We are completely transparent, we provide as much information as we can and all addresses are public on the blockchain.
Maximums raise in regard to how much profit we make per day, it has nothing to do with collecting as much as we can or we would just set it to unlimited.

You are not "completely transparent", if you want to be so, publish all transactions in&out, total deposited, total paid and balance.

From what it seems, you are a HYIP owner yourself and you are rating sites you own highly and your competition 0/10.

Sure... And which HYIP or Ponzi I have? Man, my maximum Rating is 5/10.


Btw time will tell us who is telling the truth.  

[supermoney]

Why is CryptoHours 0/10 and considered "short"?
I've put a lot of time and effort providing quality support for our investors, and we are a soon to be registered company. We only chose the look we have as it is familiar and comfortable for investors.
We are completely transparent, we provide as much information as we can and all addresses are public on the blockchain.
Maximums raise in regard to how much profit we make per day, it has nothing to do with collecting as much as we can or we would just set it to unlimited.

From what it seems, you are a HYIP owner yourself and you are rating sites you own highly and your competition 0/10.

Unfortunately real HYIP investor don't join cryptohours like programs, it means you are going to have a lack of investors sooner or later, you are probably wondering why?
Easy mate, most of your investors mainly come from bitcointalk only. We also know that programs like that don't run for over 1 month max (because is totally unsustainable), it means that investors when will be in profit won't reinvest any cent... It's not safe for them.
The concept was good months ago but now, and you already ran many Ponzi schemes like this. Stop it now and code something original because you can't steal all bitcointalk user's money  
With the software you have in your hands you can create better and bigger things  
HIGH RISK APPROVED.

[CryptoHours]

Why is CryptoHours 0/10 and considered "short"?

Man, be serious. Your ponzi is offering 48% daily.

I've put a lot of time and effort providing quality support for our investors, and we are a soon to be registered company. We only chose the look we have as it is familiar and comfortable for investors.

Sure...with a 48% daily profit business you will be soon the Earth Emperor!

We are completely transparent, we provide as much information as we can and all addresses are public on the blockchain.
Maximums raise in regard to how much profit we make per day, it has nothing to do with collecting as much as we can or we would just set it to unlimited.

You are not "completely transparent", if you want to be so, publish total deposited, total paid and balance.

From what it seems, you are a HYIP owner yourself and you are rating sites you own highly and your competition 0/10.

Sure... And which HYIP or Ponzi I have? Man, my maximum Rating is 5/10.


Btw time will tell us who is telling the truth.  

48% of your initial deposit....
It takes 2 days and 2 hours to earn just your original deposit back and then another 2 days and 2 hours for your profit.
You are reading it wrong.
The fact you rated us 1/10 annoys me as we have paid over 13,500 times, and have not missed a single payment. Right now over 15BTC has been paid and only 9BTC has been invested. That means 6BTC has just come out of no where? No, this is our profit from trading.
No, we cannot be emperor of the earth. It is easier to make $1 than it is $10000. There is a point where earning gets harder. The max we will accept is 10BTC if the profit goes that high in the future.
Stop assuming and stop accusing. This thread is junk and promotes scams. You are one of the hyip owners, because if you weren't you would post from a reputable and reliable BCT account. You did not just join this forum and do such a good deed for the community there is a reason behind it.

[RussianRaibow]

Gantz Rating: 3/10

 Updates:
 18/5/15 Trasparency from to
 18/5/15 Gantz Rating from 5 to 3
 Reason: They don't publish deposit and payout transactions, this game can be easily manipulated. If owner is honest as he claims,
 why don't publish them? Judge for yourself.

They have made a few upgrades in their website and now withdrawals are open for anyone to verify - www.crazyponzi.com/proof.php.

[Gantz]

48% of your initial deposit....
It takes 2 days and 2 hours to earn just your original deposit back and then another 2 days and 2 hours for your profit.
You are reading it wrong.

Man, 2% hourly = 48% daily.

The fact you rated us 1/10 annoys me as we have paid over 13,500 times, and have not missed a single payment.

You are wrong, I rated you 0/10 atm, btw this vote (as explained in the first post) "It's a global vote that include my wish to join". For example if i had rated it at the start this vote would be more high. Your system WAS a really good opportunity in the early stage.

Unfortunately real HYIP investor don't join cryptohours like programs, it means you are going to have a lack of investors sooner or later, you are probably wondering why?
Easy mate, most of your investors mainly come from bitcointalk only. We also know that programs like that don't run for over 1 month max (because is totally unsustainable), it means that investors when will be in profit won't reinvest any cent... It's not safe for them.

Exactly.

[Gantz]

Gantz Rating: 3/10

 Updates:
 18/5/15 Trasparency from https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png to https://i.imgur.com/L0LMqxa.png
 18/5/15 Gantz Rating from 5 to 3
 Reason: They don't publish deposit and payout transactions, this game can be easily manipulated. If owner is honest as he claims,
 why don't publish them? Judge for yourself.

They have made a few upgrades in their website and now withdrawals are open for anyone to verify - www.crazyponzi.com/proof.php.

Then this https://blockchain.info/address/1MZjMKya7BczKeaNVxygxzBMb1PvvoXSQf is the address where In&Out transactions converge?

Btw I really would see In&Out transactions for every player/bet in the queue in home, this should give to the system a good level of trasparency.

[RussianRaibow]

Then this https://blockchain.info/address/1MZjMKya7BczKeaNVxygxzBMb1PvvoXSQf is the address where In&Out transactions converge?

Seems so...

Btw I really would see In&Out transactions for every player/bet in the queue in home, this should give to the system a good level of trasparency.

Like Dice sites, this game is also played from site wallet, i.e. off-chain. This enables us to earn referral commission, which is not possible on blockchain based games. Hence each bet can not be represented by blockchain Tx. In fact, the operator clearly stated that on www.crazyponzi.com/proof.php.

Following are list of withdrawals from site wallet to player's addresses. These are different from the returned amount in the game. There are days when no player requested for a withdrawal.

Suggestion: I think you should sort your list in the decreasing order of Gantz rating in OP.

[agustina2]

thankyou for making this thread, is really helpfull..

i hope u updated daily and expand to other site its hundred site like them in this section,,

and i dont understand about gatz? what is it?