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Author Topic: Self-Driving Trucks Are Going to Hit Us Like a Human-Driven Truck  (Read 2028 times)
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May 19, 2015, 06:26:53 PM
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Autonomous vehicles are going to lay waste to employment of drivers very soon. As more and more jobs are eliminated by automation we are left with higher unemployment. If humanity doesn't evolve to the point where jobs are no longer a necessity for survival, we will soon find ourselves with a largely underemployed population with no means to support itself and no alternative plan to address this trend.

This is really the truth. I don't think necessarily that automation is a bad thing; in fact it's been very beneficial. But I do wonder if there's a point where the detriments overcome the benefits. There has to be a point where the displacement of so many workers drags the economy down, and where they cannot simply be reallocated to other sectors of the economy, either for lack of specific skills or lack of utility (in that there just isn't a need for so many workers anymore). That latter scenario is what is truly frightening.


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May 19, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
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For some reason I just think it's going to be a long time before these self-driving cars are safe to use. Maybe in the distant future where every car is automated but I think they're going to cause more accidents than humans.
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May 19, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
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I think that it will happen sometimes (self-driving hitting us), but I think it will happen less than with the human drivers.
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May 19, 2015, 07:18:32 PM
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I think that it will happen sometimes (self-driving hitting us), but I think it will happen less than with the human drivers.

I hope it never happens. If it does then it's going to open up a whole new world of legal pain. Who would be responsible? The GPS provider? The manufacturer of the car? The local authority if there was something wrong with the road surface? I wonder.




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May 19, 2015, 08:24:05 PM
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What makes you think that I want you to do anything, either leave this forum or not, or anything else for that matter?

Animals were given to people, by God, as property of people. While mankind is not supposed to intentionally torture animals, he also has the right to do with them as he wishes if he is their owner.

Now watch this. You want people to be under animals. Because you want this, you place yourself under the animals. And God has given you the right to do that if you really want.

God also has given people the authority over animals. So, the thing that you are doing is placing yourself under animals, under other people. Do you really want to be a slave to other people that badly, just like the animals are?

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@bold: Definitely it's a yes. I would love being an animal rather than a human. Humans rape, murder, rob and are selfish compared to animals who harm humans when they feel a danger.

You need to go back to school. Animals do all this stuff, as well. It's just that people are smarter in the ways that they go about it.

Be a slave if you want. But look it over in detail before you make your final decision. Check out the slavery that Islamic women are in, in the Middle East. Check out the slavery in Morocco, Western Sahara and Mauritania. Once you have a clear picture, come back and tell us that you want to be a slave of other people.

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May 19, 2015, 08:47:34 PM
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You need to go back to school. Animals do all this stuff, as well. It's just that people are smarter in the ways that they go about it.

Be a slave if you want. But look it over in detail before you make your final decision. Check out the slavery that Islamic women are in, in the Middle East. Check out the slavery in Morocco, Western Sahara and Mauritania. Once you have a clear picture, come back and tell us that you want to be a slave of other people.

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I am a Graduate and I haven't learnt to run down over animals in my school/college/university. Where did you learn this from?

In my country, killing animals is a crime and if you crush them down, you'll be arrested (most probably).

What has slavery got to do with this? You just asked me whose life is better and I said that of animals. It's humans to make make others slaves and not animals.

Anyways, this discussion is about self driving trucks and not about crushing down animals or being a slave.

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You need to go back to school. Animals do all this stuff, as well. It's just that people are smarter in the ways that they go about it.

Be a slave if you want. But look it over in detail before you make your final decision. Check out the slavery that Islamic women are in, in the Middle East. Check out the slavery in Morocco, Western Sahara and Mauritania. Once you have a clear picture, come back and tell us that you want to be a slave of other people.

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I am a Graduate and I haven't learnt to run down over animals in my school/college/university. Where did you learn this from?
I haven't learnt that you have learnt to run down over animals in your school/college/university. Why do you think that I have learnt this?


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In my country, killing animals is a crime and if you crush them down, you'll be arrested (most probably).
Different countries have different laws.


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What has slavery got to do with this? You just asked me whose life is better and I said that of animals. It's humans to make make others slaves and not animals.
Here's what. You said that you cared about animals more than people at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065213.msg11422085#msg11422085.
You are a people, so you care more about animals than yourself.
This virtually makes you a slave to animals, which are slaves to people.
This makes you a slave to other people, and you said it. Is that what you really want to be?


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Anyways, this discussion is about self driving trucks and not about crushing down animals or being a slave.

Will self driving trucks stop for animals in the road? Or will they crush them down?

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Here's what. You said that you cared about animals more than people at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065213.msg11422085#msg11422085.
You are a people, so you care more about animals than yourself.
This virtually makes you a slave to animals, which are slaves to people.
This makes you a slave to other people, and you said it. Is that what you really want to be?


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Anyways, this discussion is about self driving trucks and not about crushing down animals or being a slave.

Will self driving trucks stop for animals in the road? Or will they crush them down?

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Yeah I care more for animals than humans and I also said that if I need to save either animals or humans, I would try to save both. I wouldn't crush them down for a human nor would try to protect the goods in the truck like you said.

I don't get your logic about slaves again. Animals and children are innocent and when any crime takes place against them, it hurts me more than anything else.

Do you really want this poor animal to be crushed down to save your goods?



I believe that self driven cars would stop for animals and humans. They are error free just like computers don't make mistakes. These self driven cars would be safe and would reduce accidents.

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Here's what. You said that you cared about animals more than people at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065213.msg11422085#msg11422085.
You are a people, so you care more about animals than yourself.
This virtually makes you a slave to animals, which are slaves to people.
This makes you a slave to other people, and you said it. Is that what you really want to be?


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Anyways, this discussion is about self driving trucks and not about crushing down animals or being a slave.

Will self driving trucks stop for animals in the road? Or will they crush them down?

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Yeah I care more for animals than humans and I also said that if I need to save either animals or humans, I would try to save both. I wouldn't crush them down for a human nor would try to protect the goods in the truck like you said.

I don't get your logic about slaves again. Animals and children are innocent and when any crime takes place against them, it hurts me more than anything else.
Your idea that animals and children are innocent is an opinion that is not agreed upon by all people.

God placed people over animals in Genesis in the Bible. If you want to place yourself under animals, then you placed yourself under people as well. Slavery.


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Do you really want this poor animal to be crushed down to save your goods?



I believe that self driven cars would stop for animals and humans. They are error free just like computers don't make mistakes. These self driven cars would be safe and would reduce accidents.

Keep your pup out of the road, and likely it won't get crushed by self driving trucks.

Don't you care enough about your animals to keep them out of the road?

When are you going to start your school to teach the wild animals to stay out of the roads, or at least to look both ways first?

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May 19, 2015, 09:46:42 PM
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The world needs to progress and we need to move on. There were people who were against the use of computers as well as it would lead to unemployment and many other factors but still the world has accepted it as a positive change. Similarly self driven cars might help to reduce the number of accidents and would be safer for people to cross the roads.

If the autonomous car is faulty and kills people, who will you hold responsible? Onboard CPU?
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The world needs to progress and we need to move on. There were people who were against the use of computers as well as it would lead to unemployment and many other factors but still the world has accepted it as a positive change. Similarly self driven cars might help to reduce the number of accidents and would be safer for people to cross the roads.

If the autonomous car is faulty and kills people, who will you hold responsible? Onboard CPU?

This is the tough question. You might hold whomever in government who authorized their use liable. Hold him/her liable personally and collect off their bond.

You will need to sit down and find out who is behind it. And you will need to be sure that the autopilot wasn't tampered with by the individual owner.

I wonder how long it will take for insurance companies to decide that they will insure such vehicles. If they do, the insurance might make it prohibitive to own and drive, in the beginning.

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May 19, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
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BADecker,

government responsibility is out of question, no official will be held criminally accountable. Ever heard about officials being jailed, because they bought non-functional armament or accessory for their country?

Your idea is idealistic, though.
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singularity will come.

the only thing that can stop it is mass extiction or something around that line (asteroids aka global killer etc. pp.)

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May 19, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
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You only have to drive for about 10 minutes before you see someone doing something incredibly stupid behind the wheel of their car. And dont think road rage happens because someone is following the rules. road rage is all about some entitled dick head driving irresponsibly and getting frustrated with whomever might be in his way.

I don't really see how driver-less cars will be accepted. too many goons on the road who will refuse to conform.


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May 19, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
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Result: Shift in employable skills.  Think of all the engineers and lawyers that will be needed to clean up after these things..

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May 20, 2015, 01:46:18 AM
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Result: Shift in employable skills.  Think of all the engineers and lawyers that will be needed to clean up after these things..

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The first question is is the type of people who would be displaced by this technology the same type who could shift to being lawyers and engineers? (My guess is the overlap of would-be truck drivers who could also be engineers or lawyers is very small.) The second question, taking for granted that the answer to number one is that truck drivers and highly educated/trained professionals are very interchangeable, is at what point are there too many engineers and lawyers for them to be productively creating value for the economy?


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May 20, 2015, 02:31:10 AM
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BADecker,

government responsibility is out of question, no official will be held criminally accountable. Ever heard about officials being jailed, because they bought non-functional armament or accessory for their country?

Your idea is idealistic, though.

There are two kinds of court hearings, administrative, which is equity, and man to man, which is common law.

There have been a few instances reported in the news of administrative wins against government people. There have been quite a few judgments where people were awarded money for government officials doing wrong to them.

You will almost never hear in the news about a person winning a common law settlement. This is because government is interested only in administrative. That's what they do... administrate. Common law isn't part of what they do. Common law is what one human does against another human. The courts don't like being left out. So they don't report common law hearings except in the way that they want. One needs to seek the people out who were involved to see what went on in these hearings.

Listen to the audio recordings in the right column of http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html to hear about how to beat government people in court, beat the government in court, and beat the IRS in every way.  It isn't easy, partly because we watched Perry Mason for years, and a lot of Perry was administrative law.

Start now, learning, so that you are ready when it happens to you.

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May 20, 2015, 04:52:48 AM
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Yeah I care more for animals than humans and I also said that if I need to save either animals or humans, I would try to save both. I wouldn't crush them down for a human nor would try to protect the goods in the truck like you said.

I don't get your logic about slaves again. Animals and children are innocent and when any crime takes place against them, it hurts me more than anything else.

Do you really want this poor animal to be crushed down to save your goods?



I believe that self driven cars would stop for animals and humans. They are error free just like computers don't make mistakes. These self driven cars would be safe and would reduce accidents.

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May 20, 2015, 04:58:00 AM
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I'm just wondering if one day this self-driving trucks will be developed more and change human-driven truck, is there human who can drive a truck? Or if there is a self-driving cars in future, so will humans don't need to learn about how drive a car again? I'm curious  Grin
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May 20, 2015, 05:02:24 AM
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I'm just wondering if one day this self-driving trucks will be developed more and change human-driven truck, is there human who can drive a truck? Or if there is a self-driving cars in future, so will humans don't need to learn about how drive a car again? I'm curious  Grin

Could a human, despite its lack of a cockpit, man an unmanned aerial vehicle?

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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