92 year old WWII veteran kills intruder with rifle

[Bitware]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-92-year-old-kills-intruder-20120905,0,1703793.story

bravo... just ... bravo Sir!

[myrkul]

Nice.

"I’m a military man -- I ain’t going to dial somebody and have to wait for an hour while the guy shoots me in the face and is gone," he told a reporter. "Time is of the [essence]."

[drakedog]

A War War II veteran

o.o

[myrkul]

A War War II veteran

o.o

Yes, a few of them are still around.

[Bitware]

Nice.

"I’m a military man -- I ain’t going to dial somebody and have to wait for an hour while the guy shoots me in the face and is gone," he told a reporter. "Time is of the [essence]."

when seconds count the police are only minites away.

[dissipate]

Nice.

"I’m a military man -- I ain’t going to dial somebody and have to wait for an hour while the guy shoots me in the face and is gone," he told a reporter. "Time is of the [essence]."

when seconds count the police are only minites away.

Minutes? More like hours, if you can even get a hold of them. Often times you just get busy signals.

[conspirosphere.tk]

U ain't see nuthin:
A 66 Year Old Texan Vic Stacey Puts Four 357 Magnum Pistol Rounds into a Killer Rifleman at 165 Yards 
http://vaticproject.blogspot.it/2012/09/citizen-shooter-saves-officer-with.html

[Gabi]

Nice job!

[layyen]

nice shot 

[Littleshop]

Nice.

"I’m a military man -- I ain’t going to dial somebody and have to wait for an hour while the guy shoots me in the face and is gone," he told a reporter. "Time is of the [essence]."

when seconds count the police are only minites away.

When you have only 5 seconds you need this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8NYF7Mz4i90#!

[Bitware]

Nice.

"I’m a military man -- I ain’t going to dial somebody and have to wait for an hour while the guy shoots me in the face and is gone," he told a reporter. "Time is of the [essence]."

when seconds count the police are only minites away.

When you have only 5 seconds you need this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8NYF7Mz4i90#!

It is illegal for criminals to possess or use guns.

This video does not make any sense to me.

sarcasm aside, yea this is a guy you want on your team.

[fornit]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-92-year-old-kills-intruder-20120905,0,1703793.story

bravo... just ... bravo Sir!

what exactly do you applaud?

from what i gather from the linked articles, it was very likely an intentional killing solely for the protection of his property. he didnt determine if the robber was armed nor did he give any warning before shooting to kill. since he was 92y old one can argue in his defense that his options are very limited and anything but the most radical reaction might have endangered himself.
if however, that is not the case, killing someone to prevent a moderately severe crime, is immoral imho, especially if you have less radical options, like wound or apprehend the criminal.
at best its acceptable, but certainly nothing to compliment somebody on or be thrilled about. after all, its still a situation where someone got killed.

[Bitware]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-92-year-old-kills-intruder-20120905,0,1703793.story

bravo... just ... bravo Sir!

what exactly do you applaud?

from what i gather from the linked articles, it was very likely an intentional killing solely for the protection of his property. he didnt determine if the robber was armed nor did he give any warning before shooting to kill. since he was 92y old one can argue in his defense that his options are very limited and anything but the most radical reaction might have endangered himself.
if however, that is not the case, killing someone to prevent a moderately severe crime, is immoral imho, especially if you have less radical options, like wound or apprehend the criminal.
at best its acceptable, but certainly nothing to compliment somebody on or be thrilled about. after all, its still a situation where someone got killed.

If I lived near this man I would have already been there to shake his hand and buy him a beer.

Violent criminals need to die, especially those with the bravado to break into someone elses home.

That threat of death is a powerful motivator to stay straight.

Death is also a great corrections tool. He certainly will never do it again.

There is nothing immoral about a killing in defense, who means you harm.

[fornit]

If I lived near this man I would have already been there to shake his hand and buy him a beer.

be careful to shake his hand very gently though...

That threat of death is a powerful motivator to stay straight.

Death is also a great corrections tool. He certainly will never do it again.

you ever wondered why all those socialist european countries without capital punishment and much harsher rules regarding the slaying of your fellow citizens have so much lower crime rates? (to put a number to that, the usa has around 7 times the per capita prison population of europe)

Violent criminals need to die, especially those with the bravado to break into someone elses home.

There is nothing immoral about a killing in defense, who means you harm.

defense of what? your life, your house, your favorite coffee cup?
for me, the list of things valuable enough to kill for is rather short. for you, obviously not.
i also rather live in a country that doesnt behead you for a parking violation.

[hashman]

defense of what? your life, your house, your favorite coffee cup?
for me, the list of things valuable enough to kill for is rather short. for you, obviously not.

The point is, after someone has forced their way into your home, are you prepared to deal with the consequences of not defending yourself with deadly force?

Yeah, the door is open.  Help yourself to a beer from the fridge. 

What do you suggest? Discussion? "Hello sir, are you here to kill me and my loved ones, or just take my stuff?"

I'm sorry, I just don't understand the need for leniency against someone who is willing to force their way into someone's home.

I saw some guys who forced their way into my town.  Discussion was out of the question.  Some other guys forced their way onto the street.  Took care of them pretty quick I tell ya.  They were seriously within like 200 yards of my wife.  What am I supposed to go out and ask them if there's a long range rifle under the coat?     

Seriously though, I've had strangers in my home on many occasions, and also been robbed of some small goods on a couple of occasions.  Never was I tempted to use violent force, and life went on with no big trouble.  Just sayin'   

[fornit]

The point is, after someone has forced their way into your home, are you prepared to deal with the consequences of not defending yourself with deadly force? Are you willing to risk your families' lives hoping the guy is only a robber? By the time you find out, it may already be too late.

I'm not a mind reader. If someone forced their way into my home, my first priority is the protection of my family. I have no idea whether the individual who forced his way into my home is there to steal my coffee mug or rape and kill my family.

What do you suggest? Discussion? "Hello sir, are you here to kill me and my loved ones, or just take my stuff?"

I'm sorry, I just don't understand the need for leniency against someone who is willing to force their way into someone's home.

No, I would not kill someone over a TV, or microwave oven. But I have no way of knowing why someone just forced their way into my home, so I'm not taking any chances.

he shot to kill the moment he saw the burglar. he didnt take a second to determine if the guy was armed. he didnt fire a warning shot or try to incapacitate him. afterwards he knew there was likely someone dying in his basement and didnt even bother to call the police.
how exactly is that still self defense?
and even in a case of self defense, killing an ordinary burglar isnt something to celebrate. its not like he just stopped hannibal lecter...

[Bitware]

you ever wondered why all those socialist european countries without capital punishment and much harsher rules regarding the slaying of your fellow citizens have so much lower crime rates?

Nope never gave it a thought. Dont really care. This has nothing to do with law enforcement nor the judicial system, and shows an increase in crime - thus the desperate need for more citizens to buy guns. This has to do with a species of life defending themselves from the aggressive acts of others whos only intent is to cause them death, descruction, harm, or loss. If you take the time to enquire which, and to what degree, you deserve it all.

defense of what? your life, your house, your favorite coffee cup?
for me, the list of things valuable enough to kill for is rather short. for you, obviously not.
i also rather live in a country that doesnt behead you for a parking violation.

The home is all inclusive. Family and loved ones, various assets, property, and most certainly my favorite coffee cup... not cup of coffee.

This has absolutely nothing to do with statute/criminal law, enforcement, or penalties.

Its  a big ole bear protecting the den, cubs, and feeding grounds. Its a skunk spraying when threatened. Its a rattlesnake biting a predator. It protecting and defending whats yours. I can accept if you know nothing of this, if you have not worked and traded blood, sweat, tears, and time for anything you value, and created a home and a family you value.

Most criminals bank on citizens and home owners not being armed. Its conditioning. If they break into your home, they are fair game, and the police didnt stop them. They react. If you dont instantly react, you risk the harm or death of someone you love. For me, that is not problem to kill someone else to save a loved one,property, assets, or self, because they all mean the survival of my bloodline. I have no problem killing and field dressing big game. A predatorial intruder is no different.

If you allow yourself hesitation, you may have just aided in the murder of your kids, wife, mother, father.

[hashman]

The home is all inclusive. Family and loved ones, various assets, property, and most certainly my favorite coffee cup... not cup of coffee.

This has absolutely nothing to do with statute/criminal law, enforcement, or penalties.

Its  a big ole bear protecting the den, cubs, and feeding grounds. Its a skunk spraying when threatened. Its a rattlesnake biting a predator. It protecting and defending whats yours. I can accept if you know nothing of this, if you have not worked and traded blood, sweat, tears, and time for anything you value, and created a home and a family you value.

Most criminals bank on citizens and home owners not being armed. Its conditioning. If they break into your home, they are fair game, and the police didnt stop them. They react. If you dont instantly react, you risk the harm or death of someone you love. For me, that is not problem to kill someone else to save a loved one,property, assets, or self, because they all mean the survival of my bloodline. I have no problem killing and field dressing big game. A predatorial intruder is no different.

If you allow yourself hesitation, you may have just aided in the murder of your kids, wife, mother, father.

You sir sadly come from an area that is lacking in social capital.

The symptoms of this are easy to see, total fear and distrust.  I'm guessing you are not going to stop and pick up any hitchhikers or help out a stranded traveller with some money for food.  Let me guess, you can't just go over to your neighbor's house anytime and look in their cupboard for flour if you are out.  Sorry to hear it.     

[payb.tc]

A War War II veteran

o.o

Yes, a few of them are still around.

o.o

[Bitware]

The home is all inclusive. Family and loved ones, various assets, property, and most certainly my favorite coffee cup... not cup of coffee.

This has absolutely nothing to do with statute/criminal law, enforcement, or penalties.

Its  a big ole bear protecting the den, cubs, and feeding grounds. Its a skunk spraying when threatened. Its a rattlesnake biting a predator. It protecting and defending whats yours. I can accept if you know nothing of this, if you have not worked and traded blood, sweat, tears, and time for anything you value, and created a home and a family you value.

Most criminals bank on citizens and home owners not being armed. Its conditioning. If they break into your home, they are fair game, and the police didnt stop them. They react. If you dont instantly react, you risk the harm or death of someone you love. For me, that is not problem to kill someone else to save a loved one,property, assets, or self, because they all mean the survival of my bloodline. I have no problem killing and field dressing big game. A predatorial intruder is no different.

If you allow yourself hesitation, you may have just aided in the murder of your kids, wife, mother, father.

You sir sadly come from an area that is lacking in social capital.

The symptoms of this are easy to see, total fear and distrust.  I'm guessing you are not going to stop and pick up any hitchhikers or help out a stranded traveller with some money for food.  Let me guess, you can't just go over to your neighbor's house anytime and look in their cupboard for flour if you are out.  Sorry to hear it.      

First, go look up what social capital means, comprehend the definition, then come tell me how THAT relates to an intruder forcing their way into my basement, kicking down my interior door, knowing that I am in there, and intending harm to anyone inside. Please be specific. Specificity is important when life and death is at stake.

I instantly fear and distrust an intruder forcing their way into my basement, kicking down my interior door, knowing that I am in there, and intending harm to anyone inside. Fear is not a bad thing. Much like pain, it serves as valuable warnings.

I do not pick up hitchers.

I do help out my fellow man... just not those who intend me harm or cause me loss.

I prepare and I take care of myself, my family, and my responsibilities. I do not depend on others to do it for me. I am not lazy or disabled. I dont want to feel beholding to anyone. Its no ones responsibility but mine to make sure my flour or sugar is full. That said, I would not be living here if my neighbors were bad. We get along quite well, although the one south of us, their son needs a bit more discipline in my opinion.